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NYShell 03-29-2014 11:50 PM

TMNT CG Pilot
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXSRMZbfMfg

Anyone know what the music is at 4:48 to 5:07? I was thinking of using it for something and it sounded really good.

On a similar note, would you guys have wanted this to come out? I definitely would have liked to see this come to fruition. It had a really good feel and tone.

TurtleTitan97 03-29-2014 11:54 PM

Honestly? No. The Shredder looked ridiculous, the Turtles looked too pudgy, and CG didn't look so great.

The only really good think I liked about this were the fight scenes. I'm glad we ended up with the 2003 series.

snake 03-30-2014 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NYShell (Post 1239475)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXSRMZbfMfg

Anyone know what the music is at 4:48 to 5:07? I was thinking of using it for something and it sounded really good.

On a similar note, would you guys have wanted this to come out? I definitely would have liked to see this come to fruition. It had a really good feel and tone.

This was terrible. Nick is soooo much better.

electric_sheep 03-30-2014 12:25 AM

I don't know, these seems like a lot more open world than Nick TMNT but the designs are ugly, and shredder ugh...

Jester 03-30-2014 12:44 AM

I wish there was a cleaner copy available. I'd like to see more...but then again, I'd also like to have seen both the Halmark Made-for-TV movie (how far did that make it?) and the WB series make it as well. :P

SwiftNinjaFox 03-30-2014 01:19 AM

Might have been alright. It's clearly a very early pitch piece. The turtles look more like they were inspired by the Fred Wolf versions, only brought to CG. With more polish, I might have been interested in seeing it, but I don't necessarily regret it not being picked up.

Luckyday 03-30-2014 01:40 AM

Looked very 90's to me.

LeotheLateBloomer 03-30-2014 02:17 AM

Yeah, I don't think we would have been ready for the show. On the plus side of it though, April does look pretty nice.

electric_sheep 03-30-2014 02:24 AM

I am surprised how fluid and realistic they move, was this Motion captured?
Also loving that Casey Design, short hair really works, who would have thought?
New Casey is a whiny bitch, he sucks...

NYShell 03-30-2014 02:34 AM

Idk. I loved the 2k3 series even though it didn't get the exposure it deserved, but I would've been so on board with this cg version. Idk why you guys don't dig the Turtles look; it definitely has a Mirage influence. And the Shredder looks really good and has a more realistic, proportional design. He doesn't look boxy and rigid like the Nick one. I don't think the Nick show is bad, but it's not really anything amazing Imo. It's really whatever. If the 2k3 never made the cut then I would've been very happy watching this. That shot when they're on the rooftop next to the WTC is sick. I love that music from 4:48 to 5:07. This show would've been pretty awesome.

NYShell 03-30-2014 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by electric_sheep (Post 1239574)
I am surprised how fluid and realistic they move, was this Motion captured?
Also loving that Casey Design, short hair really works, who would have thought?
New Casey is a whiny bitch, he sucks...

Yeah, the animation is top notch. This looks a lot more realistic than the Nicktoon. I feel very immersed in it.

Even though we only see Casey for a minute in here, I am more sold on him than the Nicktoon. He doesn't seem like a pushover. Very cool Imo.

electric_sheep 03-30-2014 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NYShell (Post 1239585)
Idk. I loved the 2k3 series even though it didn't get the exposure it deserved, but I would've been so on board with this cg version. Idk why you guys don't dig the Turtles look; it definitely has a Mirage influence. And the Shredder looks really good and has a more realistic, proportional design. He doesn't look boxy and rigid like the Nick one. I don't think the Nick show is bad, but it's not really anything amazing Imo. It's really whatever. If the 2k3 never made the cut then I would've been very happy watching this. That shot when they're on the rooftop next to the WTC is sick. I love that music from 4:48 to 5:07. This show would've been pretty awesome.

