Now that Retromutagen has been discovered...
 

As we all know, Donnie has discovered retromutagen doesn't that put Donnie's life in danger.

We have seen villains such as Baxter Stockman and Rahzar going after the Retromutagen when they realized it existed.

So yeah there are going to be mutants and people associated with mutants who are going to learn that a cure is possible. And will want the cure for themselves or forcing Donnie to make it for them.

But there are also other mutants who are happy with what they have become. Some to the point where they feel the existence of retromutagen, and someone who can create it is a threat to their way of life.

And then we have people like the Shredder who is wanting to create a mutant army. The existence of Retromutagen would be be a threat to that army.

What do you guys think?

Definitely is a serious situation for all parties involved, especially Donnie.

Also for all the people that read the TMNT New Adventure Comics, they have teased in those that Donnie wishes he was human, feeling that it's his only way to win April. When he first made the retro-mutagen in the show, though I know they've kept all these incarnations fairly separate, I also felt at some point they may tease the same thing in the show.

In those leaked storyboards, he does compare himself to Bigfoot, so it's possible he may start to get those vibes.

Wow - yeah, that would be really interesting to see!

I think this is the most likely and the biggest danger to Donnie's life. Most of the mutants in this category are Foot Clan members, and they will be paying extra attention now that they know the Turtles are able to come up with a cure. What also adds to them being extra dangerous is how desperate they likely have become. Once they know that Donnie has whipped up another batch, they won't hesitate to use whatever means possible to get the retromutagen, even to the point of turning on each other and any bystander who happens to get in their way. It's why I'd hope that Donnie tries to cure Timothy first and any other human-based mutant who is safely hidden below ground, because once he and the others start trying to tote the stuff above ground, all hell ends up breaking loose once a Foot mutant gets wind of it.

I have a feeling that most of these will be animal-based mutants and not human, since retromutagen would mean a risk of them returning to a dumb animal and losing what enhanced intelligence (and likely extended life span) they have. But unless they are active threats to the Turtles or anyone else, I can't see the Turtles demutating these without their permission. I could see Newtralizer feeling threatened, but that's only if he was ever an ordinary newt instead of a Kraang creation or even an alien.

Well Splinter has essentially said no to the retromutagen.

Newtralizer isn't a mutant, he's an alien.

Slash wouldn't want it since he mutated to be an ally to Raph, now he's his own person.

Leatherhead I don't see wanting to be cured either. So yeah, he'd refuse the offer.

that leaves Rockwell, Snakeweed, Spiderbitez, Sir Malachi, Ice Cream Kitty, Pete the Pigeon Man and Mutagen Man.

Spiderbitez might want the cure, but I can also say he'd want to make money off it because he would think Mutants would pay to have the desire to be human again.

Snakeweed was pretty happy with his mutation after he learned he had regenerative powers.

Sir Malachi-Unknown. Might like the chance to return home to his family and play his Mazes and Mutants game with other people again. And he'd still be able to maintain a friendship with the Turtles.

Ice Cream Kitty: Splinter I think would want that cured just so they wouldn't have the cat any more.

Pete the Pigeon: He'd want the cure as he expresses displeasure about what he'd been force to turn into at the hands of the Kraang.

Rockwell: He certainly would want to be human again as his humanity was taken from him.

Mutagen Man: I stand with the people who feel his ending may not be a happy one. It was mentioned more then once that Donnie is responsible for the him, but Timothy is the only mutant who is purely mutagen. Is it possible for him to regain his humanity?

The Squirranoids, Roach Terminator, Wasps- They aren't any more intelligent then they were before they were mutants. They are just more dangerous.

As for the Shredder's mutants. Rahzar, Fishface, and Baxter Stockman. Yeah they would fight one another to get their hands on the mutagen.

Tigerclaw: He is driven by his hatred and I feel he has come to accept his form and it's advantages. So he has no interest in the Retromutagen and he is more likely to see the Retromutagen as a weapon the turtle's could use against him. Unless he is able to acquire it as a weapon against them.

^^^ It's why I mentioned that most animal-based mutants (by this, I mean those that were animals before mutation) who are threats to them and others would dislike the Turtles having retromutagen. Not allies. Allies are likely to remain as they are ;)

As for those that are human-based, then it's always a mixed bag. I could see Tigerclaw wanting to remain thus as he was mutated as a boy/child and thus knew no other life, but for all we know Splinter might change his mind now that Miwa/Karai learned the truth. He had mentioned before that there wasn't anything left for him to want to get turned normal again, but who knows now with recent events.

Given that Donnie's more of a pacifist, you have to wonder if he'd ever float the idea of offering a trade/potential truce to some of Shredder's mutants - he gives them some retromutagen to change them back and they don't work for the Shredder anymore. Even if they did go back on their word and kept fighting on Shredder's team, the Turtles would at least have fewer mutants to fight. I can see it being an idea that Leo would be down with.

You know, I like the idea of Donnie maybe sub-consciously wishing he was human just to better his chances with April. It'd be interesting to see another turtle going through that. Despite the episode being, well stupid, in the OT there was that ep where Mikey wished he was human so he could hang out with other kids and do things human kids could do. He became human thanks to Shredder's scheme and Mikey realized he liked being a turtle way more (but as I said, it was stupid....he couldn't fight anymore while human). So yeah...

