Can Shredder perform martial arts with his Armor?
 

There has been some skepticism over whether or not we will see any martial arts in this film. Mostly with the Shredder and his armor. Could he still be a master martial artist with all the armor on? I've heard that the suit somehow makes him faster. William Fichtner has been quoted saying,

William Fichtner

Just a few videos of Shredder's double.



This second video is very interesting.. Raphael vs Shredder fight. Both doubles facing off :D
WARNING- a few curse words.



This one.. Shredders double, is the one with the short hair.



Honestly.. I think we are in for a few serious surprises. Lets not forget.. Like the turtles, Shredders armor is CGI. So the stunt double will be wearing a Mo-cap suit while fighting.
Maybe there will be fight scenes without the armor. Who knows. But From what it seems.. he will not just be slicing people in half. It actually looks like Shredder could very well be a badass martial artist in this movie..

Thoughts?

I still believe the Shredder we see in the tv spot is really Krang in his android body and the Turtles will have to fight both at the end with Sachs in the ancient Saki Armor.

Just seeing all these martial art demos floating around from the martial art doubles kinda cements that idea.

Let's hope it doesn't look fake as hell seeing a large bulky shredder iron man and hulk sized turtles fight and move as fast as their smaller and more agile comic/cartoon counterparts..... That'll make the movie look even worse.

This makes me very excited! imagining lightening fast martial arts moves, no seriously imagine Shredder moving really fast, and the Turtles are like how do we even hit this guy? it would kinda be like the first movie where the Turtles are huddled together, and Shredder is just standing there waiting for one of them to attack! that would be really cool

I'm more concerned about, can Sachs do Martial Arts or is he completely dependent of the suit to match up with the turtles.

If the suit enhances Sachs abilities, I'm sure he'll be able to perform combat, as long as it's not too flashy and "Hollywood", the suit looks too crude to be able to performance art moves.

Calling other peoples opinions "BS" like you just did in the other thread should pretty much be considered trolling. No one would like it if I came in here saying things like " Better than a pink panther Shredder that looks like Prince fighting four fake ass looking rubber suits" But at this point people are sick of these pathetic arguments and the flame bait that always leads to arguments. But I guess you didn't get enough the past couple days huh?

So maybe we can discuss things like adults without childish flame bait and FOR ONCE avoid starting another thread war.. Whatdya say?

I Love my 90s Turtles, but dude that is just too damn funny!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's understandable. And reasonable. Thank you for responding like an adult.
I'm glad that some understand that it's all about delivery. And you delivered your concerns/opinions in a non flammable, mature manner. If people could conduct themselves this way I think there would be a LOT less arguing around here. Making things a lot easier for everyone to participate.. while also giving the mods a break.

I hope the martial arts is authentic. I wouldn't care for a Shredder that just sliced things and didn't fight. Same with the turtles. Well know in a month and a half

Even though male gymnasts have shown that one can be relatively muscular and flexible/agile, but for the most part I have to agree with this above because wearing metal armor is extremely heavy and taxing on the human body. (It would be like expecting a knight in full metal armor from the Middle Ages able to perform gymnast moves and agility.) It's gonna be very awkward seeing a mortal man doing numerous somersaults in full metal armor. Then again we don't know if Shredder is supposed to be a mere mortal man, and these are supposed to be superhuman, 'roided strong Turtles, so who knows...

If some people want/like that, so be it, but the excessive strength and ostentatious metal armor with jagged blades all over seems superfluous for a Turtle movie I would enjoy. **shrug**

this is kinda my concern as well..if shredder is a mech to fight the turtles and performs martial arts a may come off as super cheesy and fake. when them having to animate a bulky shredder doing sleek ninja moves


i hate to say it but i think we may see more "iron monger smash" than "high ya!"

I think we'll see maybe one or two moves but for the most part, I think he'll just be deflecting hits off his blades and perhaps a counter attack here and there. Just a guess based off a few things I know.

Then why hire a stunt double for shredder whos known for high flying martial arts?

your guess is as good as anyone elses



sadly most times these days hired stunt men arnt used to their potential and become more of a need to be their for the safety of other actors they portray

My main concern about fighting in this movie, that it will consist from "hulksmashes" with few karate moves here and there. Otherwise, the whole point in turning Turtles into minihulks and Shreeder in the Megatron is kind of obsolete.

Besides, I can hardly imagine how this Shreddertron will move fast and at the same time retain sense of weight. If he is really will be presented as heavy as he looks from the pictures, then no acrobatics and no elaborate moves from him. Of couse, if they want to keep this stuff at least partly realistic, which, given some evidences, probably not the case.

