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TigerClaw 05-06-2014 12:05 PM

Cinemablend predicts the new TMNT Movie to Bomb at the Box Office
 
cinemablend.com has posted an article about, Predictions to movies that will bomb at the Box Office, And the new TMNT movie is on the list.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Summe...-42837-p4.html
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles – Platinum Dunes has given the heroes in a half shell an expensive big screen treatment. Two major elements really hold this film back, however (three if it's terrible). One, do the Turtles really have any mainstream appeal right now? The constantly-rebooted show is never exactly a breakout hit with TV audiences. And 2007's TMNT grossed an underwhelming $95 million, quickly forgotten by the fanbase. Two, look at those turtle designs. The trailer has played to much confusion as people seem to be put-off by these edgy, frankly unsightly-looking Ninja heroes. A major marketing challenge has been created by the sight of these things: international audiences may not care, though and they'll help buoy a worldwide gross around $120 million.

Candy Kappa 05-06-2014 12:08 PM

They seem a bit misinformed... I doubt the fan base "forgot" TMNT, just because it under grossed, it seems many fans remembers it, for better or worse. And constantly rebooting, yes TMNT have three animated series so far, but the Nick show seems to be fairly popular.

And cruddy designs didn't stop Transformers.

CyberCubed 05-06-2014 12:12 PM

Did this idiot really say the Turtles have no mainstream appeal in TV?

Is this guy completely oblivious to the ratings hit the Nick cartoon is? How could this moron make such a comment? Maybe if it was made in 2010 after the 4kids series ended and nothing was going on he might have a point.

The franchise is the most popular it's ever been since 1993 right now, what is this deranged moron talking about? Goddamn casual.

TigerClaw 05-06-2014 12:21 PM

I also don't agree with the Article, TMNT is as popular as ever, Not only with the new generation, But it still has a fanbase that spans generations since the 80s.

CyberCubed 05-06-2014 12:26 PM

The guy who wrote that article is a casual who has no clue. What constantly rebooted TV series?

The franchise has only had 3 cartoons all of which were successful. It's uninformed casuals like this who make my blood boil. At least do some research about the franchise before shooting your mouth off about a franchise.

About the only thing I can agree with is the movie will do poorly in the box office.

Vicky82 05-06-2014 12:33 PM

Wow what an idiot.

I don't bother reading predictions on which movie bombs or does well at the box office because it ends up the other way round, Like Trancendence which I heard was good turns out it was a flop and Spiderman 2 didn't exactly do well at the opening weekend only got about 95 million in the US and was predicted to do more than that.

Puddinpop 05-06-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1259089)
cinemablend.com has posted an article about, Predictions to movies that will bomb at the Box Office, And the new TMNT movie is on the list.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Summe...-42837-p4.html

.........WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE lmao. I mean really? Yea.. everyone hates the new nick show lol. This is good though this is good.. When the movie does well in SPITE of having absolutely ZERO faith from the trendist media they will learn to NEVER bet against the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles EVER again. They all did the same thing with the first movie and they ended up putting their foot in their mouth. I am SICK of the negativity! It's like a virus!! The media feeds on negativity like a parasite. I've had it up to HERE " I'm putting my hand up 2 my neck in case you're wondering : )" Sorry I haven't taken my meds yet..

electric_sheep 05-06-2014 12:42 PM

There's no way that this will flop, but it isn't to make a collosol amount of money either. A lack of marketing is gonna really hurt it..

Puddinpop 05-06-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by electric_sheep (Post 1259116)
There's no way that this will flop, but it isn't to make a collosol amount of money either. A lack of marketing is gonna really hurt it..

Thank you for being fair Sheep. : )

hitmonkey 05-06-2014 12:49 PM

"Never exactly a breakout hit with TV audiences"... except for, you know, the fact that the Fred Wolf series started a cultural phenomenon and the new Nick series is having huge success with kids and adults. But nope, never a hit.:roll:

sethmartin 05-06-2014 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1259089)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles – Platinum Dunes has given the heroes in a half shell an expensive big screen treatment. Two major elements really hold this film back, however (three if it's terrible). One, do the Turtles really have any mainstream appeal right now? The constantly-rebooted show is never exactly a breakout hit with TV audiences. And 2007's TMNT grossed an underwhelming $95 million, quickly forgotten by the fanbase. Two, look at those turtle designs. The trailer has played to much confusion as people seem to be put-off by these edgy, frankly unsightly-looking Ninja heroes. A major marketing challenge has been created by the sight of these things: international audiences may not care, though and they'll help buoy a worldwide gross around $120 million.


