William the White Washed Shredder: Why We Should Learn Not to Assume
 

I remember people were really upset over a "white washed" Shredder. Well, it turns out Shredder was Japanese in this movie. So what should we learn from this?

*The internet is often full of horse manure.
*Some people like to cause controversy and make up lies.

Remember the 2012 end of the world rumor? Yeah, that was horse manure too.

So this is the last time I fall for some horse manure on the internet.

Or they simply added incoherent scenes of a brand new Shredder, after the internet's reaction. Which only adds to the horribly incomprehensible patched together mess they released. Sacks was obviously supposed to be Shredder. But they simply axed the hell out of the film, and reshot so much that it's hilarious how scattered the movie turned out to be.

Yeah it's internet's fault. :ohwell:

Not that Fichtner ever said he was playing the Shredder or anything.

That doesn't mean they didn't OBVIOUSLY shove Shredder in there with reshoots. Your post makes no sense as there were plenty of legitimate reasons to believe Fichtner was Shredder.

Oh and the movie sucked. Some of us need to raise our standards.

Ha! As everyone else is pointing out, Eric Sachs was clearly supposed to be Shredder but bad PR had them shoot things really fast to ensure that Shredder is an asian. To assume that this was their plan all along is ******** and you're just making a fool of yourself.

Hell, even the actor PLAYING Shredder said the studio wouldn't tell him all the secrecy as to why they never announced anything about it. It's because they're just trying to cover their tracks.

http://www.movieweb.com/news/tohoru-...tles-exclusive

This thread is hilarious! Thanks for the laughs!

I think that's the one thing I find the most upsetting about people's overwhelming praises. There's some decent stuff in the film but overall, it's just so bland and not any good. I don't feel I have high standards when it comes to this movie, but it certainly seems like Paramount just laid a big turd on everyone's face and most people are okay with that. It's **** standards.

Oh wow, I never even noticed this. This is embarrassing. This thread just got even better!

Yup "make up lies" William Fichtner must have been lying when he said "I play Shredder". Or the makers of the video game must have been lying when they made Sacks shredder.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/att...3&d=1407471766
Yup, it was all lies made up by Fichtner and the makers of the video game.

I believe William Fichtber intentionally misled people to hide the real villain or something along that line. I made mention of this before:

It's like if you just put something resembling ninja turtles in a movie they'll automatically love it. And it's sad because that's basically what the studio was hoping for. They completely mishandled this entire franchise and everyone is okay with it because they finally got an updated turtles movie.

I guess Platinum Dunes was right. People really are naive enough to believe their BS.

Exactly. It's like when you've been wanting to go to your favorite restaurant and you've been thinking about it all week. Time goes by but you can never find the time to actually get there. So you wait and fantasize how awesome it will be once that moment arrives where you sit down and order. You get that and you're excited...you order you favorite food and the anticipation grows. The give you your food and for some reason, it tastes like crap. You can tell that whoever made your food, just slopped it together without any thought or care and it's taste is just downright horrible. It's terribly prepared and it's no way as good as the last time you had it, but you still eat it anyway because you've been thinking about it so much. So you still enjoy it in a way because it's your favorite food, but it doesn't taste anywhere near as good because whoever was making your food....didn't care enough to make it well.

That's what this movie is. A horribly prepared piece of garbage that people are eating. Me? I hated the taste and I want to send it back to the cook to tell them to make it again.

Amen. Platinum Dunes made a **** sandwich out of my favorite dish. The whole movie felt like one long toy commercial with blatant product placement. What a sad industry Hollywood has become.

The sad part is that William Fichtner is a great actor and his character had the backstory and motivation. No TMNT universe is the same. The idea of an abandoned child, who used an ancient legend to build himself up as the Shredder was fine enough.

Yes, classic Oroku Saki is better, but now we have a nameless soulless husk of a character with no purpose. The whole film is so ephemeral that you can add scenes of a no-name man in almost empty looking sets and it still doesn't change the non-story. What a mess.

No Oroku Saki. No Hamato Yoshi. At least if Sacks wasn't ruined by the reshoots, we'd have an actual character as Shredder. No anymore. And that is a shame.

Hahahahahahahahaha this thread exists.

This is nothing but a cash grab for PD - like all their movies. They don't give a crap about the quality of what they're putting out. They saw an IP that was popular enough that they could throw any piece of crap out there and make money off it. Truly is a shame but at least some studios actually care about the product they're putting out there while also looking to make money.

Yeah... I don't think I'm gonna go for the "movie is infallible - fans/internet are evil and always wrong" view. People keep acting like the makers of this are infallible, while it's actually ok if they aren't entirely perfect with it.

It's not impossible that they decided to make that change in the movie. And really if they DID... I mean it's not wrong. It's wise of them to recognize that maybe it was a misstep that should not be made and for their own good to correct it. It's just stupid if they covered it up. They don't have to admit to when a change was made, they can go ahead and pretend it was done very very early in production if they want... but if they decided it was smart to change it, at least be honest.

This was clearly a movie for idiots. And it is not the turtles movie I would introduce my kids to.

I am sorry but I don't understand this. I mean, yes Eric Sacks (Oroku Saki lol) wasn't Shredder. But somehow I don't think adding a completely nameless man without any character in the film as Shredder was better.

Just because the Shredder I always knew was asian, doesn't mean that adding a completely random asian man as Shredder is better than having an actual three-dimensional character as Shredder, even if it is Sacks.

It's all appearances. Like characterization and depth is not important, as long as it's vaguely feels like our childhood memories. Oroku Saki, the real Shredder WAS a Japanese ninja and the head of a ninja clan. Eric Sacks isn't any of that. But he felt like a character. He had a story. A meaning to him.

