Turtles Forever Too
 

Would you want to see a version of turtles forever in this series featuring these turtles, the 2007 movie turtles and animated versions of the 2014 movie turtles?

They won't crossover with anyone other than the OT Turtles, maybe the 4kids ones if we're lucky.

How many of us shouted down the possibility of Bebop and Rocksteady too. Not saying it will happen just wondering if anyone wanted it.

Eh I could take it or leave it. Although given how the 2003 guys seem to have largely regarded the original series guys as children they were forced to tolerate... I can't say I wouldn't mind seeing those tables turned when the 2014s would show up. (Note, I hope I've got me details straight since I've only seen it once and not really watched the 2003 series, yet.)

Well the 2003 figures wouldn't be in it. It would be the 07 movie turtles and the 14 movie turtles.

I doubt we'll see this show do any kind "Turtles Forever" crossover. Which is fine with me, because I sure don't want to see the 2014 Turtles show up in animated form. I'm fine with just cameos of the OT Turtles.

The thing about doing a Turtles Forever scenario is that at some point, the movie needs to justify its existence as something other than a gimmick. A gimmick to bring viewers in is what crossovers are by default, but when it's handled well, they're more likely to stay. There needs to be some dynamic between all the characters that appeals to people; nobody should be there just to be there. I'd be fine (delighted, even) watching a fight scene or playing a video game where turtles from all over the multiverse team up against some army, but such shallow interaction can't sustain a movie.

Added to that, I don't really see how the characters of each of those universes you stated would interact. Besides the exclamation of "Hey; there's other universes like ours", there's little chance for a shock to any character. Each universe has a Shredder (or did), two are set in a New York that's no stranger to the supernatural, and the remaining version's New York is so mundane it wouldn't shock anybody.

it's turtles forever TWO

It's you missing a reference.

no i see the reference but it doesnt make any sense in the context

No, I hate the idea of multiverses. I'd just rather respect the Nick toon in what the 80's toon is considered, another dimension and not universe.

Besides, I hated Turtles Forever and it's metaverse of doom. The only reason it's so loved is because it showed the 80s' Turtles. If it was the 2007 Turtles I bet people wouldn't even give a toss.

that's because the 2007 turtles arent even interesting

Why would the 07 movie be in it but not the 2k3? This doesn't make sense.

I am all for something that incorporates Mirage, 80's, 2k3 and Nick though.

Thank you grammar nazi.

You're welcome! :tgrin:

It's kind like that theory about parallel universes. Where in every decision you make another parallel world is created where you do other decisions. So the metaverse was saying every incarnation a new universe for the Turtles is created.

Nickelodeon clearly has no interest in the 4Kids series. The only reason that Nick released Turtles Forever on dvd is because it featured the original cartoon's characters. But I could absolutely see more crossing over with the original cartoon in the future.

If they wanted a multiverse that's one thing. But what got to me was them trying to make a meta point to the audience that everything was all make believe in the end, that everything is all the result of some out of universe comic book authors. When I was younger I loved the show Sliders, which was this small group of researchers traveling to alternate universes and seeing how things 'could have been' if history hadn't developed as it did in this one. It did not beat you ever the head that it was fiction, it simply told a story and developed a world.

What Turtles Forever did that was the cardinal sin (besides crapping on the 80's cartoon)was take the imaginary world that was developed and tore it down in the attempt to put a meta spin on it. People would say "Oh but that world still exists!' It might technically 'exist,' but it no longer feels like it could. You could imagine the Sliders people existing in our world, traveling to alternate dimensions. You knew the show was fiction, but the fun was imagining what if. TMNT was the same way. You could imagine TMNT living in the sewers in New York in the same way, a sort of what if.

This movie undoes that feeling. Everything becomes a product of a comic book, both in-universe and out. It no longer is a living breathing universe that could feel like it was a part of our own, but a fragile 'alien' multiverse that can never have a connection, because it tells you it isn't real.

That is why I hate Turtles Forever and hope never to see 'Turtles Forever Two' come to pass or anything like it. I'm guessing people only like it because it shows the OT again 'on air,' but OT can be harkened back to without trying to destroy the very universe it's supposed to exist in.

Care to explain? Cos I don't get it, haven't seen Turtles Forever for a while. :P

Thank you.

Oh God, no.

Agreed. And Ch'rel's plan shouldn't even have worked by fictional standards. Why would the Mirage Turtles dying destroy whole worlds? Rambo dies in the original book, and he still went on to become a multimedia icon. So did Sherlock Holmes.

Turtles Forever was an incredible movie, but I liked it more as the 2k3 finale rather than the OT crossover.

And what else is in the 'does not make sense' category is that all of these other 'universes' already exist, with full TMNT tropes, yet at the end they just only finished developing the comic! Even the 2k3 one exists, and that has modern day (2003 and later) real world technology in it that E&L would not have thought of, when the first issue comic was made in the mid '80s!

