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Leolead 06-21-2014 10:24 PM

How does the lack of Marketing make you feel?
 
Just wanted to know how it made you guys feel, i makes me really angry!

samxsteal 06-21-2014 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Leolead (Post 1287981)
Just wanted to know how it made you guys feel, i makes me really angry!

I wouldn't actually call it a total lack Flawed yes but not a lack of. I mean they do have the trailers out they're are viewable by the public. Does it suck and is it stupid they haven't the 3rd tv spot and 3rd trailer online in HD yeah it does, does it suck that only one of the BTS nick movie trailers is online Yeah it does, but the point is they are viewable they are out there just not in a way that accessible that's the issue.

im upset because its upsetting other more. I mean im happy iwth what i have seen im patient enough to know i will see it eventually, But it suck that other are upset, Sure i want to see the trailer, and yes even i admit what they are currently doing seems kind of stupid.

But they obviously have something planned why have all this stuff going on all over the world and all that all i can think of. BUt come july 31st and they have yet to release more then we no there is a problem

Cure 06-21-2014 10:33 PM

I don't care. I know the movie exists and I will go see it. All I care about.

IndigoErth 06-21-2014 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Leolead (Post 1287981)
Just wanted to know how it made you guys feel, i makes me really angry!

Calm yourself, ninja... It's a test of patience..

Unless you really wanna pull a Raph or something.

8)

xChri5x 06-21-2014 10:50 PM

Thanks for this useless thread!

snake 06-21-2014 10:55 PM

Every turtle fan I know in real life knows about it.


They all think it sucks, but they know about it.

Zulithe 06-21-2014 11:36 PM

too early to say, I think they would have started it by now if not for Transformers 4, they are trying to focus on it right now and the push for TMNT will come the following week.

They are cutting it close though

Powder 06-22-2014 12:05 AM

Regardless of my opinion of the film on a creative level, I think it's not so much the amount of marketing that is an issue, but rather how poor what they have done is. Lots of recycled stock art (with nonsensical anatomy), bad photoshop jobs, many inconsistencies, being vague about the movie, etc.

Leo656 06-22-2014 12:31 AM

Honestly? It makes me feel thusly: They got nothin', they know they got nothin', and they're so afraid of backlash that they don't even WANT to expose the movie to too many people before it comes out. Try and think back to all the stuff we've seen over the last year about the movie, alllll the different things we've seen that have influenced our opinions for better or worse... and how precious little of that has been anything official, anything we were "supposed" to see. Just leaks, leaks, and more leaks, until finally, they meekly pop out a couple mostly-identical trailers that only serve to be even more polarizing.

I just think it's funny that in like, March/April, people were swearing up and down that Platinum Dunes would be blitzing the landscape with advertising by June, and they haven't. There are only two explanations, both pretty plausible: They're afraid they're sitting on a bomb, OR, most of the money that was cut from the budget came from the advertising budget. And that very well could be, as it's usually the first thing to go.

The movie business is very much pay-to-play. The movies that get big hype do big business, those that don't get the hype don't make the money, it's as cut-and-dry as that. It doesn't absolutely mean the movie is bad, but it doesn't display any confidence at all on the part of the people who made it. Point blank, in the entertainment industry, when you have something everyone's gonna want a piece of, you make damn sure everyone on Earth and beyond knows about it. For whatever else the movie might be, the marketing itself for it has been abysmal.

Refractive Reflections 06-22-2014 02:35 AM

I kind of thought Nickelodeon was taking the promotion/marketing seriously after reading this thread:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=47849

...But the timing is oddly suspicious though for a film's production budget of $125 million with only 7 weeks left to the release date, and the vagueness of the film's details still at this point (as Powder mentioned above).

pennydreadful 06-22-2014 03:13 AM

Honestly? Sometimes... like this:

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Angry_7c0934_660289.gif

But maybe I'm just being an overly entitled fan (haha). :P

Seriously, now that we're at the 6 week mark, I'm calming down a bit - the countdown's nearly at an end; one way or another, we'll get what's coming to us. *shrugs*

Though I can't be held responsible for any bouts of nerdrage which may occur if they pull another paint swatches stunt. :lol:

NinjaPug 06-22-2014 07:45 AM

It's not the lack of marketing that pisses me off. It's the quality of marketing that we're getting. It's like Paramount just used interns for marketing this movie.