So a $95 million dollar gross on a film that cost 35 million to make is "underwhelming"?? If an animated TMNT film that got barely any marketing can make $95 million worldwide, then a big budget Michael Bay live action film is going to make bank!! It doesn't matter whether it's a good movie or not, people will go see it. Also, the Turtles have a LOT of mainstream appeal right now due to the animated Nick show and the 30th anniversary. True, the turtles may never again be as big as they were in the late 80s early 90s but I attribute that to the fact that there is so much more programming choices on tv now so tv shows don't perform as well now as shows did back then. The Nick show is popular with kids and most of those kids parents are in their late twenties/ 30s, so they remember the OT series. I say the time is perfect for a new turtles movie.

TigerClaw 05-06-2014 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sethmartin (Post 1259128)
So a $95 million dollar gross on a film that cost 35 million to make is "underwhelming"?? If an animated TMNT film that got barely any marketing can make $95 million worldwide, then a big budget Michael Bay live action film is going to make bank!! It doesn't matter whether it's a good movie or not, people will go see it. Also, the Turtles have a LOT of mainstream appeal right now due to the animated Nick show and the 30th anniversary. True, the turtles may never again be as big as they were in the late 80s early 90s but I attribute that to the fact that there is so much more programming choices on tv now so tv shows don't perform as well now as shows did back then. The Nick show is popular with kids and most of those kids parents are in their late twenties/ 30s, so they remember the OT series. I say the time is perfect for a new turtles movie.

the guy completely forgot that there was a 4Kids series, Which was popular too.

The Boston Ninja Turtle 05-06-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sethmartin (Post 1259128)
Also, the Turtles have a LOT of mainstream appeal right now due to the animated Nick show and the 30th anniversary. True, the turtles may never again be as big as they were in the late 80s early 90s but I attribute that to the fact that there is so much more programming choices on tv now so tv shows don't perform as well now as shows did back then.

i have to agree with this part right here, and i think it fits with alot of shows right now...especially TMNT's main contender Power Rangers...Saban brands wants MMPR money...but its just not what it used to be


that said..this article sounds like its written by someone who was told and had no choice in the matter so went with the bare bones knowledge

DarkLightDragon 05-06-2014 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1259136)
the guy completely forgot that there was a 4Kids series, Which was popular too.

Admittedly not as popular as the Fred Wolf series and the current one, but yeah, it's not like him mentioning that would've made this article any better.

SwiftNinjaFox 05-06-2014 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hitmonkey (Post 1259121)
"Never exactly a breakout hit with TV audiences"... except for, you know, the fact that the Fred Wolf series started a cultural phenomenon and the new Nick series is having huge success with kids and adults.

Yeah, but OTHER THAN THAT, what has it ever done? I mean, really? :roll: :lol:

GeneralTragg 05-06-2014 01:17 PM

It's exactly this kind of negative pre-release word of mouth that is going to bring the film down.

jezza 05-06-2014 01:23 PM

He's almost as clueless as the guy from Rolling Stone. If you're taking the time to write an article about a history of "reboots", at least try to understand why they are being started again pretty much ten years apart after more than 7 seasons each. If they were never popular, then why do studios keep going back to them?

Warhorse 05-06-2014 02:05 PM

Guys, you think it's bad now, just wait till the reviews come in. And definitely expect this movie to be a major Razzie contender. I hate it that this is what is happening, but the movie magazine and online communities love to dump on Michael Bay, and I think they are going to aim really hard at TMNT for it.

graphic_content 05-06-2014 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1259089)
cinemablend.com has posted an article about, Predictions to movies that will bomb at the Box Office, And the new TMNT movie is on the list.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Summe...-42837-p4.html

all this author has done is list the movie that are coming in out in the summer.

in truth, EVERY movie has the potential to flop.

these doomsday articles...smh...first Peter Travers, now this. c'mon.

Puddinpop 05-06-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1259096)
Did this idiot really say the Turtles have no mainstream appeal in TV?

Is this guy completely oblivious to the ratings hit the Nick cartoon is? How could this moron make such a comment? Maybe if it was made in 2010 after the 4kids series ended and nothing was going on he might have a point.

The franchise is the most popular it's ever been since 1993 right now, what is this deranged moron talking about? Goddamn casual.


^ hahahahahahahaha!!! I second this entire post lol.

sethmartin 05-06-2014 04:10 PM

I read through his other reviews. Basically it's just a list of films he doesn't care about so he doesn't think anyone else does. Yes some of the films on that list look terrible but are they going to flop??? Doubt it. I don't care about 'Blended' either but Sandler's movies rarely if ever flop. Sin City 2 is going to flop? Don't think so. It would be different if this was a list of "Movies that might suck" but he has no evidence or even good points of why he thinks these movies are going to flop at the box office.

Raven 05-06-2014 04:29 PM

Truth be told, this movie could end up making transformer money. It really depends on how people react to it, I know a lot of people hated the transformer movies but where already getting a 4th one.