I can't stand new show, Hate the whole teenage thing, turtles act like they are 8 not 15, it's basically for children from 3 to 10, nothing for fans there...

snake 03-30-2014 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by electric_sheep (Post 1239608)
I can't stand new show, Hate the whole teenage thing, turtles act like they are 8 not 15, it's basically for children from 3 to 10, nothing for fans there...

It's on a children's network. Of course the turtles can't act like they do in mirage here. Plus it has tons of stuff for fans.

sdp 03-30-2014 11:25 AM

The pilot is excellent for the time. I actually prefer Shredder's design here over the Nick show. it also looks far more interesting than the current Nick show. The voices are bad but they would've changed, the cg is not bad for a pilot in the early 2000_'s. It would've gotten better for when it aired. I love all the designs, especially their teen April. Anyway I am glad that we got 2k3 instead of this but it would've been a good show.

TurtleTitan97 03-30-2014 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NYShell (Post 1239587)
Yeah, the animation is top notch. This looks a lot more realistic than the Nicktoon. I feel very immersed in it.

Even though we only see Casey for a minute in here, I am more sold on him than the Nicktoon. He doesn't seem like a pushover. Very cool Imo.

No offense, but how is outdated CG from 2001 more realistic than what we have now?

John Pannozzi 03-30-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 1239529)
I wish there was a cleaner copy available. I'd like to see more...but then again, I'd also like to have seen both the Halmark Made-for-TV movie (how far did that make it?) and the WB series make it as well. :P

As you probably know, there was a costume test for Splinter that Peter Laird saw, and that's about it.

sdp 03-30-2014 03:24 PM

I think the CG series and the KWB series were pretty much the same thing right? At least design wise only one was CG and the other wasn't. I think a KWB series would've been fun but we're talking about a maximum of 65 episodes if it had happened. Not to mention getting renewed in KWB was probably harder than in FoxBox/4KidsTV, I actually think being in 4KidsTV helped 2k3 get so many episodes.

Anyway, in a controversial and totally unrelated note, I always took the CG Pilot as in continuity with the 2007 movie and since I consider that one in continuity with the Nick show then the Pilot is part of the Nick show in my eyes.

electric_sheep 03-30-2014 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1239913)
I think the CG series and the KWB series were pretty much the same thing right? At least design wise only one was CG and the other wasn't. I think a KWB series would've been fun but we're talking about a maximum of 65 episodes if it had happened. Not to mention getting renewed in KWB was probably harder than in FoxBox/4KidsTV, I actually think being in 4KidsTV helped 2k3 get so many episodes.

Anyway, in a controversial and totally unrelated note, I always took the CG Pilot as in continuity with the 2007 movie and since I consider that one in continuity with the Nick show then the Pilot is part of the Nick show in my eyes.

How? you see Casey and April as adults, and the tone is completely different...

turtlefanforever 03-30-2014 05:25 PM

It peaks my interest
 
If this was in place of the nick show I'd watch every week! The animation itself could use work but the fight scenes looked fantastic! Was this proposed? I'd def watch it, and seems like something that would be big in Asia but also have the cross over value to the states.

NYShell 03-30-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1239773)
The pilot is excellent for the time. I actually prefer Shredder's design here over the Nick show. it also looks far more interesting than the current Nick show. The voices are bad but they would've changed, the cg is not bad for a pilot in the early 2000_'s. It would've gotten better for when it aired. I love all the designs, especially their teen April. Anyway I am glad that we got 2k3 instead of this but it would've been a good show.

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1239913)
I think the CG series and the KWB series were pretty much the same thing right? At least design wise only one was CG and the other wasn't. I think a KWB series would've been fun but we're talking about a maximum of 65 episodes if it had happened. Not to mention getting renewed in KWB was probably harder than in FoxBox/4KidsTV, I actually think being in 4KidsTV helped 2k3 get so many episodes.

Anyway, in a controversial and totally unrelated note, I always took the CG Pilot as in continuity with the 2007 movie and since I consider that one in continuity with the Nick show then the Pilot is part of the Nick show in my eyes.

