To everyone against the clothing/gear
 

I too was thinking they had a bit too much on and some things are unnecessary but I just realized...Bebop and Rocksteady had alot of clothing and stuff on too. Why didn't that bother anybody?

They had shirts, pants, shoes, pads and basically everything the new live action turtles have.

I know they were mutated humans but still just because the turtles were turtles first doesn't mean they have to be naked. The clothing isn't that strange the more you see it. Its really just ninja wear, except Mikey, which fits his personality and Don's backpack probably has a purpose.

Sunglasses, a bunch of crap on your back and a twigs armour ninja wear? Wouldn't that cause more noise that ninja's should make?
Bebop and Rocksteady started out as humans so it makes sense for them to wear clothes.

Well fighting wear. Ya know what I mean. The turtles have never been portrayed as realistic ninjas...this has been brought up before this movie.

Bebop and Rocksteady were the stereotypical punks who were loud and attention-grabbing with their destruction and personalities; so why not also expect it with their clothes? They didn't concern themselves with stealth like ninjas are supposed to be, as one of the foremost principles of their fighting technique. Should we really expect the same loud and gaudiness from the Turtles who are supposed to be ninjas?

The main reason the gear/clothes fail in my eyes, is because it doesn't suit practicality, in fact some of the gear can be not only superfluous, but possibly even detrimental. I mean Donnie wearing glasses... seriously? He's going to be involved with physical combat and this Turtle can invent the craziest technology out there, but yet he can't even design contacts? Oh brother... All an enemy has to do is just knock Donatello's glasses off, and he'll be easy pickings since his vision is apparently so bad he needs these corrective lenses in physical combat.

Leo's bamboo armor? Cool looking perhaps. Practical when there are bullets being fired (which this 2014 movie seems to imply)? Not at all... and he's supposed to be the most strategic and knowledgeable about combat situations. At least if Leo wore some type of bulletproof armor then I could accept the design, but whatever...

^ Ya, like I said some things are unnecessary, like Don's glasses which was one of the things I was referring too. Also the necklaces but I can see wanting to wear a personal item even its not practical. Not the glasses though.

The bamboo armor doesn't help in gun fights but if he did have some kind of metal/bulletproof armor I think people would complain even more for it being over the top. Thats actually something I would not like myself.

The clothing itself though is really just cover-up and fight wear.

Not sure what Raph's loincloth thing is useful for? Or Mikey's waist sweater. And I have griped about the impracticality about Leo's shoulder plates that don't look properly secured as shoulder plates should be to be useful, he isn't in a larp.


For me, it's not as much as the turtles wearing different gear then the traditional look, it's what the designers chose and what we get on the turtles that bugs me. So not the concept of different clothes, but the execution.

Just to add to what other people are saying bebop and rocksteady started off as humans and the clothes we see them wearing are the same as what they had on when they were mutated. It could be a case of old habits dying hard, a way for them to hold on to whatever humanity they have left or considering who we're talking about maybe they were just to lazy to take them off. And besides they're meant to be big guady and eyecatching powerhouses everything the turtles are not. The tmnt were never human and therefore don't have a human reference on things and none of the reasons to dress up thatb&r do. Its not something they would miss and its not a human practice they would imatate because they don't want to be human but just accepted by humans for what they are.
That being said I'm not against this look because its not traditional but because the most important word in the title to me is ninja. I just imagine that if the turtles, who spend 15 years living in a sewer training to perfect thier skills were going to wear anything it would be about ninja practicality. That's the beauty of the original design it was simple and functional just protective pads on the joints and belts tp carry their weapons. Very minimal, nothing that would hinder movement or slow them down. The movies gear looks like the complete opposite. It doesn't look functional or protective and a lot of it looks like they'd be worse off for wearing it. I'm not sure what purpose you get out of bamboo chest plates that look useless against not only bullets but pretty much everything or loincloths when you shouldn't have visable junk to begin with or swaeterss tied around your waist like you just stepped out of a 90s highschool. and poor Donatello has it the worst. not only does it look like he'd be weighted down by all that gear but you expect me to believe he can make or scavenge a pair of night vision goggles but not a pair of sports glasses. did anybody put more than 2 seconds of thought into this?

