Official Episode Discussion S2 #20 "The Legend of Kuro Kabuto"
 

Alright, the saga continues!

So, Karai knows the truth about Splinter being her true father - and the one she Thought was her father has locked her into a prison cell somewhere in his skyscraper headquarters.

Meanwhile, something strange is going on in the building. Things are moving, vanishing... Imagine Shredder's surprise, when his helmet suddenly disappears! No longer able to hide his face, we'll finally see his true face, for all the distortion, old scars and anger that he holds inside from so many years of resentment and a need for revenge.

Kuro Kabuto... his helmet has a special name? is there some sort of special story behind it? Why would someone want it so badly as to risk stealing it from Shredder?

We've got some new questions now, so make up your own theories, and as always...

STAY TUNED!

Okay, so SOME of you can see this episode early.. :) have fun! Poll will be up later tomorrow morning..

2 hours and 30 mins to go. Can I stay up long enough? Guess I better start chugging Crush soda.

I'm going to use Amazon's site this time. I'm curious about the name of this ep, though. Why is it called Kuro Kabuto? At first I thought that maybe it was a name, but since Shredder's helmet gets stolen this ep, I guess it means "Dark Helmet"? Who knows, either way, I'm looking forward to this episode.

Good luck to you this time. I know you had a bit of trouble last week.

*edit* The episode is now up! I'll post impressions shortly.

The Legend of the Kuro Kabuto

SPOILERS COMMENTARY FOLLOW




Very good episode by my accounting. Great new character with Anton, strong action even featuring 4 on 4 at one point, some of the better funny moments we've had this season, even the sound effects felt above average (tiger claw making cat sounds when being hit :p)

Despite this being somewhat of a Leo-centric episode that also features a voice fill-in for Leo, I didn't find it impacted the quality at all. Dominic's voice, while different, fits the character to me.

My rating: A

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I am the best! I beat all the turtles!!! And i got back my helmet!!!

it doesn't help that russian guy's attire is also similar to the new Rocksteady

Great Episode but the ending was too abrupt. That and Leo's voice dragged this episode down but everything else was great!

Finally got another Turtles Vs. Shredder fight and it did not dissapoint. Shredder is still too strong for the Turtles and I like how Leo stepped up to him. Bebop & Rocksteady are already turning out to be fantastic villains!

My favourite bit was the conversation between Rahzar and Tiger Claw, just couldn't stop laughing!

Also, the world-building was very strong in this episode. Loved the Kuro Kabuto flashback, brings back the whole 'ninja' feel of the show!

Overall, very good episode with an extremely abrupt ending - (8.7/10)

What a perfect debut episode of B&R!

I like that they are serious in what they are doing and yet being able to provide comic relief :lol:

B: Wow to the wow!

R: I'm going to pop your head like blueberry!

Baxter lost his voice in this episode. He just buzzes around :D

You guys are lucky!

*waits patiently*:D

For those that saw the episode was JB Smoove the voice of Anton?

Please...stop. I'm begging you...

No i will not stop until i kill the turtles once and for all! No one can stop me!

Yes, J.B. Smoove provides the voice of Anton Zeck.

I haven't seen the episode yet, about to, but since this issue bothers me quite a bit, can someone tell me how different and obvious it is that Dominica voicing?

It's all a matter of how much of an ear you have. It's almost a learned thing.

I felt it was slightly more noticeable in this episode than in Pizza Face, but all in all, it's still similar enough that it's not a big disturbance.

Saw it. Overall, good episode. Not as good as the last one, in my opinion, but better than some of the last few: Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman, Mazes and Mutants, and Newtralized.

However, one thing...

Liking the ep so far. Bebop is basically Fatal Fury's Duck King with sci if tech. I hope he can still toss his laser Mohawks as a mutant.

Honestly bebop is a huuuuuuge change in character compare to just rocksteady being Russian.

I freaking love this take on Bebop. Great design, awesome tech and Smoove is a great choice to provide the voice.

Will we learn where Anton Zeck got the tech?

Great fight scenes between the turtles, the henchmen and Shredder.

Nice interaction between Karai and Shredder.

The dialogue felt very natural - very fluid.

:roll: It really didn't. Dominic's doing fine as a stand-in. This is getting childish. You can't even use loyalty to Jason as an excuse.