I wouldn't be surprised if it does well, not block buster good but good enough to warrant possible sequels for sure.

sethmartin 05-06-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven (Post 1259297)
Truth be told, this movie could end up making transformer money. It really depends on how people react to it, I know a lot of people hated the transformer movies but where already getting a 4th one.

I wouldn't be surprised if it does well, not block buster good but good enough to warrant possible sequels for sure.

Yep. Transformers the cartoon was popular but nowhere near as popular as the Turtles and people flock to those movies.

rickwj324 05-06-2014 05:24 PM

It'll definitely make $$$$ for sure! No doubt about it. As much as people like to bust on Bay, the man can make some pretty bankable action flicks! I'm surprised it hasn't received more publicity than it has.

A movie like this will go beyond it's normal fanbase. You'll have US (the fans) wanting to see it, even if we don't like what they've done to the franchise. You will also have most young boys wanting to see it, as well as the action-movie crowd.

I don't see this making Transformers money...but it will definitely not be a flop financially. As to how it will fair with the critics...that's a different story! ;)

Shark_Blade 05-06-2014 05:30 PM

Sounds like an article written by an idiot.

sethmartin 05-06-2014 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rickwj324 (Post 1259330)
I don't see this making Transformers money...but it will definitely not be a flop financially. As to how it will fair with the critics...that's a different story! ;)

I agree but ya never know. Who would have thought Transformers would end up making Transformers money? lol

electric_sheep 05-06-2014 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sethmartin (Post 1259340)
I agree but ya never know. Who would have thought Transformers would end up making Transformers money? lol

You would think that after 3 movies it would die down a little, i don't get it.
Are people really that stupid?

turtlefanforever 05-06-2014 05:57 PM

Bs
 
The main stream appeal thing is totally bs, I disagree with half this. Only good thing is the terrible looks

Sumac 05-06-2014 07:01 PM

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You would think that after 3 movies it would die down a little, i don't get it.
Are people really that stupid?
With all problems, that Bay movies has, he always knows how to make an overwhelming action. I can give him that.
People go for his movies because of the pretty picture and not because of interesting characters or story. I don't think anybody expect his movies to have that. It's an eye-popcorn. And that's why its popular.

The Boston Ninja Turtle 05-06-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1259395)
With all problems, that Bay movies has, he always knows how to make an overwhelming action. I can give him that.
People go for his movies because of the pretty picture and not because of interesting characters or story. I don't think anybody expect his movies to have that. It's an eye-popcorn. And that's why its popular.

i dont feel bays style works with turtles though...i mean it may now with the foot being military but the turtles were never about extreme action and explosions


transformers are about giant fighting robots...perfect for bay and co

i feel like he shouldve been given power rangers over TMNT

tmntmikey23 05-06-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle (Post 1259418)
i dont feel bays style works with turtles though...i mean it may now with the foot being military but the turtles were never about extreme action and explosions


transformers are about giant fighting robots...perfect for bay and co

i feel like he shouldve been given power rangers over TMNT

this is what i think WHO CARES ABOUT MBAY IF HE MAKES THIS MOVIE GET OVER IT I DONT CARE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK NOR SAY ABOUT HIM HE IS A GUY THAT LIKE TURTLE AND HAS MONNEY TO MAKE A MOVIE YOU GOT NO MONEY FOR A MOVIE SO CALM DOWM AND WAIT LIKE I AM AND WATCH THE FILM ps sorry for caps :trolleye:

electric_sheep 05-06-2014 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle (Post 1259418)
i dont feel bays style works with turtles though...i mean it may now with the foot being military but the turtles were never about extreme action and explosions


transformers are about giant fighting robots...perfect for bay and co

i feel like he shouldve been given power rangers over TMNT

Bay's style is the pollar oposite of the turtles. One is about fighting in the shadows, always being carefull not to be seen by the outside world, it's about family, the other is about EXPLOSIONS hot girl EXPLOSIONS dick joke EXPLOSIONS annoying charachter. And before you say Liebesman's directing, Liebesman is Bay's protage, they have the exact same style...

Ramboraph4life aka Matt 05-06-2014 07:39 PM

They certainly haven't shown any of that 'overwhelming action'.

What, the hummer scene? A random tower falling that we've seen in dozens and dozens of movies? A few folks thrown around? Pretty much it.

Nothing overwhelming at all. I've seen more overwhelming stuff in Direct to DVD films from the 90's (especially PM Entertainment flicks) than the tiny bits of action they've showcased so far. And considering these are Action Films at the end of the day, that's pretty sad.

