Rise of the turtles is bad......Really bad
 

I just got both of the new tmnt DVDs and I realized something, Rise of the turtles is bad....Really bad. And here's why!
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I think the reason that most people like this episode is because it brought back Turtles, and we were so happy that a new show aired, we forgot to realize this episodes flaws. First of all, I'm talking mostly about PT1 of this episode.
Second, I found the turtles, besides Donatello, to be unbearable in this episode, Mikey was extremely annoying in this episode, and Raph is a bully (Although, he is for mostly all of the first part of season 1, But it's fixed later on.), Leo is boring, and Donatello is ignored for most of the episode.

Another reason why the episode is bad is the humor, it was the most cringeworthy of the entire season,
Leo: Come get me Stinkweed! *sticks out tongue and pulls down eye*

And the the dialogue is..Bleh.

Dose anyone else feel this way about this episode?

I watched a couple of weeks ago and it still holds up as one of the best of the season.

...............no :ohwell:

I watched it over 5 times on my i tunes and I still love it

Really? I could see for the first part of the season (episodes 1-11.) but pretty much anything after that beats it by miles.

The worst early ep is the Spiderbitez ep, and it has aged badly.

It was basically the first, "Turtles battle Kraang, then a new mutant," episode but without all the later twists of the eps that come later.

Spiderbitez is such a terrible character they didn't even bother to bring him back by the time the season ended.

And rise of the turtles part 2 wasn't?

1- Turtles break into Kraang base
2- Fight Snakeweed
3- ZOMG! HEZ ALIVE!!1!11

It's the same formula as Turtle Temper.

I think Turtle Temper struggled for a number of reasons:

- It rehashed the same Splinter origin story from Rise
- Mutant of the Week episode
- Did nothing with Shredder after the tease at the end of Rise

I've wondered if they should've switched Turtle Temper with New friend, Old Enemy but then they would've gotten 5 straight episodes without the Foot/ Shredder.

I think some of the early episodes were aired out of order.

But anyways, does anyone feel the same about this episode?

My preferred viewing order for the first chunk of season 1 is:

Rise of the Turtles
New Friend, Old Enemy
Metalhead
I Think His Name is Baxter Stockman
Turtle Temper
Never Say Xever
Monkey Brains
The Gauntlet

Switching the order doesn't really matter, Turtle Temper itself is a bad episode.

Its a shame because it was the first Raphael centered episode of the series too. If Spiderbitez returns in Season 2 they better find out some way to make him interesting. There's no reason for him to remain a villain either since he was just a normal 55 year old fat guy.

I liked Turtle Temper.

I liked it more than some other episodes...

I did find the humor in that one okay, better then Rise of the turtles.

I disagree, Rise Of the Turtles was a good episode, imo.

Rise of the turtles is one of the best episodes....

I do agree with you snakeweed. think it was just the hype of it that made it so good. Metelhead is still my fav ep so far.

I can't stand Metalhead only because it was the practically the only episode they aired during the December hiatus.

Am I the only one that liked Turtle Temper? The only part that was kinda so-so was repeating the Yoshi/Saki flashback but I still liked Splinter's story. For some reason I liked the whole part where he said 'I chose to let those words turn into weapons. That is the choice I made. What id the choice you'll make.'

As for Vic, I liked him. I like the 'kung fu frogs' line, I really like the 'oh, I didn't know you brought salad tongs' part. I don't know why but I really liked him trash talking Raphael. It was like Raph getting a taste of his own medicine.

Plus the whole arrow scene. It hasn't aged badly at all. It was a unique way to tackle Raph's temper without the same ol same Casey Jones story.

Ditto. It was rerunned into the ground. And then rerunned some more. And with my memory for useless trivia, I have it so well memorized by now, it bores the crap out of me. Which is a shame cause the episode is good and I like Metalhead.

to tell you the truth there isn't an episode I didn't like.

though the 2 that are my least favorite are mousers attack and TCRI.

I just got done watching it for probably the fourth or fifth time, and no, I still think it's awesome. The fight scene where Raph snares Leo's arm with the sai and lays him out in slow-mo is probably my favorite in the series so far.

Not at all. I like Rise of the Turtles and thought it was a great introduction to the Turtles and Splinter.

You're not alone, and thank you. I think the episode was great for the exact same reasons you did. I would think all the Raph haters would love it, since he gets such a dose of his own medicine.

As for Rise of the Turtles, I think it's awesome. Even now when the hype is down I can watch it and still enjoy the heck out of it.

I think the problem with Rise of the Turtles was that it was a little too comedy-focused and gave off the impressions that it was going to be another typical Nick comedy CG cartoon just for ratings. I honestly can't blame the topic creator for his complaints because these first 2 episodes and maybe even episodes 3-7 can give off that vibe to long time turtle fans. I know that RamboRaph4Life on YouTube dislikes the show due to the first impressions of the earlier episodes. I find that the 87 and 03 cartoon had a better start than this cartoon did. It's just one of those shows where the first few episodes are not going to pull you in and you'd have to watch more in order to see what it truly is.

Am I the only one who liked The Pulverizer and loved The Pulverizer Returns?

I think it was hard for a lot of old fans to appreciate the first episode of the Nick series, because of the 3D style. I was horrified to discover April's 3D design (I still don't like this round and childish face, and her hair looks like plastic). But after a few episodes, we get used to the 3D and start to appreciate the series for other qualities, I think.

It's not the first attempt. In the short special episodes of TMNT 2003, there is a scene like this with Splinter who asks Raph to do knitting, and Mikey provokes him to make him lose his selfcontrol (but Raph resists until the end!)



