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TomWaltz 07-11-2014 10:47 AM

TMNT 36 Preview...
 
RK cometh!

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/ex...6/1100-149239/

Talk soon…

Tom W.

corvus 07-11-2014 10:55 AM

Seems like a pretty Fred Wolf Rat king to me.

Icegaze 07-11-2014 11:12 AM

Seems like a promising start to the chapter. Didn't get a sneak peak of the Rat King though... Wondering if he will just be a one issue character.

MikeandRaph87 07-11-2014 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvus (Post 1301412)
Seems like a pretty Fred Wolf Rat king to me.

Who said that would be a bad thing? 4KIDS is just a clone dressed up like him and Nick's design is Phantom of The Opera opposed to traditional look so the original cartoon is the perfect inspiration. However,all I see to connect the Fred Wolf incarnation would be the flute used to hypnotize the rats opposed to a natural power. We just see The Pied Piper of Hamlet's brief image not The Rat King himself so we don't know what he will look like in the interiror. I am hoping Bobby will follow up on my request to have the character design and what decisions went into his appearance in IDW.

Icegaze,Tom said no character will be used only once as a rule in order to better flesh out each character and make them impact the storyline.

corvus 07-11-2014 12:09 PM

Idk anything about the Nick one. The 4kids one sucked. Mirage is where its at.

AquaParade 07-11-2014 03:37 PM

Wow, Tom!

I don't know what it is but the last few issues along with this preview have been hitting the sweet spot for me.
Can I ask whether or not the recently announced tmnt 3ds game is the very game you are writing the story for?

corvus 07-11-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1301598)
Wow, Tom!

I don't know what it is but the last few issues along with this preview have been hitting the sweet spot for me.
Can I ask whether or not the recently announced tmnt 3ds game is the very game you are writing the story for?

I know what it is. The turtles are in New York, back together. All the cool characters have been introduced and exist and can strike at any moment. Its a perfect period for fantastic stories. Also the contained story format is really appealing to me.

boywonder26 07-11-2014 09:11 PM

Can not wait to read this!!! Its good to see the relationship between Leo and splinter deepen ,and also I love the relationship that's starting between Aprils parents and Casey, I wonder if Aprils parents will step in between Casey and his dad...

Mutant Ninja Anole 07-11-2014 11:04 PM

Now may not be the ideal time to bring your parents into Foot controlled New York, April. But then again we know the Foot can reach North Hampton if they really wish too, at least now you have them where you can see them and try to keep them safe. I wonder if April is hoping to have her Dad help her with anything related to Stockgen?

Regardless, Casey could sure use some positive parental figures in his life. You know, besides the giant ninja rat master.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** 07-12-2014 12:58 AM

I like the fact that Casey started out as a kind of bright-eyed kid in this series, despite having an abusive alcoholic father, and is turning into more of a hothead like Raphael, like he was in the original Mirage series at times. If Eastman does any Raphael and Casey centric filler issues later on, Tom will have set him up to use those characters in a way that he's used to using them.

Eiko 07-12-2014 06:20 AM

Cannot wait, woot love this series. :)

RedRocBoy 07-12-2014 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomWaltz (Post 1301404)

Thank You Tom.:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

Raven 07-12-2014 08:22 AM

You guys are killing me! This looks awesome.

Metropoliskid41 07-14-2014 07:41 AM

Great Preview! I can't wait for this issue!!!

nimajneb 07-15-2014 11:39 AM

Really looking forward to this Tom, what a great day TMNT and The Last fall (which looks awesome btw!) and then wild blue yonder and V Wars next week.

IDW has taken the top spot for me in recent months...

Uki 07-15-2014 02:34 PM

I'm pumped for Rat King; this series just keeps delivering! From Pigeon Pete to this, awesome!

Joey Kamikaze 07-15-2014 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvus (Post 1301671)
I know what it is. The turtles are in New York, back together. All the cool characters have been introduced and exist and can strike at any moment. Its a perfect period for fantastic stories. Also the contained story format is really appealing to me.

Yeah. The book's in its third year and really hitting its stride. They've spent the first few years setting up many of the iconic characters (look how much City Fall alone did for our villain roster) and done nods to a lot of the classic storylines that everyone was clamoring for (the Baxter/TCRI combo of the origin, the war against the Foot, the adventures in space with Krang added in, Northampton, travels with Renet) while adding in the touches that make IDW unique (the reincarnation story, whatever Kitsune's up to, Old Hob). Now we're getting to the point where the book can tell original stories that surprise the long-time fans while still retaining that classic TMNT feel.