Very funny episode as well. It wasn't a case of dumbing Mikey down for cheap laughs - some of the lines were REALLY sharp.

And I found it moved a lot of storylines along pretty cheap, without missing out anything important.

It was never going to beat Tiger Claw coming back but it was a very good episode and a good intro for Bebop and Rocksteady.

Inexplicably weird.

Still watching it but I love how Rahzar and Tiger Claw talk to each other like allies. I remember a lot of people thought Rahzar will not get a lone with Tiger Claw because he sort of took him rank.

All so KillBuzz(great nickname) and Fishface was good to.

Okay, so I have finally watched the ep. It was really nice. I do agree that the Wrath of Tigerclaw was better, though. I like how they debated on saving Karai and Donnie and Raph's reaction to Leo's leader query. It was nice how Donnie was like, "We'll help you." At the end when they appeared at Shredder's hideout was nice. I knew they'd just appear and help Leo. When Shredder brought in Karai, though, I figured it would be a trap. I was expecting it to be a Footbot, actually.

When Shredder sent out those four (Rahzar, Fishface, Tigerclaw, Baxter) to find his helmet, I was expecting them to have a one-on-one fight with each turtle at first...

Leonardo vs Tigerclaw
Donatello vs Baxter
Raphael vs Fishface
Michelangelo vs Rahzar

The way it played out was much nicer though. Oh and I loved the conversation Rahzar and Tigerclaw was having. I liked Tigerclaw's line about how he'd want to eat Fishface because he's a fish and then Rahzar saying he'd want to eat him just to shut him up. :lol:

Now, as for Anton, I like him! I don't know the voice actor though. The name is familiar though. He has an interesting personality and I did find his reaction to losing the helmet and coming back with diapers funny. He still was remaining cool. If the Russian dude is going to become Rocksteady, at least both he and Anton will have a common goal.I was wondering about this after he was first mutated. In the OT series, every time Baxter made an appearance, he was becoming dumber and dumber, like an actual fly. It got to the point that he didn't even know who his true enemy was. I was wondering if Baxter in this series was going to follow the same path. The longer he remains a fly, the more and more he actually becomes one intelligence wise.

If they use Baxter again and he speaks, then maybe Phil Lamar just wasn't available to do any lines, but if he shows up again and he's still acting "fly-like", maybe he's literally "becoming a fly".

Wow, awesome episode. I loved Bebop, but how did he get the suit? It was also nice to see the arms dealer again. Amazing Shredder fight as usual! It was so cool to see Tigerclaw, Baxter, Rahzar, And Fishface working together.



Nice cliffhanger too.

It was almost a given, you can see the glass eye on rocksteady in their mutated pic

It was buzz kill right? So the russian will become rocksteady right? I'll admit that I doubted the pics posted of bebop and rocksteady and thought they were fakes. Turns out I was wrong.

I found it humoring that the arms dealer shows up here, episode 20 of Season 2, being he first showed up episode 20 of Season 1.

I'll be looking forward to his next appearance in Episode 20, Season 3.

Most abrupt rushed 'we're out of time' ending ever.

Good Episode. Here's My initial thoughts:

- Who designed Anton's suit, Joel Shumacher ?

- Was I the only one thinking of Leon the Professional when Shredder said "Get Me Everyone! " ?

- Cool, back story on the foot.

- I love the action sequences between the mutants and the turtles ?

- How did the turtles not kill Anton at the speed they were traveling at in the Shell Raiser?

- The Shredder pulled a Bowser on the Turtles at the end.

- It sure is convenient that Steranko came in to pickup Anton when he did.

Good Episode as to be expected, Though nothing groundbreaking. 8/10

This clearly was an episode that felt claustrophobic in terms of the number of events and mutants present. At least it responded immediately following the Tigerclaw episode with Shredder and Karai's potential fate. It did give a good natural stance on Shredder. That said, it was interesting that the Turtles could never convince that Kuro Kabuto was on their side. This almost had a Night of the Rogues feel with all of the mutants featured, including the future Bebop which I feel has a slick design. It still had room for another pepperoni reference that I thought would leave to another "I crave pizza no more" moment for Michelangelo. At least Karai escaped so it will be interesting to see if she can fully join the TMNT team for the next important battle. That said, we return to a Kraang-centric episode next week. While it didn't feel as great as last weeks, this is still worth watching.