WHY do people keep Totally IGNORING all the evidence Right in front of them, William Fitchener all but YELLED at you, that there are going to be extreme martial arts in this movie,

The one live action Video of human tmnt YEAH leo's a stunt double plus All the other stunt people in this movie, for all the turtles

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...ighlight=stunt

and People always just IGNORE it all, or make excuses that there is no way they could have that level martial arts, Seriously I get being pessimistic (not an attack just a way of thinking) But IGNORING whats right in front of you is just ridiculous

its not so much people ignoring it ...at the time fichtner said that we really had no idea of what shredder looked like

and no offense to him but what does he consider extreme martial arts?

the real concern most of us have right now is if this shredder looking the way he does performing flips and kicks look natural in a ninja like way


picture ironman being a ninja in just doesnt work and wouldn't look natural


also remember Dragonball Evolution was said to have extreme martial arts and that it closely followed its source

is he known for high-flying martial arts?

i mean, i get where the "maybe the suits too bulky" perspective is coming from, and i DEF wanna see the shredder get down on some ninja-like fisticuffs, but its not like he's a luchador or something.

maybe the full on super-shredder, crazy-bladed, 2012 shredder armor on steroids is just, like, i dunno...his "final boss" outfit and throughout the movie he uses something a little less bulky.

the gauntlet glove that fichtners wearing in that new pic doesnt look insanely big.

This Shredder is more evil warlord then ninja in this it seems. I have a feeling the stuff he says and the orders he gives..are going to be brutal. I think they really are going to make him dark on a different level, or at least attempt to. I'm just not sold we're going to see him performing a lot of martial arts but I hope I'm wrong. We're not going to see Karl Ruprecht Kroenen here. Well at least not from the sequel.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...08256550_n.jpg
That looks pretty traditional to me

look at things like Elysium were it only enhances everything.


No it really wasn't at all, it started that way but the changed alot by the time the were filming thing that are happening in this movie in no way mirror those in DBE seeing as a religiously fallowed both i can attest to that

sam not sure why your are being hostile..im not saying anything bad about shredder


just that from a visual stand point at this moment i cant see this shredder being a sleek ninja..his body doesnt call for it to me


i could and may be very wrong only time will tell

not being hostile just posting Hard proven evidence, that al but prove at least one point in the movie we can except "shredder" doing hardcore martial arts. Thats it.

As far as what we have seen its all missing context, again Context could be the game changer here, and they are slowly showing context.

You're correct. It's more evil warlord Shredder then what we've seen before. I don't mind it. He'll fight.

http://i.imgur.com/uu1T24F.gif

In that gif he doesn't really look that big. The picture sam posted of his hand actually looks really good because it's simple but then I see this and it just looks extremely bulky..

http://i1.cdnds.net/14/18/618x344/mo...s-shredder.jpg

Anyways, someone claimed there is a line that April says... "Show me what you got Shredder".

It was an interview and she was joking around

the shredder suit from trailer 4 has a slightly different design than the one we have been seeing this whole time.

http://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/...psf428b5fa.png

http://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/...ps03946c9c.jpg

of course he can perform stuff, he is wearing power armor...
That means he can do it even better!

Plus he is going to need it when he is fighting the Olog-hai.
Specially the one that can flip a truck with his stick. Im sure we are going to see all those moves performed in the ending fight against shred and all failing.

Of course he can. I've said so before even as recently as a few days ago. That's not really an issue with me.

The question is will the movie have an in-built explanation for how Shredder-Sachs can fight in such bulky suits or at least draw the audience in enough to get us to suspend our disbelief so it wont look stupid.

Unlikely but is it possible we'll be getting a version of the Shredder Elite here? The twisted, mutated Foot goons that they garbed in Shredder's armor. What is often thought by fans as clones of the Shredder?

Hmmm....better forget I said that. The likelihood of Leibesman and co reading Return To New York is pretty darn slim that it's barely worth considering unfortunately.

It's possible that shredder upgrades his armor at some point in the movie. Or maybe the cgi guys just made some last minute adjustments

Can/Will He? Of course he will, it's a movie.

Would he realistically be able to? Not hardly. Walking in a straight line would be a chore while decked out in all that. But again, it's just a movie, so it doesn't really matter, I guess.