This book has been a great slow boil for the first few years and we're finally getting to where dinner's being set out on the table. Can't wait to see what we're building up to in #50.

slingtheory 07-15-2014 05:51 PM

^this. I couldn't agree more. Thank you tom and all the other guys at idw for crafting such an engaging universe that pays homage to what's come before while still being its own thing. Month after month this book does not disappoint and now with so many players on the board its only getting better

Metropoliskid41 07-15-2014 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Kamikaze (Post 1303962)
Yeah. The book's in its third year and really hitting its stride. They've spent the first few years setting up many of the iconic characters (look how much City Fall alone did for our villain roster) and done nods to a lot of the classic storylines that everyone was clamoring for (the Baxter/TCRI combo of the origin, the war against the Foot, the adventures in space with Krang added in, Northampton, travels with Renet) while adding in the touches that make IDW unique (the reincarnation story, whatever Kitsune's up to, Old Hob). Now we're getting to the point where the book can tell original stories that surprise the long-time fans while still retaining that classic TMNT feel.

This book has been a great slow boil for the first few years and we're finally getting to where dinner's being set out on the table. Can't wait to see what we're building up to in #50.

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Originally Posted by slingtheory (Post 1304026)
^this. I couldn't agree more. Thank you tom and all the other guys at idw for crafting such an engaging universe that pays homage to what's come before while still being its own thing. Month after month this book does not disappoint and now with so many players on the board its only getting better

You guus nailed it! Its a great time to be a TMNT comic fan! I absolutely love this series!

SDCC 07-16-2014 04:52 AM

TMNT #36 - Reviews and Discussion
 
Hi there guys,

First up here's my review of #36 at my blog -http://www.superdstuff.com/2014/07/tmnt-36.html :tgrin:

So then, what did you all make of it?

Mutant Ninja Anole 07-16-2014 07:40 AM

I'm on a phone so I'll just say I was definitely surprised by the Rat King's take, and the last page. I'll have a lot to say when I can get behind a laptop, but thumbs up!

Tazi 07-16-2014 09:54 AM

For now, I'm just gonna say that, I'm really happy with the outcome, IDW gave him (The Rat King) the best parts from the previous incernations, while all of that still making a lot of sense in the context of the story.

Good work IDW! :)

corvus 07-16-2014 10:37 AM

I'm slightly disappointed that we won't get an Idw version of I monster because of this version of rat king but at the same time I'm loving it. Especially with his family ties.

MikeandRaph87 07-16-2014 11:49 AM

Design wise a darker color version of the '87 cartoon/Mirage in clothes minus the rags on the face. The hair however while red is Hulk Hogan style. The character portrayal mertis spoilers...
Spoiler:
It seems that Rat King is about the age of The Shredder and refers to dueling diamayo[s in Japan and is the brother of Kitsune. How he himself lived this long or returned like his sister and brother-in-law is not revealed.

What does Leo realize he has to do to beat The Shredder?

Tazi 07-16-2014 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87 (Post 1304634)
Spoiler:

What does Leo realize he has to do to beat The Shredder?

Spoiler:
Remember when people suspected from the CityFall solicitations, that Leo goes double agent, and infiltrates Foot? Maybe, he convinces Shredder hat he is on his side again, he was just confused before.


Or maybe he ment using Krang & Shredder against each other, like Rat King did with Leo & Splinter?

Metropoliskid41 07-16-2014 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87 (Post 1304634)
Design wise a darker color version of the '87 cartoon/Mirage in clothes minus the rags on the face. The hair however while red is Hulk Hogan style. The character portrayal mertis spoilers...
Spoiler:
It seems that Rat King is about the age of The Shredder and refers to dueling diamayo[s in Japan and is the brother of Kitsune. How he himself lived this long or returned like his sister and brother-in-law is not revealed.

What does Leo realize he has to do to beat The Shredder?

Spoiler:

Hmmm....interesting, I haven't gotten a chance to read it yet, but if that's the case, I wonder if RK will be making an appearance in Turtles in Time #2 which is set Feudal Japan??? I guess we'll just have to wait and see next week!

MikeandRaph87 07-16-2014 12:34 PM

The double agent concept crossed by min when reading it but not the other option which I would prefer and might make more sense if both villians are involved.

Edit:Venom,can you combine this thread with Tom's preview and you can unsticky #33's discussion thread.

ChosenOne 07-16-2014 12:35 PM

RK is gonna be one tough cookie to beat when the time comes! He seemed almost omnipotent.

Tazi 07-16-2014 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87 (Post 1304679)
The double agent concept crossed by min when reading it but not the other option which I would prefer and might make more sense if both villians are involved.

If you look at it like that, half of the issue is about Leo and Splinter trying to answer this question: "Who should we focus on first, Shredder or Krang?"
And then the answer is likely: "They should focus on each other"

Would make a lot of sense in context of the story. ;)

Mutant Ninja Anole 07-16-2014 01:17 PM

A few things now that I can type:

Spoiler:
I'm not as well versed in TMNT lore as some so I know little about the Rat King aside from his old cartoon appearance. Making him an entity similar to Kitsune, with his own agenda, is certainly an interesting way to go as it adds another layer to the massive number of sides in this battle, and leaves us with the unsettling feeling that everyone, heroes and villains, are being manipulated by something else.

