"Thor" now a woman....
 

Listen, I'm fine with including more women in the comic universe. I actively advocate for more diversity in comics. THAT BEING SAID, why not just create a different character instead of making thor a woman!? I don't really like this nor do a lot of other fans I've talke to. Thor is my top 3 favorite characters. I'm cool if it's a different character taking over the hammer. Yet, wtf? Why make him a she?! Do not like this at all. What do you guys think?

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/marvels-th...163100746.html

She'll take the title for awhile, could get some good stories, then the original Thor will be back in time for the 3rd Thor movie, while the new character, if received well, will take on a unique identity and her own book, like Steel started off as a Superman replacement. I wouldn't worry about it.

:D cool.

the whole idea reminds me of Wonder Women though XD

Does anyone even read Thor comics? I can't think of anyone other than people who grew up in the 70's.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomi...4/2014-06.html

Apparently more than read the Turtles at least.

But yeah, Thor has plenty of fans, what with him starring in 3 movies in the last few years. The trade paperbacks got good reviews as well. Ive Svorcina was nominated for an Eisner for interior art.

Over the history of Thor, Thor has been a frog, an alien, a blue collar Joe named Thunderstrike, powerless, and "drawn" by Rob Liefeld. But apparently a woman is a bridge too far. Yeah, right.

Seriously, I don't know why people are bothered by this regardless - much as I love the concept, I'm fairly resigned to the fact that it'll die in the neck after everyone refuses to buy it.

This sounds stupid like really really stupid this female Thor is Thor but not Thor I'm confused. Also I'm not sure I could of sworn Storm could wield Mjolnir so this isn't anything new if that's the case. Kinda wished they would explore that a little more would be cool if she became the new Thor for awhile. But Marvel would have to give a **** about characters they don't own the movie rights to. So yeah that ain't happening.

In fact who wants to bet this will last tell Avengers 2 promotion starts and they need a guy that looks like Chris Hemsworth on every cover. She'll lose the Thor name and Mjolnir get her own Hammer be called Thunderstike 2 or 5 how many of those ****ing things there are. Get her own series that will be cancelled in about 8 issues then a year later to appear in whatever event comic there shilling for three panels only to die as cannon fodder. Marvel is so predictable now I'm buying the least I ever did.

Not a fan of Thor being an alter ego, Donald Blake or that dude in Thunderstrike. There should be only one Thor, saying there is a new Thor is like saying there is a new Bruce Wayne. :roll:

Now, if Thor gets genderbent like Loki was for a while, sure why not. There is some interesting stories there I'm sure, although we do have Earth X Thor who is female, and the What If story where Jane Foster gets the hammer and becomes Thordis.

The costume do have some cool bits, but it still got those stupid idiotic boob armor cups. No, just no! A metal armor with boob cups is a hazard for the wearer as the cups will lead any weapon to the middle weak point and kill the wearer, or if the wearers falls down, the metal boob cups will break the ribcage. This is freaking armor basics, and sexist ********. He helmet is cool though, although with the boob cups and revealed thigs, it's kinda a bad combo as all you need is T&A and no face, amirite...

And hey, want some kick ass Norse superheroes that is female, make more Sif stories, y'know, Thor's wife, guess it isn't marvel canon, but it damn should be. And then there is Valkyrie. Or introduce other female Æsir, There is more then just Sif and Frigga, There is even Thor's actually mom Jörð, a Jotunn. Or Freya, as examples.

Of course there will be backlash and of course this won't be permanent.

I admit I'm hesitant on the idea. But, Jason Aaron is on writing duties, so it stands to reason it could be quite good. Really people, if you want to question his ability to write a good Thor story, you need to read Thor: God of Thunder. It is a shame that Esad Ribic won't be doing the art. But from what little I have seen of Russell Dauterman's work, he looks competent.

Hey, I think genderbending characters can be fun. Remember when they did it with Lobo?

http://simonbisleygallery.com/art/biz00287.jpg

Technically, if you include NuLobo, Lobo's been turned into a woman twice. ;)

And Luse becoming Lucy during Poison Elves was just brilliant.

http://www.tgfa.org/comics/elves/ima...s_36_Cover.jpg

Seriously though, why worry about it. It'll last for two years tops, then they'll bring back male Thor and female Thor will get some short-lived spinoff series. It'll be like the time they killed Superman - it won't last, things will be back to the usual status quo in no time. Meanwhile, why not give female Thor a chance? It may end up being really good.

I'm happy about this! Love how Marvel is paying attention to the lack of female heroes out there and trying to fix it.

Marvel's been making a lot of weird choices and changes lately. They're stupid and gimmicky(sp?) but it's Marvel. They won't reset but they sure as heck won' leave things alone either.

How much you wanna bet it's Angela?

ZING!

