Which series did Shredder the most Justice?
 

Out of any of the series which one would you say did Shredder the right amount of Justice?

If it weren't for how little we see of Shredder in the 2012 series, I mean each couple of episodes he's in he's pretty awesome but too little. I know I sound like a 2003 series fan all the time braging about it LOL But I relly do feel he was a threat and had a good dose of screen time.

What do you guy's think?

I like human shredder. So out goes 2k3. And while 80s was cool, 2012s shredder is just awesome. His voice is terrifying, his design is sweet, and his rivalry with splinter develops him as a character, rather than just being a dick.

And I know he hasn't shown up all that much, but we hear from him in almost every foot based episode, mentioned in most others, and still feels like a major part of the show. Plus since we don't see him do too much, the 3 fights we've seen of him have been epic.

Too bad there's not an "other" option, or I'd take that. So far, the version I think that has done him best is IDW, although I really DO like the 2003 one (but in his human persona, not as Ch'rell).

None but the 2012 has come the closest to bad he doesen't do anything...
2k3 loses becase **** ch'rel...

early 80's shredder and Dregg era shredder... rest of the time he is too whiny... personally i think movie shredder is the best for sheer badass-ness...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fBZBt_zyPt...s1600/22-3.jpg
This scene cements IDW Shredder as the king of all Shredders...

Easily the 2012 one. Shredder was never an Utrom, so out foes 2K3. And as much as I love the 80's version... he was a joke, but this was a comedy show where even the bad guys are throwing out one-liners and bad puns, so while we can't blame him for being cheesy, he's still not a good Shredder. 2012 is the best one we got so far.

Either 1st movie or IDW. Nick doesn't show up enough for me to really care. I do like his voice on the other hand.

I agree the IDW version is shaping up to be the best incarnation of Shredder.

As much as I love Mirage and Movie 1 Shredder, they were too short-lived to be much of a threat.

IDW is very mystical and mysterious.

Since it's not an option, I go with 2k12. I never liked 2k3 Shredder ever since it's revealed he was a slimy alien blob.

Season 3 Shredder was still amazing even with that knowledge.

That's one thing we can agree on. Imagine that!

Doesen't that ruin that Shredder for you? I can't separate it...
besides they gave him red glowing eyes and made him sound like a demon, he was just to much evil even before the alien slug, for me at least...

Only the cartoon versions of Shredder?

Easy, Nick Shredder.

As far as the cartoons go, I think I'm going with 2012. I love the voice. That was the first thing that stood out to me. Kevin Richardson just knocks it out of the park. Hearing great things about the IDW Shredder, so I'll have to start reading that one with my brother or my better half once Summer is in full swing.

The 2k3 shredder was cunning and had actually things to do other then spending all time and energy on revenge. The 2k3 shredder acted more like a kingpin while this one feels like saturday morning villain.

2k3 Shredder all the way. He had everything a good villian should.

He had an evil voice, he had a very good theme, he had great lines, and plus he doesn't just want revenge all the time like 2k12 Shredder does.

I never realized how much hate there was for Utrom Shredder. I prefer a human Oroku Saki as well, but it was an interesting twist at the time (it sort of "combined" Shredder and Krang, in a way) and I could get past that to see him portrayed as truly dangerous, cunning, and ambitious. It also helped that he was tied into the Turtles' origins in a sense, being that his actions marooned the Utroms on Earth, which actually added something to the arch-villain dynamic.

That said, the Nick version is a close second. His back-story and rivalry with Hamato Yoshi is probably the best version yet - considering this is a cartoon show intended for kids, his actions (re: Karai) are surprisingly twisted and manipulative. I just feel like the character and that story hasn't reached its peak yet.

The '80s version is great in his own right (James Avery's voice acting was excellent), but he was primarily a comedy character, especially as the show went on, so I don't really think he qualifies like the others do.

2012 is more like how Shredder supposed to be then 2k3, but the 2k3 was more complex even with his generic evil storyline... Which has a lot to do with 2012 Shredder being so rare in his show. I'd much rather see 2012 Shredhead fighting with the Turtles, then goofy villains like pizzaface, derpril or that sparrow ad&d dude...
Tho 2k3 definitely did justice to the foot clan most by having Foot Elites, Foot Mystics and Karai for the first time on a show. The also adopted a good chunk of Mirage Shredder releated storylines.

Overall, Movie 1 Shredder was definitely a best one after IDW Shredder. Even with all the PG-13-ism that Nick forces on them, IDW has the best villains out of all TMNT incernations so far.
Archie Shredder was also notable with his Captain Coldish way, of having a 'code of honor'.

I voted for 2k3 Shredder, but 2013 can easily be a better one, if they give him more role.

This thread is for series, not comics. Otherwise we would have to go with Mirage since that's where he began.

The thread simply asked which series did him the most justice, so that was my answer. If I had to go with ONLY cartoons, I'd say 2K3/4Kids, as he was by far the most threatening and dangerous in that. Nick is good SO FAR, and I like his ties to Splinter, as well as his twisted use of Karai, but for me, Ch'rell's human persona simly stands out as far more of a threat overall. He laid waste to entire PLANETS! And apparently had designs on Earth, as well. It was a really interesting twist on Shredder to me, and a nice merging of Shredder and Krang.

BUT, since it simply said "series" (ie, comics are also a type of series) and it wasn't on the list, I chose the IDW version as the BEST so far.

I didn't know that. I thought series usually referred to TV Series. I think I appreciate IDW the most, but I also enjoy the ties held by Nick as well.

IDW ftw and 2nd place goes to 1st movie shredder.

I voted 2k3 but it's pretty close. 80s has the best design, but was written too comedic. I prefer human over Utrom Shredder and the 2k3 design is a bit too hulking. 2k12 is written well but I'm not a fan of the design, the oversized gauntlets are silly.