No-name man in the shadows, was nothing. Just an extra. No meat. No depth or soul, no meaning. It's like everything on the surface level, is more important than writing and depth IMO.

Yeah, I might not have been a fan of Sachs being Shredder overall in the film but at least I could say that it told it's own confident story.

I'm much more keen to appreciate an ambitious failure than a movie that doesn't even ****ing try.

You guys should be thankful shredder is an Oriental.

If Shredder is not of the orient he is not Shredder.

Even so, the last minute re-shoots completely messed up the story.

Perhaps they could have pulled a Mandarin and made Shredder a title. The movie could have ended with Shredder's elite guard approaching Sachs and telling him he dishonored the name of their master.

That would have required creative writing.


Seriously though, I found that to be a brilliant save on Marvel's part.

It's just a pity the Mandarin retcon was'nt made the post-credits scene for Iron Man III, I'd have made the Stark/Banner session a mini-feature instead

Yes, you have a point of course, but I was not going that far into the details in discussing the matter, was not going into if they handled it the right way or not. I prob should have put quotes around "corrected."

It's completely obvious that Paramount panicked because of all the negativity and hired reshoots to try and change the film back to something more familiar to the fans. When you listen to Fichtner say "The Shredder in this version is unlike any shredder you've ever seen" and "it's pretty surprising, his relationship with the turtles", it doesn't make any sense. There is no way that we saw the movie that they originally wanted to make. We saw a studio forced chopped and patched up version. What relationship did Shredder have with the turtles in this? None! I don't even think they test screened the movie!
It's heartbreaking to go back and listen to how hyped and excited the cast and crew was on this. Chances are, it probably was good! Different doesn't necessarily mean bad. I kind of hope they release a directors cut of this. Sachs should have been the Shredder, Asian or not!

Yes to this. Since the filmmakers were already going down the Sacks as Shredder route, I wished they'd stuck to that story. If they wanted to react to the backlash, they could've added a scene where Oroku Saki discovers someone in America had assumed the Shredder persona which isn't hard to believe since the public sees the Shredder armor in that crater and it likely ended up on the news. Instead of changing a ton of the existing film, show Saki put on the traditional looking armor surrounded by the actual Foot clan ready to head to America to take on the turtles in the sequel. Show that Saki is furious someone would try to take his title, which would reflect the anger many have that the filmmakers went this route in the first place.

If they wanted to react to the backlash, they should have just made the film so good that fans wouldn't care that they changed things! True, nobody wanted an American Shredder, but if they had made the story and character interesting enough, fans would have accepted it. They changed the joker and two-faces origin in The Dark Knight, but nobody cared because it was awesome. I was excited to see the whole "trying to create heroes", "created as weapons" arc! That could have opened the door to other badass mutants. But nope! Just cut all of that out and slap in some random Asian guy as shredder and butcher the hell outta the story just to try and make a few naysayers happy. I don't think the movie is bad but I certainly think it was probably a lot better before Paramount took the axe to it.

What a pathetic movie from paramount, and it had so much potential to create a new and fresh story. Honestly, I never really cared that Shredder was white nor the fact that they were originally created as weapons. I thought it was an interesting new take on the turtles. I think it's sad that now instead of making the fans even happier, they just pissed them off even more.

I don't understand why studios listen to a very vocal negative group on the Internet when there's no clear indication of how big that group actually is. The Internet is filled with negativity and there was going to be backlash towards different aspects of the film no matter what. You can't please everybody.

Plus there's no way to guarantee that appeasing the negative group will get them to buy a ticket. Most people who purchase a ticket are probably casual fans who are unaware of all the hubbub around Shredder. Most of the audience at the showing I went to reacted with awe when Donatello flung Raph into the humvee and that was in the first teaser!

We didn't assume. William said he WAS the Shredder. They didn't just show him and we all just assumed 'oh he looks evil in the trailer, so since Shredder is the default tmnt bad guy, he just has to be the new shredder'. He came out and told everyone in official interviews that he was the Shredder.

As bad as some aspects of this movie were, let's all thank god they didn't go with alien turtles or white Shredder. At least they reversed two potential horrible things.

They should have gone with the white Shredder! Sacks should have been the shredder.

Shredder needs to be an Oriental. Sachs can die for all I care.

Well at least it sets up a better sequel, but it totally ruined the first one.

I agree but with the story they had, they should have kept Sacks as the Shredder. It would have made the film better than the tacked on Asian Shredder

I think they're saving the Yoshi and Saki origin for the sequel too. Both are likely from ancient Japan.

Sachs should have never been the Shredder to begin with. All this re-do does is sloppily splice an Asian Oroku Saki into the suit in a weak attempt to appease fans when they should have thought about that BEFORE they made Shredder "Generic White Villain #6,743."

But then again, it's better than Colonel Schrader....*vomits*

Well at least they are actually listening to fans. But i'm still a bit pissed that the reshoots completely destroyed the whole story.

Well.. for all those that kept saying over and over that this production quickly added him in after wards here is your answer. Sounds to me like he was involved the whole time.. like Eastman kept saying and no one wanted to listen.. Some I think give themselves a little to much credit around here lol. Shredder was kept in the dark on purpose.. to cause controversy and to get people talking. And it worked. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. I am wrong all the time about certain things.. mainly the Dallas Cowboys. If you were one of the people outraged all over the internet.. you actually ended up helping this movie. Man that HAS TO suck to know that :lol: And now the film is on track to knock Guardians out of the number one spot and is projected to earn north of 60 million this weekend.

Here is the quote that interested me

And this
And there is a reason no one knows. It was a brilliant marketing ploy. And this isn't the first time its happened. All I want to know is.. when are they announcing TMNT 2?