I'm cool with thor letting someone else wield the hammer. I don't like how he loses his name, I mean what do we call the son of Odin now? I like how Marvel is including more diversity. However, this makes no sense. Just let it be a different character.

Oh and I've been reading Thor comics for years now. Lol

I keep hearing rumors they're going to reboot the Marvel timeline early next year, so they're just pulling any old stunt out of their ass knowing they won't stick to it. By the time Avengers II comes out, the original Thor will be back in the saddle

It's more like saying there's a new Batman, of which there've been several by this point.

I don't have a horse in this race, I just love watching fanboys impotently flail in the face of change.

Cry MOAR!

Not really, since Thor is a person (asgardian), this isn't the same as a new Batman or Spider-Man.

Now, a group of Valkyries functioning like åsgard's version of Avengers would be interesting.

Boy, this won't last long. Age of Ultron comes out in a few months, and then everyone will be interested in the Avengers again. People will go in and ask, "Where do you keep the Thor comics?" "Right over there." And then people will look at the cover and say, "Wait, I want to read a THOR comic, not some comic about a lady pretending to be Thor!"

If Marvel's smart (they haven't shown themselves to be with this decision) they'll revert back when AoU comes out. They'll get a lot more sales.

Even if AoU weren't coming out, Marvel would revert back to normal Thor sooner or later - because when has a comic character ever stayed dead? Even Uncle Ben comes back all the time in dreams or alternate dimensions. They brought Peter back for Spider-Man recently, didn't they (though, that was because ASM 2 was coming out, so maybe that's not the best example)?

I like Marvel, I just don't read the comics. Tried to buy atleast one, couldn't figure out what I wanted to read. Anyway, this won't last long. I honestly don't see the point of it anyway.

I guess you could say they're feeling...

a little thor about it. 8)

Oh yeah! :lol:

A wizard did it.




Or Loki.

Well, according to Jason Aaron this will be an all new "Thor." So there won't really be any real gender bending, like when Loki was a woman (hiding in Sif's reborn body after the ragnarok). I also don't think it'll be Angela. If Jason Aaron says this is a continuation of his plans and story from "Thor: God of Thunder", I'm going into this new wielder of mjolnir optimistically. He also stated that the Odin-son will still be around, so I am very curious to see how an unworthy Thor plays out.

Considering how much Marvel plays with time travel like a ragged red headed step child, I'm thinking the new Thor will be one of Thor's granddaughters. Or their mother, or their grandmother... basically I think it's going to be an in the family sort of thing (but not Angela). Hell, it could even be a descendant of Loki.

It would be awesome if Sif had to wield the hammer for a while, and she finally got her golden hair in Marvel canon.

Nobody's dead in this scenario.

Well, he might as well be. The real Thor will be back before you know it.

The male Thor will still be playing a part in the Avengers books, he'll be using an axe instead of a hammer.

So... There is two Thors then? Didn't they say the female Thor was still The Thor?




... Wait. Is Thor now a Disney Princess?

Conversations like that prove exactly how short-sighted and dumb this idea is. I mean, in the end it's just another temporary story that the media is blowing out of proportion like when Superman died, or got new powers... it kills me when they get SO swept up in this, though, because in 18 months not only will everything be back to the status quo, but nobody's ever gonna bring it up again, except to say, "Oh, man, remember that? Oof."

They could actually use those issues to tell "real" stories instead of trying to buy Brownie Points with the PC Police. :roll: Eh, not too many people read Thor anyway. But if Dude Thor is still around, having Chick Thor take over the main book is even more silly. Remember when Superman did that "World of New Krypton" thing in 2010 that took forever, and Superman wasn't in the main books anymore, even though he was still in the DCU and showing up in other books? They had Mon-El carry one book, Nightwing and Flamebird carrying the other book, and nobody at all read that sh*t. People were like, "Why would I buy a book called 'Superman' where Superman shows up on zero pages?"

Likewise, they can call the new chick "Thor", but it ain't. And it's even more "ain't" because the character's still hangin' around! They could have at least "killed" the guy off, but I guess they didn't want to because killing Thor seems like something they do a lot of as it is.

I mean, it's their book, you do have to shake things up and it's their story to tell, but with some things, you don't have to be a genius to have enough foresight to realize that ten years from now, people are going to say, "Why'd they waste their time with that?"

I'unno, both companies the last few years are pissing me off with all the stunts over stories crap. That and the price just really pushed me out of it.

Thor I can...kinda...understand. I mean the hammer does have the whole inscription.

BUT...why not give Sif or Valkyrie more to do? I mean, we have already created female characters, why not develop them instead of making She-Thor?

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on on Sam "Falcon" Wilson becoming the new Captain America?

It's... interesting. Cap has recently become a "Legacy" character, so there's some precedent for it, I just find the timing... suspicious.