CyberCubed 06-22-2014 08:09 AM

The movie is already hated by TMNT fans so they probably figure it's not worth spending money on advertising

Zulithe 06-22-2014 08:13 AM

Lots of transformers fans have issues with the TF films too, they aren't trying to sell the movie to the hardcore fans who they know will nitpick every change, but to the ones who probably remember bits and pieces of it from their childhood and want something action-packed to go see. Also kids.

Xiewin 06-22-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1288122)
The movie is already hated by TMNT fans so they probably figure it's not worth spending money on advertising

I do not hate this movie...

TheSkeletonMan939 06-22-2014 08:28 AM

The very little marketing we do get for this film is complete and utter ****. The trailers (at least the released ones) are non-informative and if nothing else make me want to see the film less.

Overall I just think the studio regrets having ever made this film. It makes me feel like if the company pumping millions into the film doesn't even care about whether it fails or not, why should I think it's any good?

sh3llshocked 06-22-2014 08:28 AM

A lot of people don't hate this movie, but the few that do love to make their presence know.

CharmedSerenity 06-22-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiewin (Post 1288128)
I do not hate this movie...

Neither do I. In fact despite what little we've been getting, I'm excited for this movie.

chrisdude 06-22-2014 08:30 AM

I've never watched a promotional campaign this closely, so it's hard to compare. But I'm not mad. The only thing upsetting me is that trailer 3 is in theaters, but not online.

Seemed like a lot of people were hearing about the movie for the first time, through promos during the NBA tournament. That's late. At the same time, I don't think you need to know about a movie five months in advance to want to see it. The movie needs to be fresh in people's minds by the time it comes out.

But we're not talking about a movie that's had no promotion. This movie has trailers, TV spots, and deals with the X-Games, Crush soda, and that music festival the hip kids like. Heck, I saw a movie promo in Barnes and Noble, the other day. I think people are blowing this out of proportion by comparing the marketing campaign to that of the biggest movies in the world, instead of movies with a $125 mil budget.

And I still don't buy the idea that they're trying to cover up a stinker, when their promos and trailers specifically highlight everything that's been controversial.

CyberCubed 06-22-2014 08:52 AM

The movie will completely tank. I wish there was some way to prevent its release .

Whatswiththeheadbands? 06-22-2014 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiewin (Post 1288128)
I do not hate this movie...

Nor do I...

sethmartin 06-22-2014 09:40 AM

The movie is NOT going to tank. Even if it doesn't do as well as the other summer blockbusters, it's still going to make huge money both in America and overseas.

NinjaPug 06-22-2014 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sethmartin (Post 1288166)
The movie is NOT going to tank. Even if it doesn't do as well as the other summer blockbusters, it's still going to make huge money both in America and overseas.

What do you consider to be huge money?

Bry 06-22-2014 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulithe (Post 1288123)
Lots of transformers fans have issues with the TF films too, they aren't trying to sell the movie to the hardcore fans who they know will nitpick every change, but to the ones who probably remember bits and pieces of it from their childhood and want something action-packed to go see. Also kids.

That's the Michael Bay method. Grab the rights to something the 20/30-somethings have nostalgia for, make "Explosions: The Movie" for the 78th time, cash in.

And if the bar hadn't been raised on this sort of thing so much by the Marvel movies, maybe a lot of us wouldn't be so cynical about it. Because there's a way to truly honour the characters and source material while also making a truly great action movie. You can satisfy the fans and the casual audience at the same time - it just takes a lot more thought and care than it seems like the people making this movie could be bothered to put into it.

TheSkeletonMan939 06-22-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bry (Post 1288212)
That's the Michael Bay method. Grab the rights to something the 20/30-somethings have nostalgia for, make "Explosions: The Movie" for the 78th time, cash in.

And if the bar hadn't been raised on this sort of thing so much by the Marvel movies, maybe a lot of us wouldn't be so cynical about it. Because there's a way to truly honour the characters and source material while also making a truly great action movie. You can satisfy the fans and the casual audience at the same time - it just takes a lot more thought and care than it seems like the people making this movie could be bothered to put into it.