Wait, the KWB and this cg pilot were different? I always thought the KWB cartoon drawings were just concept drawings and illustrations for this cg pilot show. Interesting. Either way, they both looked very good. I liked almost everything I saw from this cg pilot. I would've preferred this over the nick cartoon any day.

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever (Post 1240002)
If this was in place of the nick show I'd watch every week! The animation itself could use work but the fight scenes looked fantastic! Was this proposed? I'd def watch it, and seems like something that would be big in Asia but also have the cross over value to the states.

Same here. I really wish this is the show we got.

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97 (Post 1239797)
No offense, but how is outdated CG from 2001 more realistic than what we have now?

None taken. If you look at the motion and movements of the cg models you can see how life-like it feels and looks. Yeah, the nick cartoon can be very fun and animated at times, but if you take time to observe you can see how professional the rigging for the cg pilot animation is. It looks very photo-real. Just as observing a real object/figure move.

Powder 03-30-2014 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever (Post 1240002)
If this was in place of the nick show I'd watch every week! The animation itself could use work but the fight scenes looked fantastic! Was this proposed? I'd def watch it, and seems like something that would be big in Asia but also have the cross over value to the states.

This series became the 4kids 'toon. You can see the Battle Shell in it and there are other traces of 4kids designs in there too.

electric_sheep 03-30-2014 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1240038)
This series became the 4kids 'toon. You can see the Battle Shell in it and there are other traces of 4kids designs in there too.

O yeah...
It's because it was probably expensive as hell to do All Cgi show back in 2001, The texturing looks unfinished but the movements are vastly superior to Nick show, it fells very live actiony...

Candy Kappa 03-30-2014 06:24 PM

The animation is not superior to the Nick show, it looks really stilted at times.

The animation style is less cartoony, that is true, but it is also less expressive and severely lacking in dynamics. The fight choreography is pretty decent, but the character animation is stilted and seems rather hastily done, which isn't all that odd since it's just a short pilot.

electric_sheep 03-30-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa (Post 1240057)
The animation is not superior to the Nick show, it looks really stilted at times.

The animation style is less cartoony, that is true, but it is also less expressive and severely lacking in dynamics. The fight choreography is pretty decent, but the character animation is stilted and seems rather hastily done, which isn't all that odd since it's just a short pilot.

When they movie it's much more fluid and feels a lot more realistic. Obviously it was never finished, so we will never know what the final product would look like..

Candy Kappa 03-30-2014 06:41 PM

Not sure if we see the same pilot and Nick show...

As an 3D animator, I see a lot of stuff that require work in that pilot. A LOT. the Nick show is a delight to watch and see how good the animation is and how it evolves further with the episodes. Especially the character animation in combat situations.

electric_sheep 03-30-2014 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa (Post 1240083)
Not sure if we see the same pilot and Nick show...

As an 3D animator, I see a lot of stuff that require work in that pilot. A LOT. the Nick show is a delight to watch and see how good the animation is and how it evolves further with the episodes. Especially the character animation in combat situations.

But this never got to be finished and it was 13 years ago...
You are 3D animator? How weird so am i...

Candy Kappa 03-30-2014 06:56 PM

Animation can still be good even if it is 13 years ago, it does more then the bare necessity to show the turtles in movement, but is think it's a stretch to say it's better animated then the Nick show, especially when Don looks hilariously stilted in the scene where he finished the turtle van, and Raph when he gets up after getting knocked down by splinter. Raph in that scene almost just slides into the key poses instead of having a fluid motion.

You're an animator too? Cool. What program do you prefer to use?

electric_sheep 03-30-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa (Post 1240106)
Animation can still be good even if it is 13 years ago, it does more then the bare necessity to show the turtles in movement, but is think it's a stretch to say it's better animated then the Nick show, especially when Don looks hilariously stilted in the scene where he finished the turtle van, and Raph when he gets up after getting knocked down by splinter. Raph in that scene almost just slides into the key poses instead of having a fluid motion.

You're an animator too? Cool. What program do you prefer to use?