I hadn't thought of Donnie being in danger and I actually do hope they go somewhere with that. Baxter and Rahzar know that he knows how to make retromutagen. It probably won't be long before they let it slip or others find out about it.

Yeah, I hope the writers make a plot/story about this. It would be interesting in my opinion to see which mutants want to be turned back to normal, and them trying to steal the retromutagen from the turtles. Bonus seeing how this affects Donnie since he's the creator, and thus the most likely to be in danger because of this.

Well, Kirby is now back to normal. Karai is likely to be Donatello's next priority to de-mutating (sorry Timothy:(). Is it possible for the turtles to sneak into the Kraang's headquarters and steel some mutagen so that Don can create more retro mutagen?

Have him make a dartgun or whatever that can deliver the retro in a weaponized form, use it as protection / leverage against mutants that mess with him.

It depends on how lucid Karai is. If Karai is a mindless mutant, then yes he would have to return her to normal. But if she has or is able to get more or a cognitive grasp on what she is, then she can decide on whether she wants to return human or remain a mutant.

Karai can go back and forth. She's probably got no problem (maybe she could teach herself how to control it).

I think the idea of Donatello being the turtle everyone wants to get the most might be cool to see. I wonder what effect it could have on Donnie. Also, I think the mutant who wants to be cured the most is Baxter for sure, he seems desperate to be a human again.

We'll we have been getting a number of SaiNW references lately (Mikey getting his arm slashed, Raph getting venom in his eye) and there has been a number of Good Gene's references as well. (Shot focused on Donnie when Leo says "Before some random joe gets mutated, the fact second mutations are possible, and of course the hinted risk where Donnie is jumping over the mutagen vat in slow-mo)

So maybe there is an event in the up coming season where Donnie makes retromutagen to cure Karai. Stockman gets it's and knocks Donnie into a vat of Mutagen or somewhere where there is mutagen in order to get it. The other Turtles are able to get the Retromutagen back, but they are left wondering if using it on Donnie would return him back to normal or would it return him to being a normal turtle.

You never know. She might end up starting to go insane from it and become a danger. Also even though she's getting a mutant figure doesn't mean she'll be a mutant for a while. They put out LARP figures even though that was only for one episode.

Even though Karai can shapeshift, I still think she doesn't retain her humanity. You literally see her hissing towards the end which I think signifies she's still retains her mutant characteristics. I'm confident Donatello would want to cure Karai if it means having a healthy relationship with Splinter.

Do you think Donnie could ever make a mutagen vaccine to prevent mutations using April's DNA to protect him and his brothers if they ever come in contact with Mutagen? Like an antibody? Think of it like a flu shot. That helps to protect one from getting the flu.

Ooooh, that would be pretty cool. I'd like it if they did that. I wonder what Shredder and his 'gang' would think of something like that.

I get the feeling something like that would be dangerous in the hands of shredder (a paper clip is also dangerous in the hands of Shredder, and a piece of paper, and a teddy bear, and, well, everything) and he would most likely use it on his mutants so that they cannot be demutated.

The problem for him is this: what if shredder makes a mutant more powerful than him? One who could take him down with ease, once and for all? What would shredder do, he can't de-mutate them. Would he drink some mutagen and become The Super Shredder?



Not to mention Leo would be devastated if Donnie did nothing, and all four of the turtles were not at all happy about what happened.

Yea, the same thing happened with Kirby, they made a Kirby bat figure, and then demutated him.

I think the end of the episode shows she has a lot of problems.

Well, we thought Bradford would be pretty powerful after his second mutation. A couple of us even theorized that he as Rahzar would try to challenge Shredder for the Foot leadership, but sadly he never did and he got progressively nerfed, especially after Tigerclaw showed up. Plus I doubt Shredder would turn himself into Super-Shredder, that's a bit of a stretch for him because he'd have to really doubt his abilities, which I don't think he does. Also I don't think he'd want to become a 'freak.'

Now that Karai's mutated, I could see a moment where Leo is pressuring Donnie to take the retromutagen. And then when Donnie reminds Leo he's working on it as fast as he can but he is going to need to be patient.

And then Leo sticks his foot in his mouth and says "If you hadn't wasted your first batch on April's father we wouldn't be having this argument!"

Baxter Stockman's ego makes him believe that he's a lot more competent then he actually is. And being mutated into a fly his intelligence is slowly going. So the knowledge that one of the Turtles can make Re

Rahzar wants to be human again as does Fishface. Rahzar also knows that Shredder wants a way to return Karai to normal. As such he can't return to human without tipping off Shredder that he has found away to turn human behind his back.

And given that animatic of the mutations of Bebop and Rocksteady, those guys are going to want to have a way to return to human.

So I would believe that Rahzar will be paying Donnie a lot of attention. So that way when Donnie has the retromutagen with him, Rahzar can take it from him and injure Donnie or someone in a way that everyone would have to worry more about him then the Retromutagen.

I don't see Shredder keeping Donnie prisoner and forcing him into making Retromutagen.