Exactly. The reason the Marvel films have been great so far is that the people running them are comic book fans. They actually like the characters, the story, and the lore. Missteps like Iron Man 3 stem from non-comic-book lovers trying to make these films. They can't.

I doubt Michael Bay or Jon Liebesman ever cared about the TMNT. I bet they didn't even know it started as a comic book rather than an 80's cartoon. They don't care about the property, and just want to make another explosions movie that stupid twelve-year-olds will go and watch. That became clear when some quick and easy sex appeal was shoved in (aka Megan Fox). Fox may be a turtles fan, as someone will no doubt point out to me, but the people running the film likely are not.

ObiWanFan4life 06-22-2014 12:07 PM

I might be alone on this opinion, but I'm puzzled. I'm still going to see the movie, but the lack of effort put into promoting this movie makes it seem as if Paramount has little to no faith in the project. Now granted, this is just MY opinion and Paramount could just be waiting for Transformers 4 to be released, but I still get the feeling that the studio knows that they may have a stinker on their hands and are ashamed of the product.

fridaynightdestination 06-22-2014 12:14 PM

It's annoying. It makes me afraid the movie won't do well. There actually is a chance that terrible looking Step It Up: All In movie might beat it because Step Up, sadly, has a fanbase that is loyal, and half of the TMNT fanbase doesn't even wanna see this movie for some reason.

Chris_a_Bunga 06-22-2014 12:14 PM

you know though... I have seen more for TMNT than I have seen for the new Planet of the Apes... and that is coming out sooner, and something I thought was going to be real big.. I am seeing a lot of Turtles stuff now, seen ad for merch in a Marvel comic last week (which I found surprising), finally seeing the toys, posters, and Crush sodas at the stores.

I think the only reason we care so much is because we want to know everything about it because we are scared it's gonna be really bad, but honestly I'd rather know too little than too much before seeing it. On top of not being very good, The Amazing Spiderman 2 was completely ruined by too much marketing, I literally saw every single spiderman part months before seeing it, and even if I end up hating the new Turtles movie, I'd much rather at least be surprised by what I see, good or bad.

We've seen the characters, in toys and in action.. chill out and wait for the movie dudes.

Chris_a_Bunga 06-22-2014 12:16 PM

...Also I have a pretty good feeling that people are going to want them to stop the heavy promotion as soon as Transformers comes out this week.....:ohwell:

chrisdude 06-22-2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris_a_Bunga (Post 1288262)
you know though... I have seen more for TMNT than I have seen for the new Planet of the Apes... and that is coming out sooner, and something I thought was going to be real big.. I am seeing a lot of Turtles stuff now, seen ad for merch in a Marvel comic last week (which I found surprising), finally seeing the toys, posters, and Crush sodas at the stores.

I think the only reason we care so much is because we want to know everything about it because we are scared it's gonna be really bad, but honestly I'd rather know too little than too much before seeing it. On top of not being very good, The Amazing Spiderman 2 was completely ruined by too much marketing, I literally saw every single spiderman part months before seeing it, and even if I end up hating the new Turtles movie, I'd much rather at least be surprised by what I see, good or bad.

We've seen the characters, in toys and in action.. chill out and wait for the movie dudes.

Apes actually has a comparable budget of $120 million, but I haven't heard anyone weeping about their marketing, or comparing it to the biggest movie machine on the planet...

DioLeo451 06-22-2014 01:15 PM

Honestly it started to bug me but now with July being the full tmnt blowout It just gets me more and more excited like really excited this is pretty rare when it come to most summer blockbusters this happened with Transformers 2007 remember they had teasers and cars on set then as we got closer and closer to the films release they started amping up it's debut same with this film and you know what it was well worth it so idk maybe the lack of things being shown is a good thing means they care they want to take their time make sure everything is perfect

rickwj324 06-22-2014 01:23 PM

That's odd...I've seen quite a few commercials on tv for the new Apes movie but I haven't seen a single commercial for TMNT. If not for the internet I wouldn't have seen a single trailer for it.