I gotta say, I whole-heartedly agree with this one... all those other Shredders are just imitatin'. :P

The original movies/Next Mutation progressed a lot like the OT. The first movie was similar to the first season with Shredder not just a threat, but with more justice than the OT's ever was, ending with a well-deserved knockout by Splinter. SoTO's was like the middle seasons of the OT where Shredder started with some decent plan, only to let it collapse in a stupid way. The Next Mutation was the worst and felt only like a parody.

Mirage's Shredder was just too weak, but at least when he returned meant some edginess.

In terms of the TV series, Nick is still a work in progress, but I'll have to go with that. Shredder is no goofball like in most of the OT but recovered nicely from a defeat in the Season 1 finale. He cares about failure and when in battle with the Turtles, has just as dramatic fights as with the 4kids series. Now 4kids perhaps had the best absolute arcs and dramas in terms of development, but with Shredder being an alien TWICE just plays down the human Oroku Saki element and demotes it into just a robot. It was interesting to have Karai as Shredder. The Tengu Shredder though made up for this even if the story was awkward.

But if IDW was a choice, I'd vote for it.

2012 Shredder has done almost nothing thus far other than give out orders that then proceed to fail. I'm not convinced he's even all THAT much of a threat or obstacle, honestly. It seems like all he really has over the turtles is numbers, and most of his henchmen are ineffective, insubordinate, or forced into their role anyway.

80s Shredder is similarly useless, although he had his moments now and then where he at least seemed like he could do something smart/well if he wanted to. He fell into the same trap of giving orders to idiots so he rarely succeeded at anything.

2003 Shredder had a very successful criminal empire for a long damn time until the TMNT came along. He managed to be a public figure, criminal super villain, and secret alien for years? decades? centuries? apparently unopposed until then. As far as cartoon enemies go, the battle with him lasted a long time without feeling super stagnant and repetitive with a lot of back and forth wins and losses from both sides. Good TV. Eventually the show failed to just let it go though and gave us a parade of more Shredders instead of moving on, which was lame. But ultimately out of the three he's gotta be the most intense and fun to watch so far. 2012 might be able to pick up the pace eventually but I have my doubts.

I think I like this new 2012 shredder is more tougher to me he is more Bader and I cant wait to see how the new movie one will be like. but I agree with FC 03 Shredder is cool but he was not tough to me cus when he comes out of his Suit he is a small brain thing.

A toss up between Ch'rell and Tengu Shredder from 2003.

i want to compile every one of your posts, print them, bind them in a book, and pass it on to my children, and their children.

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I still say the 2012 version. When I think Shredder, I think a Japanese crimelord with an army of ninjas that runs New York. Not a world-conquering alien. I admit 2K3 Shredder was more grandiose... but Shredder wasn't meant to be. It's like having the Kingpin conquer planets or the Joker destroy planets. In that aspect, the 2012 wins by a landslide.

2k3 Shredder

In addition to being the most competent Shredder, I like the fact that there was a legacy behind the name of Shredder.

They all did Shredder justice given their respected medium and type of cartoon that they wanted to portray. But my preferred version of the Shredder is 2012 Shredder.

I like Shredder to be human. so that takes out 2003 Shred. Also the voice actor for 2012 Shredder is much better.

I like for shredder to be serious to so no 1987 SHredder either. I love the character though.

I love how gone Shredder is. A man scarred and obsessed. His mannerism can at times be like a horror character and he's still cool. He's gone enough so that he has a kind of mysterious boss kind of feel but he's a around enough so that you get to enjoy the character. When he arrives, it always seems like a big deal, and he's the only character I know to great some like this... "Bradford! You look terrible!." He just doesn't care to hide that he's a bad guy.

Perfect response...this ^_^ plus I don't like my Shredder being incompetent and an idiot like he was in the '87 toon. He was also a more stereotypical 1 dimensional "evil for the sake of being evil" villain. Loved the '87 toon, but not exactly deep story telling.

The Shredder huh? Well there is a certain detail about him that we need to consider when discussing him and it is in regard to his initial appearence, namely this little incident:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_j-8ozhwdf...20_TMNT_02.jpg

Yeah just keeping him alive for more than one fight is technically messing around with him and to be honest, the Shredder is kind of the best when you do have a little fun with him. Since the Shredder was never intended to be that big of a deal and the fact that "dude with ninja skills and spiky armor" is kind of boring in a world with squid aliens and a valley girl time godesses means that regular human Shredder would have no purpose. That's why when he came back for the second time, he did so as a shark monster.

Anyway, Demon Shredder, the writers actually had the balls to put subtext of rape into one of his quotes, in a kids' show mind you!

Whether he was an Utrom or human, I don't think that takes away from his solid and downright ruthless portrayal, which totally aligns with the source material. 2K3 Shredder is relentless. He gets my vote from the options above. I think 2012 could one day surpass him when all is said and done, but as it is at this point, for me at least 2K3 takes it.

4 Kids, until it was revealed to be Ch'rell.

1990 Movie is my all time fave version of Shredder though. The guy was genuinely scary without yelling or any over the top stuff. James Saito did such an awesome job, the guy just oozed danger, you can dub anyone's voice but you can't replace the subtle non verbal things he brought to the role.

By "justice" I was thinking you meant him reaping the just punishment for his crimes. In that case I went with the 1980s, since getting stuck with Krang and his bickering must have been an awful, awful existence.

I like the Nick Shredder the best , he's twisted and he has a pretty good back story. 4kids Shredder is too one-dimensional for me, he's just another 'rule-the-universe' bad guy and I think making him an Utrom is completely unnecessary, it doesn't really help his character at all.