Because 1. Shredder doesn't trust anyone. Anyone who sides with him are tools and weapons. Not friends. And he is willing to throw them out with the trash when they no longer have a purpose to fill. So he knows Donnie wouldn't just make Retromutagen for him. If Donnie's bros are also taken prisoner and every time he stalls one of them suffers. That's another story but that is more fanfiction then anything.

2. Donnie is more likely to omit that he needs April's DNA for the Retromutagen to work. That way her life isn't put in jeopardy.

3. Donnie is more of a threat to Shredder's mutant army. And having someone who is able to create a way reverse mutations would give the Turtles more of an advantage then anything. And often in battle tactics it's a wise idea to take out the healers first not the leaders. So it would make more sense for Shredder to order a contract out on Donnie's life if not eliminate him himself.

I wondered why there was so much fuzz about giving Kirby a shot with the whole cannister when a single drop on his head turned him back human.

The whole single drop thing was a McGuffin. Realistically one drop my have restored some of Kirby's intellect, but it wouldn't have returned him to human. He was only restored to human because they wanted to show that Donnie had indeed discovered retromutagen and the Writers didn't feel the plot could allow Kirby to remain as a mutant bat.

And plus there would been some passive aggressive tension coming from April and possible beginning signs of her depression when accepting that things are never going to be normal but that kind of stuff is not interesting for the writers to explore. More action and less soul searching

They may as well have left Kirby as a mutant bat though, because no sooner does he get turned back to human than he gets Kraanged. When they keep coming up with excuses to keep him off-screen, it makes me wonder why they bothered having him on-screen to start with; why not just have them mentioned but never seen, like Casey's family?

Or this non existing aunt of April that I keep hearing about?

It could be also that the retro-mutagen creates a 'cascade effect,' deconverting all of the mutagen that is present in the body. You don't nee much mutagen to mutate, and thus might not need much retro-mutagen to demutate.

The Retromutagen is questionable to say the least, but I guess that ultimate purpose of it is to give all the poor sods who got turned into monsters a happy ending, this is a Nick cartoon after all.

Shredder could use the retromutagen as a baited carrot to get mutants to work with him. And the people he purposefully mutates he can make it feel like being turned into a human or being a human is a fate worse then death.

If being human again is a fate worse then death, wouldn't that make the retromutagen bribe kinda useless? ;)

The only person Shredder truely wants restored to human is Karai.

He knows some of his minions want to be human and yes he can hold the retromutagen as a bribe.

But he can also make his minions feel that they are better off as mutants, so being offered the Retromutagen in order to be returned to human should be a punishment that should be reserved for their enemeies.

But then if he makes them think that they're better off as mutant then he has no leverage over them. What's his purpose in keeping most of them mutants if their mind is unstable and making them hard to control?

Take Steranko and Zeck as an example. He mutates them as punishment for trying to hunt down and capture Karai.

Staranko even tries to convince Shredder that he's be more use to him as a human. And from the sound of things the Shredder threatens to kill them if they don't serve him.

But as humans the Shredder can simply just kill them.

So yeah when you are mutated by the Shredder, you essentually live as a slave of his mutant army. But being human is nothing but death.

It's a little hard to understand but mutating them is a way to psychological dehumanize them? It sounds it justification for him to treat them inhuman, but a man doesn't stop being a man because you say he isn't or rather his biology doesn't determine whether has rights. It's a social construct that you create in your head.

Next thing he going to try to do is make illegal for mutants to do humans things. To not feel human and act like animals. But civilization can not function like this and it fall into a chaotic jungle with no clear order for humans, but it can only work as a ecosystem and without human control, and thus the Shredder will have no clear control.

The Shredder's one true love is power and control. And at the end of invasion Tiger Claw had said the City was theirs.

So mutating his followers in a way of dehumanizing them because animals can be controled. And also the humans of the city won't see them as people, they would see them as beasts and monsters.

So in other words

Shredder is the Damyo if not Emperor of New York City.


The unmutated humans of the City are is subjects who live in fear of his wrath.

And his mutant army and his foot bots are his grunts who to enforce the Shredder's law and judgement upon the citizens of the city.

I don't know why but I'm seeing the parallels of his life and Adolf Hitler's.

This episode foreshadowed the Foot eventually discovering that Donnie knows how to make retromutagen.

In the New Opening theme sequence we see Rocksteady and Bebop crashing against the Party Wagon which has both Donnie and Leo in the front seat.

And this episode Donnie mentions twice he has a batch of retromutagen almost ready. And in the fight between the Turtles and Shredder. The Shredder holds Donnie up by his sholder strap and says "You mean nothing to me."

Odds are likely that when Donnie has the retromutagen ready would be the moment that the Shredder learns that donnie is able to create Retromutagen. And it will likely be a mad grab among the villains for it, between those who want to use it for themselves (Most of the foot clan.). And those who are loyal to the Shredder (Tiger Claw...ATM) Perhaps even the Shedder himself.

Unlike the last mad grab for the retromutagen, this one may need two part episode at the least to add to impact of the events.

I will be very shocked if they don't do a big retromutagen storyline at some point.