Anyone else like how this show handles Shredder?
 

This show handles Shredder the same way Superman the Animated series handled Darkseid. They used him sparingly but when he showed up, stuff got real. It makes Shredder such a credible/scary threat without having him get beat every episode like the 87 series where he really wasn't a threat.

Yes and no. On the begining of the show I was becoming a huge fan of nick's shredder. But when I saw Shredder being defeated by Splinter, and becoming so incompetent in taking down the turtles, it kinda turn me off.

I like the way he's used, but he does need a personality boost. Outside of being intimidating he really lacks of a well-defined personality compared to previous Shredder's.

you should blame his henchmen XD

Shredder could take out all the turtles if they were in a room with no escape.

Splinter won at the end but that fight was even up until that point. Splinter definitely wasn't dominating. And even at the end Shredder got the last hit in, so to speak, by revealing who Karai was and how he screwed Splinter over. And even then he was smart enough to know that he underestimated the turtles and went out to find reinforcements. He's in no way incompetent.

I'd like him more if he appeared more :ohwell:

That's what you say now, but if he appeared all the time it wouldn't seem as cool/special.

I'm with CyberCubed on this one, I really like him as he's very threatening and intimidating...but he does need some sort of personality outside of "must destroy the turtles and Splinter". Haven't seen Wormquake yet...waiting for it to air on TV, but I'm looking forward to seeing him again in that.

Yes, better than Utrom Shredder (well anything's better than that) tbh.

I like that there's shrouds of mystery around him, almost mystical and pretty much in control over everything.

OH I completely agree with that. Love the rivalry he has with Splinter. Perhaps the best rivalry of all the versions.

I think this Shredder is by far the most evil... him using Karai to get back at Splinter is just foul plus he treats her like crap... at leas Utrom Shredder did care about Karai...

So far he been despicable. I like to believe his relationship with Karai is other than him using her for revenge. She is also the daughter of the woman he loved.

This is pretty much my view of him.

Love him in this series. Totally agree with the Darkseid comparison. You know something big is going to happen when he appears. He sort of reminds me of the Beast Wars incarnation of Megatron as well as they're both schemers and manipulators. Shredder using Karai to get back at Splinter has a Mask of Zoro feel to me as well. I wasn't sure what my fiancé was talking about when she made that comparison so I had to watch that flick recently. Definitely something we haven't seen in the animated universes and I gotta say I'm loving it. Glad Shredder doesn't fight in every episode. I always get very excited whenever he decides to get his hands dirty. And Kevin Michael Richardson certainly steals the show whenever he's in an episode. Ironically, he also voiced Darkseid in the old Superman: Shadow of Apokolips videogame. I think it was the only time he portrayed the character.

Ditto
 

I agree with D19 and Cubed. He's a menacing and capable fighter, but he's also a bland, underdeveloped villain, and his personality is non existent. He has little motivation aside from kill the turtles/splinter. I seriously hope they fix this by the end of the season though.

I've noticed the similarities with the Mask of Zorro and I agree, but the villain in that Movie actually had depth and was aware of the terrible things he did.

Shredder's hobby is just "Destroy Splinter and the turtles." He just can't continue his life over killing his old friend in a relationship gone bad. :tgrumble: I think he needs a real job and a real life. He's just stalking Splinter.

Well... your wish is going to be granted... :twink:

It would be nice if Shredder grew a character, gotten some more traits then the urge to kill Splinter and the Turtles.

That Karai said that Shredder taught her the values of honor and that he basically was a single dad while running a crime empire, I hope he will mellow later on, maybe even stop hounding Splinter. Perhaps he gets some perspective when Karai leaves him after she unravels the truth. I'd love to see him reflect on the time as a dad raising the child of the one woman he loved that he was responsible of her death. I'm sure he blames Splinter, but deep inside there gotta be some doubt.

Yeah, I love it, but like others have stated, I'd like some more backstory (though I guess we have quite a bit through Splinter, but still---) SOMEthing that inspired him to be so..... crazy evil (but I love it) and I really like how this Shredder means business and isn't a joke, he is one scary dude.

You'd be surprised how crazy people get when there is a love interest involved. There are so many cases out there about people who become so jealous when the person they are interested in chooses someone else.

Truth. Crimes of passion. Still, I wonder if that is the only thing that has been fueling him-- I'm sure its his main thing, but it seems like he was already doing some pretty evil stuff before discovering that Yoshi was still alive. I guess I could see how that would fuel someone for years, over a decade-- still, though, guy needs some serious therapy. Get some cbt on that guy, stat! xD

Anytime I think of complicated love affairs, my mind always goes back to several years ago about that whole astronaut affair thing with NASA-- like, how could people that intelligent become so... so crazy. But I guess that's life. I've had a few crazy moments myself (not that bad, though! xD)

Dude that NASA thing, I'm still shaking my head over that one lol. Glad to hear your moments weren't as bad LOL.

They could do what they did in the 2003 series though, I always thought that series handled him just fine.

I like how they handle him because he honestly seems like a very legitimate threat. He was a legit threat in the 87 show also, as far as that he could hold his own in a fight, but in this show it feels like they wouldn't be afraid to "go there" as far as letting the Turtles get actually hurt by him. He reminds me of the first movie Shredder which is a totally awesome Shredder.

I think he's intriguing because how flawed he is. He's essentially responsible for the death of the woman he loves. But he doesn't want to acknowledge his fault in the deed, so he blames Hamato Yoshi for her death because if he didn't 'poison' her mind he (the Shredder) would have gotten Teng Shen and everyone would have lived happily ever after.

This Shredder reminds me of a character from Gargoyles named Demona. Demona was essentially responsible for the death of her entire clan.

However when she is confronted with the results of what she had caused she wants vengeance on all humanity for the death of clan. She made a deal with the captain of the guards who made a deal with the Vikings. The vikings could sack Castle Wyvern if the gargoyles were left alone. However the leader of the vikings smashes the Gargoyles as they sleep so when Damona wakes that night it is to find her clan destroyed.

Demona: I will have vengeance for the betrayal of my clan, vengeance for my pain.
Seline: But who betrayed your clan?
Luna: And who caused this pain?
Demona: The Vikings destroyed my clan.
Seline: Who betrayed the castle to the Vikings?
Demona: The Hunters hunted us down.
Phoebe: Who created the Hunter?
Demona: Canmore destroyed the last of us.
Selene: Who betrayed MacBeth to Canmore?
Goliath: Your thirst for vengeance has only created more sorrow.

So to Oroku Saki since he could not accept that Teng Shen loved Hamato Yoshi and not him. So he would harass Hamato Yoshi repeatedly accusing him of stealing the woman he felt rightfully belonged to him and trying to convince Teng Shen she had made a mistake in not choosing him. During their final battle, Oroku Saki in inadvertently causes Teng Shen's death so in as a means of punishing his former friend he abducts Miwa and gives her the name of Oroku Karai and trains her to be a weapon all for the sake of avenging the death of the woman he loves.