Overall: 8/10

Pretty good episode. I especially liked the interactions between all of Shredder's henchman. Bebop is really cool so far, I hope they explain where he got his suit from eventually. One thing that was annoying about him though, is that he kept saying "hee hee, hoo hoo". I had my doubts about some of the theories that Steranko would be Rocksteady, but as soon as I saw him show up I knew that it was true.

This would've been a great episode if it weren't for Leo's voice...it's honestly just awful. I can't get used to it no matter how many times I listen, sometimes it sounds like an over exaggerated voice, other times it sounds like there is no emotion in it at all. Hopefully the voice actor will get better over time.

So, a good episode all in all. Too bad we're going to have to get back to Kraang plots next week.

Uh...did you watch the episode until the very end?

Actually, we don't know where she is. Most likely still there, but no certainty.

The scene after Shredder left her, she had something in her mouth to start sawing the jail bars. She could have escaped for all we know?

It wa a good episode, not as good as last week but still good but I thought the ending was a bit strange.

Didn't expect the russian guy to be back and has a collection of stolen items, Anton Zeck/Bebob is working for him and he accidently shot Steranko in the eye, yikes!! Looks like Steranko is going to be Rocksteady.
Smoke bombs are back.
Karai trying to break out of Jail was pretty cool.
I like Anton Zeck/Bebob he's awesome, like his high tech gear.
Good to see Baxter, Fishface, Rahzar and Tiger Claw in this episode.
Ouch!! poor Fishface got puched in the face, (why do I have a feeling, Xever is going to turn his back on Shredder).
The backstory/history on Shredder's helmit was great.
Rahzar and Tiger Claw interaction was funny.
Baxter's not talking now?? but was pretty cool that Fishface could understand him
The fight scene with turtles vs the four henchman was great, I love that Donnie throws Mikey into Tiger Claw.
Wow, I loved Leo's reaction when the billboard fell on Mikey, Raph and Donnie.
Funny when Leo's hiding in a bin and had a nappy on his head and then later when Zeck gave the bag to Steranko it was full of Nappies.
Wow Leo vs Shredder, awesome but was too short , I guess they are saving the best till later.
The Turtles vs Shredder was awesome but again too short.
I had a feeling it wasn't Karia due to the description of episode Vengeance is Mine turns out it was a robot/bomb
The ending was strange and felt rushed.

Great episode, but I've got to echo the comments about Leonardo. The voice is good, but the acting is not. He stands out hardcore among the others.

I loved this episode one of my favs of the season so far. Bebop was awesome and a fun character. The ending was great I thought shredder totally pulled a fast one on the turtles, I was not expecting that at all. I even screamed oh sh*t!

haha such an awesome episode, glad I called it about the weapons dealer being Rocksteady!
I knew the designs had been waaaay to close not to be him.
I am shocked they didn't get mutated at the end though.
I've got to wonder now though how they get mutated?
Perhaps after seeing all the other freaks they think they need to power themselves up and get some mutagen.
Unless of course Shredder comes after them and that's how it happens.
Karai is on a mission thought with what she's doing she'll be out of her cell in a year (or in an episode with TV pacing lol).
I really loved all the characters being together here and I can tell Fishface is going to get fed up and leave at some point what with everyone abusing him.
It'd be a really great episode if he comes to Donatello for help.
I did find it odd though that Baxter couldn't talk, I have to wonder if they're going to have him start turning more fly than man (like in the 80's toon).
Over all I really liked this one minus Anton's Michael Jackson laugh so I give it an 8 out of 10 stars.

Good episode. It wasn't too amazing, but I did love Anton Zeck. He will make a perfect new version of Bebop. Though, I don't think I'd be fond of the arms dealer as Rocksteady, but it looks like it will be him. I was hoping for Rocksteady to be a friend of Bebop's like in the original and for him to have a cool voice because I always loved how the original Rocksteady sounded. No more "Say your prayers, toitles"?
I loved the backstory on the Foot clan and the helmet. Perfection.
Dominic was an okay Leonardo, but his voice just bothered me for the entire episode. I'm used to Biggs and even though he is a complete jerk I think he plays Leonardo better. It took me out of the show hearing Leo sound different.
The bomb that looked like Karai at the end was rushed but it seemed like something Shredder would totally do.
I'd give this a 7.5/10. :)