Seeing Krang and Shredder together at the end was a bit of a surprise given the end of Utrom Empire. But then we don't really know how this is all going to pan out. I've sort of assumed Shredder and Krang will eventually end up in their cartoon status of "Allies who hate each other" at some point but Leo may be taking the Rat King's subliminal message as an idea to have them fight each other.

The visual repetition of the dream sequences was a nice touch, letting us know, without showing it, that Leo and Splinter were actually facing each other. As impressive as Leo was for immediately recognizing he was being manipulated, he was almost too smart for his own good when he injured Splinter assuming everything was completely fake.

I'll repeat what I said in the other thread that bringing April's parents into New York at this time might be something they regret, although April's father may know something about the ooze that can help them.

Joey Kamikaze 07-16-2014 02:52 PM

Holy crap! So re: the RK's "family"...

Spoiler:
The Rat King and Kitsune are "siblings." By that I take it they're similar demon-like/elder god-style beings who have been wrangling for control of Earth for eons. My long-running hunch has been that Kitsune is more than she's let on and she's just using Shredder; guess this is more or less confirmation. But the big thing that stands out to me is that there are presumably more beings like the two of them still to come. Here's to hoping Kitsune and the Rat King have a brother called Null who likes to pose as a human businessman. :D ...Seriously though, after this issue I feel like that would be the perfect way to work him into this series.


Re: Shredder and Krang...

Spoiler:
We knew it had to happen eventually, right? I can't wait to see how defective their partnership is, however brief it may be. I don't know that I expect them to be like an old married couple a la the cartoon, but I'm hoping they spend a few panels before #50 bickering with each other just for old time's sake. And of course I assume this is an alliance doomed to go down in flames, probably in spectacular fashion, whether the turtles interfere or not.


Seriously, this one issue just made it clear there's another whole faction that's been working behind the scenes the whole run and they're just coming into focus. And it all fits because the foreshadowing has been there since at least SHotFC. Hell yeah.

ToTheNines 07-16-2014 03:55 PM

Crazy good issue, this series is definitely hitting its stride.

It hit me like a ton of bricks when I realized who he meant when he said "my sister's handiwork". So awesome.

Spoiler:
What Kitsune actually is was the last major mystery in the series that hadn't been addressed at all, and I had honestly kind of forgotten about that. I'm glad that it won't be long before we get the skinny on that as well as what was going on between her and The Iron Demon back in the day.


I'm glad Splinter still plans to "destroy" Shredder. Hoping the payoff is good. I would like a head lopped off, but will settle for another finishing move I guess.

Icegaze 07-16-2014 05:05 PM

Mesmerizing issue. Totally unexpected and totally worth it.
Thank you so much IDW for publishing this TMNT series. I was wondering what use the Rat King would be in just 20 odd pages of one issue but now I have my answer.

Epic stuff to come.
And my fav Leo got to shine a little so that was the cherry on the cake for me.

Redeemer 07-16-2014 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvus (Post 1304585)
I'm slightly disappointed that we won't get an Idw version of I monster because of this version of rat king but at the same time I'm loving it. Especially with his family ties.

Same here I really loved "I monster"
But this Rat King is my favorite design yet. I love his appearance and back ground. This should be really interesting.
One last thing this is the best issue in a while!

DrSpengler 07-16-2014 07:48 PM

Here's my full review of TMNT #36 at TMNT Entity.

The Rat King is my all-time favorite TMNT villain, so of course I'm excited. I love what they did with him and it really speaks to the malleability of the character; that no two versions are identical. Tying him in with Kitsune was a definite surprise and gets me thinking more about her, a character I quite frankly forgot about.

As for Santolouco's design, I'm not sure if the Rat King reminds me more of Count Orlok from "Nosferatu" or Riffraff from "The Rocky Horror Picture Show", but either way I like it!

Coola Yagami 07-16-2014 08:02 PM

Man, have I ever fallen behind on my blogs and reviews.... I'll have to snag this issue up next week.

InsaneZane 07-17-2014 01:23 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...00085398_n.jpg
COOL!

AnarkyLantern 07-17-2014 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 1304963)
As for Santolouco's design, I'm not sure if the Rat King reminds me more of Count Orlok from "Nosferatu" or Riffraff from "The Rocky Horror Picture Show", but either way I like it!

There's something of Mr Dark from Fables in there too.

Joey Kamikaze 07-17-2014 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 1304963)
[url=http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2014/07/tmnt-idw-36.html]As for Santolouco's design, I'm not sure if the Rat King reminds me more of Count Orlok from "Nosferatu" or Riffraff from "The Rocky Horror Picture Show", but either way I like it!

Hahaha, oh man, now there's no unseeing it. :lol:

SDCC 07-17-2014 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpengler (Post 1304963)
As for Santolouco's design, I'm not sure if the Rat King reminds me more of Count Orlok from "Nosferatu" or Riffraff from "The Rocky Horror Picture Show", but either way I like it!

Exactly! In my review I mention a 'demented Richard O'Brien', the actor who played RiffRaff.


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