As an add-on about Bebop and Rocksteady. In Archie, when they began getting memories of a "past" life as their respective animal, they also retire on a paradise planet filled with wildlife, and they ditch their clothes.

Well, Bebop and Rocksteady started out as humans, so...

That really annoyed me as a kid. Why would they have memories of past animal lives they didn't have?

It was odd for sure, but maybe the mutagen imprints memories to the victim that will eventually surface subconsciously, on adults.

Or maybe R&B just got a huge animal instinct spike for a period, yearning so much for a wildlife lifestyle they started to dream about it.

I look at it as them wanting to fit in with humans and/or show off their personalities. Why stop at just colored bandanas?

Splinter always wore clothes because he's dignified. I would think since he's basically their father, they would try to emulate him.

I doubt it has anything to do with dignity, seems more like Rat!Splinter just likes robes or kimonos, maybe it's a memorabilia after Yoshi?

Cause Rat!Splinter don't use trouser or underwear, just a kimono.

I guess you could look at it that way. But then again, being a rat covered in fur and living underground doesn't exactly require you to wear clothes. I wear button up shirts because I like the way they look, but I wear clothes in general because, well, I'm too dignified to just walk around in the nude.

Or, using clothes is a social norm. As it is in most modern societies, complete nakedness is a no no.

They're not masters of ninjutsu.

I would still argue that Splinter wears clothes because he sees himself as something more than just a rat which would translate to a more dignified being. The fact that his clothes also pay respect to his past only highlights this. Either way, I think the turtles probably wear clothes because Splinter does and because they are teenagers looking to fit in.

The way I see it the toy line had all kinds of costumes on, there were clowns turtles, cavemen turtles, astronaut turtles and even sumo wrestler turtles. So they wear Samurai armor/loincloth/gadgets/sweat shirt shouldn't be such a big deal.

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"April, why do humans want to make themselves look dumber than they already are?" - Raphael from OT

Raphael in Mirage said that humans wear clothes because their bodies are ugly. :lol:

There's always been a bit of wanting to be accepted for who they are, not be accepted for adopting human appearances.

I just think it's a bit unnecessary myself, though I kind of dig the bracers on Leo and his shoulder guards. The bamboo seems silly to me.

Not crazy about all of them having a form of loincloth and I've NEVER thought they look normal in pants. They ALWAYS look weird wearing pants to me, in every incarnation. ;)

I would actually love it if Raphael still shares that point of view in this new version. Even though he's wearing clothes, it is the most minimal amount of the four and looks like something an ancient barbarian would wear if you excuse the sunglasses.

It's also not like they're wearing so much that they're disguising themselves as human. You can still clearly see they are mutants. But the clothes to me translate a desire to want to be accepted amongst humans while not completely disregarding their mutant/ninja origins. Raphael can still think of humans as ugly while wearing clothes since the turtles did kinda grow up being influenced by our culture.

I dunno man, even with all those blades, there's no way Shredder is going to be able to get past Leo's bamboo armor. :lol:

that's one of the biggest issues I have with this. they look like left over action figure concepts from back in the day which in itself I think says a lot about how they view these characters. Its like they're over accessorized toys covered in a lot of useless junk instead of skilled formidable warriors. I seriously don't know how anybody can say this movie looks dark in tone with them looking like that

They kinda look like a deviantart redesign....

maybe some of the worst ones. most I've seen look much better than this. maybe because I can tell they put more thought into it.

"Curse your bamboo stick armor, my metal blades are useless!!!" :D

Lol, even the Foot soldiers with their machine guns will be no match.

sorry your so full Of it. hey The creature designer which you're dissing the crap out of, happens to be a member on these boards, how about you say all this to his face Huh?