The concern shouldn't be, "Will Shredder fight", it should be, "Will it look horrible, cheesy, and fake?" We shall see. On the whole, not a fan of ShredderTron, Iron Shredder, or whatever other names the kids are coming up with for ol' Edward Shredder-Hands up there. It looks like a guy got dumped in glue and rolled around a junkyard for a while. Guy's got sh*t sticking out literally everywhere, it's atrocious. Tell me he's got a bladed c*ck ring, and I'll 100% believe you. Because why NOT just stick something sharp literally every single place you can, to really hammer home that this guy is, in fact, called "Shredder"?

But anyway, yeah, he'll fight, I just think it might look... odd. Like all CGI characters, he'll probably move *waytoof*ckingfast* so your eyes can't fully focus on the fact he doesn't really exist in a 3D space. Or, as someone else said, they may just have him "Hulk Smash" everything, which would also be kinda stupid looking. I'unno, we'll see.

I have to admit when I saw 2014 Shredder's armor in the trailer, I thought it was a preview for the new Transformers movie. :lol:

I don't know... all the armor is so visually distracting (like some of the Turtles features, but that's a whole other issue we've all discussed) in trying to notice every feature on it. If the movie really wanted to make Shredder "badass", just show some gruesome bloody scenes of him quickly and deceitfully killing the innocent, or his betrayers, mercilessly rather than using this flamboyant superficial approach to emphasize his "badass" character. But whatever...

Don't worry - he doesn't bring that out until the second date. :lol:

:lol: That's terrific.

I'm not seeing the problem with a guy in a huge armored suit doing Ninja moves?

Why would you think that the suit would have to be slow and bulky, and obviously if the guy in the suit didn't know how to do the martial arts the suit wouldn't be able to do it unless it's pre programmed or something.

I guess people have never seen Gundam or any other large robots fighting that don't understand.

And of course it's going to look fake it's a big metal suit fighting 4 mutant animals it's not something you tend to see everyday, I don't know why anyone would think a movie like this wouldn't have lots of fight scenes.

We just need to see a shot or two of him in action. I REALLY am hoping he isn't a Halo brute smashing his steel fists around like Super Shredder. I'd like to see some moves and if they happen to incorporate all of those blades, fine.

They just went overboard with the retractable blades. That's a sellout to me. Shredder isn't Freddy Krueger.

Let's see you try to do a kick or just plain walk a few steps wearing all that hardware. That junk would seriously weigh you down.

Not to mention that on the odd, one-in-a-million chance that, say, he happened to... I don't know... fall down trying to walk, or something... upon impact with the ground, the guy's a deck of f*cking playing cards. :lol:

Shredder: "Blast you, Turtles! I've been sliced to ribbons by my own overly-complicated, needlessly pointy battle armor! I'm bleeding to death from 847 separate lacerations, 63 of which cut completely through to the bone! BLAST YOU!"

Raphael: "Come on, guy. Nobody told you to wear that silly sh*t."

Can someone please tell me when we have ever gotten a flippy, high flying, show off shredder? Hasn't he always been a really traditional fighter? Grounded with blocks, counters, and forward attacking? So why am I seeing people writing about if he is flipping around it might look unrealistic? And They think his suit will just be smash and pound. Could you not block a kick and counter in this suit? Could the suit not do forward attack or perform a high kick? If it is a mech suit, don't all mech suits make the person in it stronger, faster, and more agile? Any answers to the questions that I have raised?

Counter-Question: Was Shredder ever any less effective at fighting in any other version when he was NOT physically living inside of Megatron? Because I think this guy here is (over) compensating for something, with his rakes-for-hands and whatnot.

Less snarky, semi-serious reply: Anyone who's even worn a regular suit of armor can tell you that they're a bitch to move around in, are heavy as hell, and aren't exactly receptive to graceful movements, such as, I don't know, martial arts and stuff. This guy is wearing a suit of armor PLUS the entire surplus supply of Dave's Army/Navy Store strapped to it. Not only must it weigh about 700lbs, but again, if he so much as absent-mindedly goes to scratch an itch, he's gonna accidentally gut himself. I don't care how "It's just a movie and it's bad-ass-looking", it's the most impractical and over-cluttered costume design I think I've ever seen, and I hate it.

You know what it looks like? One of those MAD Magazine parodies from back in the day, when they'd make fun of TMNT and stuff, that Shredder design from the movie looks like something they'd draw to make fun of the character, not be like, "Oh, yeah, THIS is how he SHOULD look!" :lol:

I'unno, just a hot mess. I care less how "plausible" it is, but I do care how needlessly ugly it is. Which is very.

Are we sure that Rob Liefeld didn't have any involvement with the designs for this movie? ;) j/k

'T'would explain much. Although, I"m fairly certain the characters in the movie do indeed have feet.