The sad thing is that Raph didn't learn anything in fact, in that "Turtle temper" episode. Because he is angry again in all the épisodes after that and doesn't try to control himself.

I don't see the anger in the current run. He has an attitude problem and still has his impulsiveness, but not so much of the anger issues we're used to.

Well, Splinter wanted him to control himself better, and think/talk instead of rushing, but he didn't learn anything. In the episodes that follow, he's the same as before the "lesson".

I'd like to see him a bit angry from time to time, not just during a fight. It lacked in the 2003 series, I wanted more development (why this anger? where does it come from? why him and not his brothers? etc) it could be cool.

no, you are wrong. it was not really bad it was actually really awesome. you are just complaining to complain and looking for flaws and being negative. they introduce all the main characters, the fight scenes are sweet (especially mike using his weapon) and the banter between the bros is funny and realistic at the same time. it sets the tone for the whole season. what would have made it not "really bad"???

I really like Rise of the Turtles...but then again there isn't an episode I didnt like. I like Turtle Temper...and Cockroach Terminator. So I'm weird I guess 8)

I don't know, in my opinion it was bad, I'm not saying others can't like it, it's just my opinion of the episode.

Totally. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Gotta disagree with you Snakeweed. This was an awesome opener.

Episodes I didn't like was Turtle Temper, found it rather boring. CochRoach Terminator wasn't very high on my list. (Again another Raph centric) Parasica was disapointing which made me said since it was a Mikey centric episode. Attack of the Mousers just made Mikey seem like he wasn't good for anything, but hey they still needed Donnie (only for his brain)

thats the reason I didn't like Mousers attack....the B team didn't get to show that they were valuable to the team....
Mikey just wanted to name things (as funny as that was)
and Don was over thinking his plans..........
.......and they ended up getting captured....

I wanted them to save Leo and Raph or something.

I think the Nick show needs to show more action from Mikey and Don.

Well, Leo and Raph would never have gotten the Mousers off of their tails without Donnie, so there's that at least, but yeah, it was a bit of a missed opportunity for Mikey. I still thought Mousers Attack was a fun episode, though.

Anyway, after getting through the whole season, I don't like Rise of the Turtles as much as I initially did, but I don't think it's a bad episode(s). It had it's flaws (the guys own a TV and still had never heard of pizza? really?), but I think it's a good introduction to the series. So while I can't say I personally agree with the OP, I don't really think it's one of the best episodes either, so I guess I'm somewhere in the middle.

And count me as one who really enjoys Turtle Temper. I never really understood all the hate it gets. I can see not liking rehashing the same flashback from the previous episode just with a different lesson (that was a tad odd), but otherwise I thought it worked pretty well. While I despise Spider Bytez design, I like Vic's dialogue with Raph, the fight scenes are fun, and the music is some of the best in the series so far in my opinion. Not to mention the scene with Raph, Spike, and Splinter leading up to the flashback has some great humor.

As for the argument that Raph doesn't actually learn anything in this episode, I would have to disagree, though I think I approach it differently than most people do. Sure, it was about controlling his anger, but more importantly it set up his trouble working as a team. Compare Raph in Turtle Temper to Raph in Baxter's Gambit, for example - in one he completely ignores Leo's orders in order to do what he wants, while in the other he not only follows Leo's order to work together with Xever, he does it when Leo isn't even around. The whole season has this really nice progression for Raph, starting with "doesn't care to follow Leo's orders and instead likes to give him a hard time" to "takes Leo's orders to heart even if he disagrees with him". Turtle Temper is an important stepping stone in that process, I think.

(...sorry, I ended up rambling a bit. Don't mind me.)

I wouldn't call it "Bad"; it was better than I expected it to be. I was fully expecting to not like this show until I saw it.

And I do like the show. But IMHO, it's overrated as F*CK right now, based on two things: It's better than most kids' shows right now, and the alternative is NO TMNT show. So "good" becomes "great", "just ok" becomes "good", and lame become "just ok". There's a lot of all of that going on in the series, yet "Great!" is all most people are saying. And I understand it; I just don't agree.

This was a good opener and one of the stronger episodes I've seen so far (Full Discolsure, haven't seen every episode; as much as I like the show, it's fairly low on my "Must-Watch" list right now, so I see it when I see it). But most of what I don't like was on full display right from the get-go, so no, it wasn't perfect, either.

Just because snakeweed or anyone else doesn't share the universal "it's all good" opinion doesn't mean they're outright trying to be negative or stir sh*t. Really, it's that people as a whole are really fond of hyperbole nowadays. Everything has to be "The Best or Worst Thing Ever" even if that's not what they're trying to say. I really hate that.

It's a good opener. It has to establish a lot of things and I think it pulled it off well. I still really love snakeweed's mutation -- it's like this little horror moment in the middle of an otherwise pretty lighthearted show. But the entire series has little bits like that, I really like it.

You can dissect Rise of the Turtles any number of ways, but if you view it strictly within the context of it being the first episode of an all-CGI action heavy kids show then I consider it exemplary!

I don't think the OP was being negative at all, and I can understand where he's coming from if that's the way he feels. I may not agree with him as I still get goosebumps when I watch the first episode, but I don't have a problem with him thinking it's bad in some respects.

That's the point of season openers, they don't need to be great. They just need to be good enough to reel you in. And remember how pessimistic and skeptical we were about this show before it aired. THIS was the episode that reeled us in and we've been hooked ever since.

I can see how in relative terms the 1st episode, but IMO, its one of the better episodes of the season, perhaps the series.

YES FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME!!! And gauntlet also is overrated the only good things was the final fight scene the rest of the ep is bad.