The two biggest "Aryan Wet Dream" Avengers get flipped upside-down in the same week or so? I don't knowwwww, maaaaaaan... that's what makes me think the main reasoning behind the entire thing was no more complicated than, "Wow... sure are a lot of white dudes on The Avengers. Could we get in trouble for that?"

I'm not really a Marvel guy anyway and haven't been able to buy comics in a long time regardless, but I kind of shake my head when I hear about stuff like this. So often it just seems so forced and contrived. If nothing else, spreading those two changes out a little bit would go a long way towards making the whole thing seem less like an editorial mandate and more like genuine character/story progression.

Sam Wilson's costume looked pretty cool, a lot better then Thor's female costume, as it got boob windows in the armor and possible a open belly window?

I'll miss the Falcon's abilities....but if anyone should be the "new" Cap I can't think of anyone better.

And the costume is cool.

I'm just gonna leave this right here... ;)

I don't think there's a lack of female superheroes. A lack of spotlight for them? With the exception of Wonder Woman in DC, yes. However, I think Marvel could have just given an established female superhero a "push" (to use a wrestling term) as a main Avenger. However, that wouldn't have gotten the same amount of press as replacing Thor.

I'm not against the idea of a female Thor. I'll give it a shot depending on the reviews. However, the cynic in me sees this as a PR stunt first and foremost. Plus, anyone who has read more than a few years worth of comics knows these changes don't last. Heck, even Barry Allen came back as the Flash after 20+ years.

Yeah, man, there's literally a billion female super-heroes, of every race, color, and religion under the sun. Diversity, or lack thereof, is not the problem. The problem is, the general public only pays attention when there's a PR stunt like this. I'm much more familiar with the DC stable of characters, but Marvel has about twice as many characters as DC to begin with, so I'd assume based on what I've seen with my own eyes that a ton of them are chicks.

The problem is in how they present the characters they already have. You know how many people just assume Wolverine's the leader of the X-Men? I don't really follow their books, but even if he was at some point, I know for a fact Storm has put much more time in a leadership role. How many people know that, though?

You don't need to "flip" characters, and you really don't even need to create new ones. They already have a ton of stuff to work with, but taking a semi-obscure character and elevating them actually takes time and work. "Hey, look! Thor's got tits!" That's easy. And lazy.

The recent changes, and news of changes to come, of Thor and Asgard are likely the right changes. Asgard has just had to leave Broxton, OK and earth itself. It was getting to a point that Asgard had overstayed it's welcome. Sometimes some things need to go away for a little while, otherwise they can begin to sour. Thor can be that way.

Look if Marvel had tossed a random writer onto this, sure, I could understand the negative opinions. But fact is that the guy that's been writing Thor for the past... I think 3 years, who has also been doing an amazing job, is still behind this new Thor. And whatever your opinion on Marvel may be, they do seem to trust their talent a bit more when they've proven themselves to be successful.

Also, if you haven't been reading comics for some time, you've got a limited knowledge on things. You don't have a current understanding on what's been going on or how well they've been done. Like it or not, you've become the same general public that doesn't know what's really happening or has happened.

And so what if things revert? Is it not possible that before they do we get some great storytelling that stands out on it's own? If you get too wrapped up in canon and changes (and fear of them) you can't enjoy something that is good on it's own merits. You certainly can't if you doom it to failure without knowing (or ignoring) the details or even giving it a chance.

I see what you're getting at, but how many times have comics tried some big, dramatic "new direction" that only, at the end of the day, leaves people saying, "Wow, I wish they never did that"? I'm not saying "Never try anything new," but a lot of the times, flat-out bad ideas are obvious on their face, and once they're over, people just look back on the whole thing as wasted time, money and effort.

Sometimes you can just tell certain things aren't a good idea. Doing stories that you already know are going to be overwritten and then forever ignored in less than three years time? That's a really bad way to tell stories, if you ask me. I mean, I guess sometimes you never know until you try it, and it can go both ways, too - "World of New Krypton" was a Superman storyline that sounded like it absolutely had to be awesome, until they dragged it out in the most boring way possible and ruined it. But I think when some things just seem so blatantly designed solely to get some attention, it's already a bad idea.

If anyone looks back on these angles in ten years as anything other than, "Oof, remember that?" I'll be surprised.

Out of everything you just mentioned....the scariest one of them all is the "drawn by Rob Liefield" comment!! I got the shivers reading that.... :o

Y'know what would be very awesome?

if the new Thor was Þrúðr, or Thrud. She is real-life Thor's daughter. Or maybe Torunn, Marvel's Thor's daughter in that animated movie (iirc)

But, Thrud would be great.

Leo, if the PC Police don't regularly receive their tithe of genderbent and racebent characters, I hear they blight your crops and steal your firstborn. :P