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Candy Kappa 03-30-2014 07:02 PM

Aaaw, so sad :lol:

But, there are free animation programs for people to try out, I've heard decent things about Blender and I think that is a free 3D animation software.

OA 03-30-2014 07:39 PM

Maybe I'm just easily amused, but I thought the fight scenes, particularly with Don and the Elite, were pretty sweet and very realistic looking. Casey and April were nicely done too.

Now that we've seen the new movie preview, we need to see an animated cartoon with these 8 foot turtles!

thebrownranger 03-30-2014 08:38 PM

I would have loved to see this show come to fruition. Of course the animation might have needed a little more tweaking, but overall it was pretty decent for a short CGI pilot 13 years. It was made to give a small idea of what the show could be like had it been created for television.

Love the feel of this animatic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8

Not really a fan of the new Nick show. It's kind of "meh" for me, but it does have its moments where it pulls me in a little more.

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa (Post 1240115)
Aaaw, so sad :lol:

But, there are free animation programs for people to try out, I've heard decent things about Blender and I think that is a free 3D animation software.

Another 3d animator here. Haven't done anything in animation for some time, but hoping to get back into when I have more time on my hands. Blender is an amazing open source program.

Gin Rummy 03-30-2014 08:50 PM

The animation looks pretty good for being over a decade old. But I can imagine that this show would have been ridiculously expensive to produce at the time.

turtlefanforever 03-30-2014 10:51 PM

I'm glad we got 2003 cause almost nothing beats that show
 
but I wish we coulda got both. I could see this only running for 2 years then boom we get the 2k3 show, and a sold 16-32 episodes of this. I would have loved if this was the nick series. honestly watch every week, even if they kept it the same look !

CyberCubed 03-30-2014 10:54 PM

LOL @ people being disappointed a proposed terrible CG show from 2001 didn't happen. The show would have aged horribly (CG in 2001 for a TV show was ugly), and I doubt it would have lasted more than Next Mutation.

cartoonistaaron 03-30-2014 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thebrownranger (Post 1240200)
Love the feel of this animatic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8

I talked to a guy who worked on putting this together. He worked for WB animation and when I mentioned how cool this looked, he said the show itself would not have been this gritty - WB apparently wanted to take it in a more "Tiny Toons" direction (i.e. heavy on the humor and cuteness). Probably a good thing it never happened.

I wish MTV or Adult Swim or someone would do a traditionally animated show based on the Mirage comics. The 2k3 show was really bland and I feel like something that looks closer to the original comic book designs would be really cool.

NYShell 03-30-2014 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1240276)
LOL @ people being disappointed a proposed terrible CG show from 2001 didn't happen. The show would have aged horribly (CG in 2001 for a TV show was ugly), and I doubt it would have lasted more than Next Mutation.

LOL @ CyberCubed being continually disappointed in the new Turtles flick, even though it's still happening no matter how much you cry.

CyberCubed 03-31-2014 01:21 AM

New movie has terrible Turtle faces, regardless if its actually good or not.

In regards to this CG pilot, anyone notice the Twin Towers appear towards the end of it? Man, just shows you that this was from another time. :cry:

Eiko 03-31-2014 01:26 AM

Would have love to see this series happen. I remember seeing this pilot 10 years ago I thought wow the Turtles are coming back then never heard of it again.

shuriken 03-31-2014 01:27 AM

When my 12 year old self heard about this I was stoked. But then the whole thing fellthrough. I would have enjoyed it, and Shredder looked pretty badass, as did the Foot symbol. The mouth movements were jarring, but the action scenes were pretty fluid. The look reminds me of Beast Wars tho.

CyberCubed 03-31-2014 01:31 AM

You guys do realize most of what we see in that trailer was in the 4kids series, right?

The Turtles fighting Foot Elite, Triceratons, Mousers, giant robots, and their truck looks identical to the Battle Shell. In fact probably all the ideas from this trailer went into the cartoon.

I don't see what you think we were missing since the 4kids cartoon had great 2D animation unlike this dated CG.


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