YEah right like they didn't work hard on them at all SMH. I dont care if its your opinion your being a jerk.

im positive there was lots of thought put into every aspect of these turtles designs just because you dont agree doesn't make it any less true

Leo defined samurai look using Shin guards and armor with NYC buttons and belts and strapp All the way down to his Tsuba on his sword little detail loads of work.

Mikey from his Surfer wet suit pants two his converse shoes and little accessories yup never thought through,

Even donnie who might be over baring still has load of small tiny detail

And splinter went from lookling like wise old master to looking like a Fu Manchu pimp, gotta have that bling.

Speaking of the Foot soldiers machine guns... Does anybody else think that the turtles will have bullet proof shells? Especially after seeing Raph crash into that Humvee.

Yep, I agree. It feels like the old Jim Lee turtles (which I hated). I love Jim Lee's art (from the 90's as well as today) but those designs were ridiculous and didn't fit in with the turtles at all. And it all just seems so unneccessary. I don't mind the fact that their faces are ugly. Yes, the nostrils and lips look odd to me... but I can live with all that (trying to make them look more realistic, etc). However, the stuff they are wearing just looks awful, like some weird "alternate concept" line of action figures.

And before the fans of this movie decide to try to rip into me, I'm not insulting anyone and I'm not adding flames to the fire....I'm simply stating my opinions. I don't fault those that think this looks great. I respect your opinions. However, in my opinion these do look ridiculous.... :teek:

Sam... you stated "The creature designer which you're dissing the crap out of, happens to be a member on these boards". Do we all know who that is? And more importantly, would he be willing to discuss his design choices, etc?

They did in Blue Door, and that's the basis for this film, so probably...

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point him out sam because id really like to talk to him. maybe he could shed some light on some things for me about his work. I didn't say they didn't work hard on crafting the details but I don't believe much though went in to what the turtles do vs what they'll be wearing while doing it. id love to know the reasoning behind putting sun glasses on a character who lives underground and primarily comes out at night. or weighting down what's supposed to be an agile ninja with so much tech. its things like this that make the design look superficial to me and I don't think I'm being insulting by questioning it.

What...?

Anyway, there's a hint of a point somewhere... drawings/paintings will always look better/cooler then realistic CGI-renders that has to be incorporated and interact with regular humans n' stuff. I'm sure that if concept art/marquettes of the PD turtles had just been fan art posted on DA the wast majority would praise them. The leap from a still image to (realistic) moving, talking 3D is a notoriously difficult one. Many designs would struggle with that leap, so I find it kind of unfair to compare the PD turtles to drawings and paintings, no matter how skillfully they are executed. Chances are they would face much of the same criticism as the PD turts if their fate was to end up in this movie.

I did an Edit of Movie Leo if anyone wants to look

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I'm hoping that he only uses the sunglasses for the day scenes. Which would actually make sense since he's used to the dark.

They don't fall off or brake when he crashes into the hummer so my guess is that they are made of metal and are stapled to his skull.

"More like bullet resistant, but it still hurts like a bi-- Wait, who's this guy?" --Mikey

The more I thought about it, the more I'm okay with bullet resistant shells. Turtle shells can withstand quite a bit (2300 lbs of pressure from a crocodile's jaw was unable to break/crack a turtle's shell in one example I found. Photos were kind of funny). I just think it should be able to deflect at angles and leave chips and scratches on the shell.

Or maybe we're all wrong and the humvee is really made of fiberglass.

On another note, Donnie's must be rigged up the same way Raph's are. His don't move a beat while he's sliding down that snow mountain.

you can find him im not going to single him out so you can patronize him, as far as i know he will not be able to say anything till after the movie is released

But he does seem bummed out people are tearing the designs apart, IM seriously shocked My self people would be so flippantly aggressive about the looks

Well then he should come out and defend some of the stupid choices he made...