Rick

TheSkeletonMan939 06-22-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DioLeo451 (Post 1288293)
maybe the lack of things being shown is a good thing means they care they want to take their time make sure everything is perfect

Ha! They're taking their time, all right.

No, anyone who is interested in promoting their movie would be doing a lot more. If the studio wanted to make sure everything was "perfect" they would have started showing ads for the film a looong time ago.

DioLeo451 06-22-2014 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939 (Post 1288306)
Ha! They're taking their time, all right.

No, anyone who is interested in promoting their movie would be doing a lot more. If the studio wanted to make sure everything was "perfect" they would have started showing ads for the film a looong time ago.

But why know one had any faith in the project to begin with so why go through all that just for a plethora of negative responses?

samxsteal 06-22-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939 (Post 1288306)
Ha! They're taking their time, all right.

No, anyone who is interested in promoting their movie would be doing a lot more. If the studio wanted to make sure everything was "perfect" they would have started showing ads for the film a looong time ago.

If they dont have faith in the product then they wouldn't have soon to be 4 trailers at all they wouldn't have featured it in a tmnt book, they wouldn't have art work and posters and stand-ies in move theaters, they would have the trailers during NBA finals or on nick, they would have the most expensive batch of TMNT lego sets be exclusively movie based

Leo656 06-22-2014 03:02 PM

Faulty logic, though, my dude. They're obligated to try and recoup their investment whether their internal feelings about the movie are positive or negative.

By every single account, WB knew that Green Lantern was going to be a spectacular failure months before it was released (and I actually don't hate that movie). They still went all-in on in it, with a Super Bowl spot, lots of toys, etc. etc. Because hope. Even if a studio makes a movie that they know is likely going to be bad, it's their job to push it, cross-market it, and eventually, make back twice the money they spent on it, even if it takes twenty years to do so.

And again, before anyone jumps in accusing me of saying things I'm not saying: All I mean is, the studio would pimp the movie even IF it sucks, because it's their job. It doesn't mean the movie IS bad. It means that even if it causes Super-Ass-Cancer in everyone who watches it, the studio will stand behind it. Saying "If they thought it was bad they wouldn't have this and that for it" just isn't true.

Bry 06-22-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rickwj324 (Post 1288295)
That's odd...I've seen quite a few commercials on tv for the new Apes movie but I haven't seen a single commercial for TMNT. If not for the internet I wouldn't have seen a single trailer for it.

Yeah, pretty much the same. I saw the TMNT trailer in the theatre once (funny enough, the sound went out), but I've seen the Apes trailer and ads for that movie several times.

TMNT is cooler than MOTU 06-22-2014 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1288380)
Faulty logic, though, my dude. They're obligated to try and recoup their investment whether their internal feelings about the movie are positive or negative.

By every single account, WB knew that Green Lantern was going to be a spectacular failure months before it was released (and I actually don't hate that movie). They still went all-in on in it, with a Super Bowl spot, lots of toys, etc. etc. Because hope. Even if a studio makes a movie that they know is likely going to be bad, it's their job to push it, cross-market it, and eventually, make back twice the money they spent on it, even if it takes twenty years to do so.

And again, before anyone jumps in accusing me of saying things I'm not saying: All I mean is, the studio would pimp the movie even IF it sucks, because it's their job. It doesn't mean the movie IS bad. It means that even if it causes Super-Ass-Cancer in everyone who watches it, the studio will stand behind it. Saying "If they thought it was bad they wouldn't have this and that for it" just isn't true.

Precisely. If they didn't advertise due to low quality, then we'd never see another Adam Sandler trailer again.:tlol:

rickwj324 06-22-2014 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1288380)
It means that even if it causes Super-Ass-Cancer in everyone who watches it, the studio will stand behind it.

Leo... you made me laugh out loud with that statement!! :lol:

ranger_scout 06-22-2014 03:46 PM

When Transformers: Age of Extinction is released, the heavy marketing for TMNT will most likely begin. That's probably what happened with G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra after Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen was released.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1288138)
The movie will completely tank. I wish there was some way to prevent its release .

We don't know what the box office numbers will be like until we get close to opening weekend.


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