Things that bug you about the 2014 movie...
 

1. In the opening, we were told the foot clan were called the foot clan because they stomp on people.... :roll:

2. They used Red Ear Sliders as baby turtles. RES are neither tortoise nor turtles. They are terrapins.

In layman terms,
Turtle - sea
Tortoise - land
Terrapins - hybrid (both)

*The whole "Turtles on Speed" aspect of the Adrenalin scene.
*Everyone calling the Foot Clan only that and calling April "O'Neil."
*Raph slamming into the Hummer was even worse in the movie, since it also sent it careening down a hill.

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Your English was good. No need to apologize. Even if it had flaws they were really minor.Better than most "Fluent" English Speaker/Writers.

Don't we already have a pro/con thread?

Not entirely correct.

From Wikipedia:
Terrapin is a term used in English for several smaller species of turtle living in fresh or brackish water. Terrapins do not form a taxonomic unit, and may not be very closely related, although many belong to the families Geoemydidae and Emydidae. A distinction between turtle and terrapin does not exist in other European languages. The name "terrapin" is derived from the Algonquian word torope,[1] used for Malaclemys terrapin. In the UK red-eared sliders are known as "red-eared terrapins"

All terrapins are turtles, but all turtles are not terrapins.

- Mikey's creepy crush on April.

- The Shredder's Armor ( I like the helmet, but they went overboard with all the knives and daggers).

- Megan Fox's acting. She was just not ready for a role like this.

- The Climax is a shot-for-shot remake of the Amazing Spider-Man.

- Despite him only being the producer, the movie feels very much like Michael Bay movie.

- Will Arnett as Vernon. He just isn't as over the top as cartoon Vernon.

- The Turtles are Secondary Characters, not as much in the Transformers movies though.

- The Foot Clan aren't ninjas in the movie, and are completely ineffective against the turtles seeing as how they're bulletproof.

- Whoopi Goldberg isn't in the movie long enough.

The stupid mutagen is a cure plot... Them ignoring what it did to ordinary rats and turtles and using it as a cute anyway. Yeah we experiment on animals but I kinda think them mutating into walking talking creatures is way too big of a side effect to just shrug and be like 'eh I'm pretty sure it won't do that to humans'

Sachs had no place in this movie. None. Baxter or Karai or both could gave done the same role.

Karai did nothing of note in this movie. Easily coulda just been some big nameless guy leading everyone.

The foot being public knowledge instead of a mystery or a rumor.

We barely knew these turtles. A lot was left for us to assume based on previous incarnations. That shouldn't count since this isn't a sequel but a whole new thing.

Raph delivers a big confession of stuff we never saw. We only assume he bullies don and mike based on past incarnations.

Vernon having any sort of important role.

Splinter's horrible design.

I.... Really want to insult the turtles and splinter learning martail arts from a book... But then I remember that the original had normal rat splinter learn just by watching Yoshi train from his cage. It's the same kind of bs.

Lack of revenge plot. Lack of Yoshi.

Movie takes place in about 2 days. No real time for downtime to see how these turtles interact, what they do on their day to day, hanging with April, etc. it was all rush, rush, rush. Who cares, just assume everything based on past incarnations.

Obvious Crush promotion. Honestly just show mikey drink some. He didn't have to specifically tell April he had crush in the fridge. He could have just said 'soda'.

It just wasn't a good movie. As a tmnt movie or as a movie in general. If this was any other movie introducing some new kind of mutant/alien characters it would fail miserably because there would be no past version for us to fill in the blanks with.

Project Renaissance was top-secret, wasn't it? So why would they let a ten-year old girl run around with a video camera?

Both times April went to Whoopi with news of a vigilante, she had pictures of evidence of his existence. Why did she not pull them out? Especially the second time, when she had a blurry image of them. If Sacks trusted the picture, why wouldn't Whoopi?

So the Foot Clan took Leo, Raph, and Don but left Raph dead. Why? Isn't it a lot easier to extract blood from a dead turtle rather than a living one? And why did the Foot just decide to leave Splinter alone?

Karai was a useless fool in this movie. Just sayin'.

I was just amazed at how blatant the Victoria's Secret ad was.

Splinter learned how to be a ninja from a book. A book. Reading it is a lot different from watching someone else perform the moves.

I really liked Raph's little speech at the end, but then they turned it into a joke. Damn.

Yeah I forgot about the splinter thing. It's like he didn't matter. He should have just been as important to capture as the turtles were. He has the same mutagen running through his veins.

I explained the terms in a single word.
How accurate did you expected it to be?

The red ear slider thing is not a mistake. It's been says many times in the mirage comics that the turtles were originally red ear sliders.

Any source or clippings of this?

Nevermind... in depth discussion here

Not on me but it's been said like a ka-zillion times on this forum that the turtles are red ear sliders.

This isn't a problem specific to TMNT but the over the top CGI action scenes really lose me. When it seems so unrealistic and comes across as what it is, a CGI cartoon, it takes me out of the film and I feel no sense of threat.