This movie fails to make sense with itself, as why would one fictional universe have technology 20 years advanced and happening exactly as it would do later in E and L's future?

I'm glad Nick and Co. don't seem to acknowledge that movie, and appear to let sleeping dogs lie when it comes to anything 2k3. Hopefully this continues, and that it can be something primarily the 2k3 fans' thing.

But they do acknowledge the movie, and the movie itself was a fantastic series finale to TMNT 2k3.

Anyone feel like we've been here before?:ohwell:

Not yet it hasn't.

Why would you be glad Nick doesn't acknowledge 2k3. Do you know how frustrating it is to be a 2k3 fan right now? Trying to collect over-priced DVDs, having to import from other countries, and begging Nick on Twitter to think about this series for once in their damn lives?

It isn't fair, but I wonder if this is a karma thing for how badly those involved with the 2k3 series apparently treated the OT series.

You must not had noticed the crapton of 2k3 haters all over the internet back when it was new that hated it solely for being so different from the 87 toon.

That being said, what are you even going on about? :-?

"What goes around comes around". Karma. I also wasn't around during that time either so I didn't know about the "hate" that you mentioned.

I've never seen Turtles Forever or much of the 2k3 series because I couldn't get into it, which is why I said "apparently" and can't state anything as fact regarding either. I made the statement solely because of the Turtle Forever special and how those here said that it portrayed the OT turtles in a bad light.

Tell me about it. :roll:

Oh no, there was DEFINITELY hate around 2k3, especially when it was first released.

I should know. I was one of the people that didn't want to watch it at first because it wasn't stupidly silly.

You know, 2 wrongs never make a right. Just saying. Nick could be the more mature franchise and hold out a welcoming hand for all of the fans, not just for the select few.

Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way, but wasn't 2k3 Peter Laird's baby? And wasn't Peter Laird the one that finally sold the franchise to Nick? Kind of crappy to just pay him off and snub the show he seemed to have a passion for, because if it wasn't for him selling to begin with, Nick would never have the juggernaut they got now. Of course, I could be misunderstanding the whole Laird/2k3 connection, and my outlook is completely moot.

I feel annoyed about it too. If Nick have no intention of re-releasing 2k3 on DVD after buying the rights to the series then they're a bunch of pr*cks.

Same, I used to hate 2k3 when it first aired because it was far more serious than the FW series and another reason was that it didn't have Bebop and Rocksteady lol I remember watching Shredder Strikes thinking to myself "Why is Shredder so scary?" :lol:

f*ck the dreaded 2k3 series, im so happy that nick isn't acknowledging that pathetic attempt as a series hell they even RELIED on the older [better] more Popular cartoon from the 80's..


this is how it went from most fans when they first heard about turtles forever:



tom: dude there bringing back the 80's turtles cartoon!!

john: sweet dude!! how there doing this??

tom: there gonna bring them back and join the 4 Kids turtles!!!!!

john: whats the 4Kids turtles????????

tom: I dunno....


:lol::lol: hahahahaha!!!! LMFAO!!!!!! :lol::lol::lol:

^
Oh dear. :roll:

I believe it was. And it is kinda crappy that Nick are ignoring the 2K3 series, given the fact that it had the best storylines and fight scenes. Part of me wishes he hasn't sold the franchise to Nick, then we might have actually got a complete DVD set of the 2K3 series after Turtles Forever came out.

what 2k3 did was so so mean in turtles forever, so for all u upset 4kids fans I say this is what u call kharma, u 2k3 fans in particular have nothing to do with it perhaps u don't even deserve it, but for someone like me whos passionate about my 80s turtles having to deal with 2k3 fans pretending to not notice the OBVIOUS bashing of the OT its nice to see 2k3 fans squirm even just alil bit.

You sound like an angry butthurt.

Because by proxy, it renders Turtles Forever irrelevant.

By itself, sans Forever, it is just another ordinary Turtles series. I wouldn't have anything against it. But then it went on to mess with two sacred cows of TMNTdom that I hold dear.

The first is disrespecting the OT.

The second is by outright ripping apart the premise of TMNT by openly declaring in-universe everything is the product of a comic book. Part of the appeal of a story is imagining it exists, and that can't be done when the universe itself is saying it doesn't.

That's why I'm glad it's not acknowledged.

I am and completely..

Who cares? The 2K3 series came and went. Whatever. Let it die.

Besides, the 2K3 series did whatever it could to set it apart from the 80's version...so now the 2012 is doing what it can to set it apart from the 2K3.

The main reason this series caters to the 80;s is because if it wasn't for that show, there wouldn't be any tmnt cartoons or movies now, period. It still would have been some indapendant black and white comic that would have eventually have faded out and been forgotten like many other indie comics that never made it to cartoons or movies. The 80's cartoon put it on the map, and this new show is nice enough to acknowledge it.