I hope the makers aren't thinking that 'hummer scene' is as "Badass" as they are trying to make it seem like...because if they think that scene is one of their "Big Money Shots for the film" then they are in even worse shape than I thought.

The Boston Ninja Turtle 05-06-2014 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tmntmikey23 (Post 1259425)
this is what i think WHO CARES ABOUT MBAY IF HE MAKES THIS MOVIE GET OVER IT I DONT CARE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK NOR SAY ABOUT HIM HE IS A GUY THAT LIKE TURTLE AND HAS MONNEY TO MAKE A MOVIE YOU GOT NO MONEY FOR A MOVIE SO CALM DOWM AND WAIT LIKE I AM AND WATCH THE FILM ps sorry for caps :trolleye:

uh ok..i actually said nothing about Bay as a person, just his directing and movie making style...and even then i said nothing bad about it, just that it doesn't fit the turtles universe


i even gave an example of a franchise i like that i felt Bay's style would work better for

you need to take a chill pill dude

Galactus 05-06-2014 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sethmartin (Post 1259323)
Yep. Transformers the cartoon was popular but nowhere near as popular as the Turtles and people flock to those movies.

I would argue that the concept of giant transforming robots fighting a war is a one that has a wider appeal regardless of whether you watched the cartoon or not.

Also I think not only did an entire generation of fans wait for a live action Transformers movie non-fans had little conception of what a Transformers movie should be hence why it's easy for Bay to play those movies like he does.

TMNT is different; firstly I think the concept doesn't quite have the same hook and while there a valid story embedded in the absurd we have the powers that be constantly meddling and piece by piece changing it until it no longer resembled TMNT.

Now that is a problem because the franchise was bigger than Transformers and people do have an idea of what a TMNT movie and those characters should be but again we're faced with everything being changed.

Nameless 05-06-2014 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tmntmikey23 (Post 1259425)
this is what i think WHO CARES ABOUT MBAY IF HE MAKES THIS MOVIE GET OVER IT I DONT CARE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK NOR SAY ABOUT HIM HE IS A GUY THAT LIKE TURTLE AND HAS MONNEY TO MAKE A MOVIE YOU GOT NO MONEY FOR A MOVIE SO CALM DOWM AND WAIT LIKE I AM AND WATCH THE FILM ps sorry for caps :trolleye:

i like the typing in all caps and telling everyone else to calm down. ;) haha.

truth be told i am trying to avoid most influences about the movie. when it comes out i'll form my opinion on it then. even Eastman essentially said he knows its a big change but hopes the nah sayer will come around and enjoy it when they see it. so personally i have no extreme feelings about the movie either way

Do i think it will bomb at the box office though. no not at all. its the TMNT, everyone excited about it will go see it and the majority of the people who think Bay will screw it up will go see it just to say "i told you so". i'm not saying it will be a great or a terrible movie but i do doubt it will Bomb simply because it is the turtles.

Galactus 05-06-2014 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23 (Post 1259425)
this is what i think WHO CARES ABOUT MBAY IF HE MAKES THIS MOVIE GET OVER IT I DONT CARE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK NOR SAY ABOUT HIM HE IS A GUY THAT LIKE TURTLE AND HAS MONNEY TO MAKE A MOVIE YOU GOT NO MONEY FOR A MOVIE SO CALM DOWM AND WAIT LIKE I AM AND WATCH THE FILM ps sorry for caps :trolleye:

Michael Bay likes the turtles?

I've never heard him or anyone claim he likes the turtles. He's admitted more than once that he never liked Transformers but the concept had the potential for great visual appeal.

One thing he has said is that he dislikes comic book movies so the chances of him liking TMNT are pretty low.

Pondslider 05-06-2014 08:59 PM

Michael Bay likes money and TMNT seemed like a good franchise to exploit.

Refractive Reflections 05-06-2014 09:00 PM

First this author is probably comparing the Turtlemania popularity of the Turtles to the current lukewarm popularity (Spongebob is still currently more popular than TMNT) of the Turtles today which is unfair (it still has to make its way to the adult mainstream, which this movie is trying to do now). The Nick cartoon still has a MAJOR way to go to come close to the Fred Wolf popularity, but if you take the recent Transformers movie in 2007, there was no current Transformers cartoon during that time and Transformers still did very well despite its critically unfavorable-to-mixed reception.

Personally, I don't like the direction of this movie either (execution and Turtle designs) but Bay's associated films are always successful. This movie will be financially successfully, but critically panned (like most/all Bay-associated films).

The only way things could dramatically change is if miraculously the storywriting is superb, or the storywriting is far worse than expected for a Bay film.

Sumac 05-07-2014 02:46 AM

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Bay's style is the pollar oposite of the turtles.
Exactly. He is all about "in your face" action, which is not something, that could fit Turtles, IMO.


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