Shredder using a robot suit makes him seem weaker. If he were a real threat he would not need robot armor, his martial arts skills would be power enough.

The foot clan being generic terrorists rather than ninja.

Lack of any real character development. Shredder in particular had very little characterization.

How contrived it is that April happened to be the girl who looked after them as a child then through pure coincidence ends up being the first human to discover them as mutants.

The first part with April going the distance for her job was a great idea and I liked it and first time I ever liked Megan Fox as an actor however that quickly went out the window when she got down in the sewer she just became her typically ditzy self.

Its terribly obvious Fitchner was initially Shredder.

Shredder never finishes a job and more like just mutters his plan then just saunters off.

Shredder wants to destroy the Turtles lair and sets off two little dinky smoke bombs and saunters off. If there was a scene that needed more Michael Bay that one was it! Give me a reason to hate The Shredder.

Shredder and Sach's primary motivation to "Get Richer" by using the same device as the Lizard from Amazing Spider-man by unleashing a virus into the airways of New York. Its like this dude has a snowy mountain fortress its safe to say your filthy rich and you could burn money at that point because you are loaded. I'm also sure that you could probably print your own money at that point.

April landing the killing blow. Now I don't want the damsel in distress April but I would have rather the Turtles actually win a fight with Shredder instead of constantly being beat or assisted. Its like you need to show the unity of the Turtles by fighting together and being more powerful as one unit.

I have other gripes, but these are definitely on my list. The Crush promo was blatant (and why, in the middle of a fight, would anyone think it's important to talk about the specific soda/pop brand they've stashed is beyond me), but the Pizza Hut one was even worse since we had to listen to Splinter essentially read off of the menu to us.

The learning of martial arts from a book DOES bother me. At least when the rat mimicked Yoshi, it showed two really important things: martial arts always were part of Splinter's essence, and the bond between Yoshi and Splinter is strong. And establishing that link is essential since Splinter and Shredder are supposed to have a blood feud.

Your point about Splinter's mutagen is spot on, too. And for that matter, it's almost as if Shredder didn't care as much about Raph, either. In the lair battle, the ceiling caves in and the Foot decide to abandon Raph because he's dead (wouldn't his blood still be OK to use, though?). But a short while later, when Raph shows up at the lab, Shredder taunts Raph by saying the 4th tank is for him. Still more absurd is that Shredder beats the crap out of Raph and has him in a position to either kill or capture him, yet turns his back and walks away.

I'm glad I'm not the only TMNT "fan" who thought this movie was abysmal. Obviously it has its charming moments, and of course everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but the people raving about the movie don't seem to have much invested in TMNT or expect much from movies in general.

I thought the turtles cracked out on adrenaline was hilarious, especially since it lightened the mood after the turtles were literally getting their blood drained out of them. I do see why some people would think otherwise though. Maybe in the sequel they'll share a joint and order 15 pizzas

My least favorite scene in the movie was shredder's "reclaim victory" speech. I laughed in my head thinking "really, is this the best they could come up with?"

I actually liked sacks/shredder's half-assed plan to poison the city. Reminded me of something straight out of a cartoon. Even if they would have succeeded how did they expect to get away with it? This movie really was a modern adaptation of the old cartoon, in my opinion. The amount of plot holes, intentional or not, gave the movie a cartoon feeling which helped balance out the more serious moments

Yes! Another completely absurd moment! And it's symptomatic of one of the film's most irritating flaws: April is the main attraction. I mean, how intricately and uniquely she's tied to the TMNT's origin is annoying. We're supposed to believe that she had a role in their creation, and then by great coincidence 15 years later she's the first and only one to know of them?

^ This. Red-Eared Sliders are still turtles. Heck, Box Turtles are turtles not tortoises, but are still land dwelling turtles, so doing a strict layman terms grouping is severely wrong. Especially when they way you grouped it is wrong, since Terrapins are Turtles, not a "third grouping".

THe are read eared sliders in a few versions, that doesn't mean that's what they have to be in every version. Heck, I like IDW'S sea-turtles-esque versions best.

I wouldn't mind if she would have killed off Sach's since her father was betrayed by him and would be a real good revenge plot but leave the big guy to The Turtles.

I think this is a remnant of the "Sacks is Shredder" concept. It might have resonated more in that version considering her connection.

I found it rather pointless and odd for April's dad to be drawing Japanese symbols in a book concerning "Project Renaissance." Why not Italian??

Also, at what point did the Turtles come across the symbol and decide to start using it as their 'calling card?'

Why does Splinter dress Japanese if he has NO ties to Japan other than finding a book about Ninjitsu. But of course, he's dressed like that before he finds the book.

Hamato Yoshi no longer exists in this incarnation of the Turtles.

The scarring on Shredder's face. What is the point is Splinter didn't cause it?

Why do Splinter and the Turtles has problems with the Shredder if there is no connection between the two? How does Splinter even know Shredder exists if Sacks is the one working in the lab?? Does Sacks talk all day about his awesome metal ninja master at work??

Why would Sacks let April film what appears to be obvious experimental testing on animals?

Why is Sacks so rich? He was a scientist and now he just hangs out at home all day.

Um the Turtles were been red-eared sliders in Mirage, guys. It's actually the most accurate thing about the film.

It's never specified that they are sea turtles, considering Duncan did draw them with flippers, as their living are was more fit for fresh water turtles as seat turtles do not bask and only goes on land to lay eggs. And Eastman's sketch of the pages, the turtles do not have flippers.

If anything they could be pig-nosed turtles, a fresh water turtle with true flippers like a sea turtle. Although pig-noses don't bask on land either.

Not that I find it a big deal, but didn't Sacks call them "box turtles"? I definitely think they were designed after box turtles, regardless. Especially when considering the shape of their shells in the design.

I strongly feel that people are hating on Fox the way they automatically hate on Bay.....Fox was surprisingly decent/good in this movie. I found her convincing most of the time and so did my Wife - who is hyper critical of bad or unbelievable acting. Obviously, everyone interprets things differently, but I really felt that the acting in this movie by everyone, overall, was quite good.

The story and editing just seemed like really... "off".. It looks like a movie that had been created to be one thing and turned out to be something totally different. Thats what concerns me more than anything else.

However, some of this could be fixed with a sequel done properly and addressing some of these gaping plot holes. Bring in Casey (please not Shia Lebouf lol) and let him aid the Turtles as they go up against Stockman or Bebop and Rocksteady..

Just please dont "Amazing Spider Man 2" the sequel

The only major problem with the movie is that look isn't consistent with the tone of the movie.

This is clearly a kids movie, and a simple one at that. Bit looks like a generic comic book movie, even though it's taking its cues from the cartoon. It looks to dark and serious.

They should've made it more colorful and given some more personality to the city.

The only way I could think of having Hamato Yoshi as part of the origin is if in the sequal it is revealed that he was April's father and she was adopted... Also although he was shot by Sachs, the killing blow was giving by Saki/Shreddar...Could have it as he also had a bond with Splinter and the turtles but mostly Splinter and he remembers it but just never had it mentioned in the first movie. Stupid, I know but only way I can think of having that traditional rivalry set for this universe....

I think the best bet is to go further with IDW's reincarnation story.



They didn't have much development behind Oroku Saki (who is never called Saki in the film either), so they have a blank book to fill that in with whatever backstory they want.

They could go all out with the feudal Japan Yoshi/Saki with Yoshi reincarnated and Saki in stasis thanks to Utrom technology or go mystical with Kitsune.

Have to admit, part of me would like to see Alopex along with Bebop, Rocksteady, and Karai. The other part of me is terrified of the idea of that.

has this already been posted?

http://io9.com/tmnt-movie-makers-rev...u-s-1617636460

Good insight from the film makers on how they pulled ideas/content from all incarnations and worked closely with Eastman throughout to get his blessing on all of it.

I see stupid religious parents having a problem with the reincarnation idea that IDW used which why I don't see it being translated to film to avoid backlash due to it.

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That's wrong what you said. Read what you said again.

April works for a TV station, not a newspaper. Why was she taking still pictures? Low on memory?

Did not like the Foot being a paramilitary group and not ninjas.

Karai being a mere henchwoman

There is nothing menacing about Iron Man Shredder.

I could complain about the excessive accessories the Turtles wear but I have to swallow my pride.

Well, lets see?

They did away with the Splinter/Shredder connection/backstory which made the showdown between Splinter/Shredder silly and generally the Turtles gripe with the Foot unwarranted.

The whole big plan about the Poison gas and MUTAGEN being used as a cure and the fact that the extracted mutagen was destroyed but the turtles immediately had some on hand to save splinter who already had mutagen in his blood......Shouldn't he have just healed himself?

It was obvious that the film was chopped and spliced, the Eric Sacks character had no point, he should have at least been named Baxter Stockman. I suppose they did not do that in order to set things up so he could take over as a new shredder in the sequel..........

Total miss-use under appreciation of Whoopi Goldberg and Will Arnett

Where did the Shell raiser come from? Is it really wise for the turtles to be riding around in a gaudy, obvious recognizable van in NYC....What if they get pulled over?

When was Aprils dad shot? Did I miss that? I thought he burned up? But Sacks claimed he killed him.

I could go on much longer but it kind of makes me mad if I dwell on it. Happy thoughts!

"Liebesman: I think the movie gets a lot of **** when people say, "Oh, I can't believe that happened. Oh, that's convenient." No. We did our research. We did what you fans wanted us to do and went and looked through every ****in' creation story and picked what we thought was really great in some of them. With the permission of the creator. "

FAIL

Liebesman is an ass.