Get Over The Conceit
 

Have you heard that phase? It use to describe any show that would skip the general logistics like...well pick any twilight zone episode or maybe even a doctor who episode that was written by Steven Moffat, and I feel that term has come to described recent Nick TMNT episodes. So do you think in order to enjoy watching it anymore, you would have stop taking this show seriously?

What? Who is this being aimed at?

I enjoy the majority of this show very much, my only complaints are its too mutant heavy and I'd like more human villains.

I'm still enjoying the show...so there isn't anything going on to keep me from enjoying it.

I think I'm starting to not take episodes seriously lately, not sure if it's helping though...it only makes me frustrated XD....(like wasted potential and all that)

I don't understand this, which means it's probably a Tumblr thing.

All the rants/posts on this forum are from tumblr. Especially all the shipping topics about Casey/April/Don.

The Nick TMNT series attracted an anime/tumblr/fangirl crowd to the fandom that had never existed before.

Because none of that twitter/tumblr stuff was popular before as it is now. Duh.

Where does this suddenly come from? I thought the recent episodes were among the best this season. Of course opinions may differ but I got the impression that they are also generally well received... I admit I'm not too fond of A Chinatown Ghost Story but that's just one episode.

Yeah, I fail to see where this thread is going, too. What do you mean by conceit? I've never heard this phrase at all.

I mean there times when character does things that makes no sense or having idiot ball moments like when Shredder left a mutated Baxter in his labs and now thanks to him, he has a monster lose in his HQ. He could have lock him up or at least tried to.

Heck even with this new episode, it threw with April and Irma being key ingredients in dematerializing a chinese ghost. Does it make sense? Who cares?! It's randomly throw in for plot and movie reference.

What the heck are you guys talking about? I've been out of the Nick subforum for a while, but are you guys seeing episodes that haven't aired in the US?

One new episode was put on Nick's official site

Well that's just a damn dirty lie.

you couldn't be more wrong. you're so out of touch.

If anything, there were a helluva lot MORE "fangirls" and such when I first joined this place. At the very least, they were a lot more vocal than they are now.

Entirely neutral on the subject, just commenting. "Fangirls" and "Shipping" are hardly new to this franchise.

I don't recall these people existing when the 4kids cartoon was airing. And I was there for the entire span it was originally airing on TV when it was new.

I didn't think about this. The show was too fun for me to notice anything like that!

My general problem is that the show is not as well written as Season 1, and we already know that's because they got new writers!

I think part of why people are complaining so much is because most of the shipping I'd seen in this fandom prior to 2k12's release was, well, incest-based, so it was confined to parts of the internet that do that kinda thing because I'm sure if it was brought here people would be raising hell. I wasn't part of this forum so I can't really say, but I saw TMNT shipping a LOT in the other communities I was part of, especially in the early and mid 2000's.

Not so much the case now, since human/turtle romances are getting a lot of spotlight in canon, which wasn't really done too much before, and the people that craze over those have moved to different online communities [such as Tumblr] where they're more visible due to the way Tumblr's set up.

There is little to no shipping in TMNT since the one canon pairing (April/Casey) is expected to happen in every series so not much thought comes to it.

Also TMNT has a lack of female characters, besides Karai and a few others, so there's not much pairings to go for. And people don't like giving the TMNT love interests in general.

Ok, you just tell that to all the turtlecesters I'm friends with.

Those people are shunned to the darkest corners of deviantart and tumblr. We don't want to acknowledge them.

I don't mind "furry" ships, I did like Raph's relationship with Ninjara in Archie, but I'm too keen on animalxanimal pairings...even if they are mutants.

Can't say it's crossed my mind much, at most a passing thought that didn't stick around long. Good show, I just roll with it mostly.

What else is going on h-- Uh. Ok... carry on. *flees thread*

I acknowledge them since they're a pretty large part of the fanbase. I'm willing to bet there are several closet turtlecesters that regularly post on this forum. And I'm ok with them. As I said, I'm friends with lots of them.

But it ain't my thing either. I like the mutant/animal ships the most. But the difference is that almost none of the ones I support are canon. :V

Glob, yes. I've realized this season that the episodes I enjoy the most are the ones which don't try to actually be dramatic, because the more serious episodes require me to think about the plot, and this series' plots and emotional beats take to analysis like paper takes to fire. The Doctor Who by Moffat comparison is damn near perfect.

They've always existed. What's different now is that they have a space that welcomes them and has allowed them to visibly and semi-safely express themselves.

Well at least tumblr keeps them away from the forums, so I guess all is good. I imagine most of those girls have never gotten into TMNT before and the Nick cartoon is their first exposure to it, so they assume the antics between the brothers and the Don/April thing is the norm for the franchise.

Who cares what they assume, and who cares if Nick is their first exposure to it? Most of us never read the comics first.

Well if that really is the case for many, who's doing this with the Nick Turtles, teens? In that case I'm inclined to just leave well enough alone and let them have their thing, assuming we're talking about the so-called "shipping" and more intimate stuff. Just the harmless fantasy of youngsters.

Maybe this is a good opportunity to experiment with itself and try new things since there is no real plot driven storyline other then Karai at this point. I guess I wouldn't mind watching a couple pizza face episodes like this. I guess it beats watching another monster of the week.

It depends on their age. A lot of them are old enough to have seen the 2003 series at the very least, but I wouldn't doubt there's a lot of newbies mixed in there too.

And let me tell you, the age of Tumblr fandom bloggers is pretty varied. I see 13-15 year olds on there a lot, but there's also a sizeable portion of people that are in their 20s.

EDIT: Also, not all of them are girls. Stop implying only the girls could be "bad".

I still don't get this tumblr stuff, but I guess if I used it I would.

I signed up for it long ago as a friend talked me into it but I've yet to use or even really frequent it.

Wrong: Heterosexist.

Wrong: You do not speak for all of us.

Wrong: Gatekeepers like you keep the female fanbase on places like DeviantArt and Tumblr. I've heard from numerous women who say they avoid this board like the plague because they don't want to subject themselves to the impotent fanboy rage.

Wrong.

Most of the girls I'm friends with [and most of my friends are girls] say the same thing. Some of them have actually told me they consider me quite brave for posting here as much as I do. They are scared of the people here.

I hear that all the time as well, and even well before the "Shellshocked" interview with Ciro.

Well that sounds sexist right there actually, almost as if "fanboys" are the ones who get into impotent rage. I'm pretty sure there's just as much heated impotent fangirl rage (maybe not here, but the internet in general) with different topics, for example if it came to shipping, over who's better for Nick April with the whole Donnie vs. Casey situation. It's more of an issue of being overtly passionate over a franchise, and having far more people at a particular webpage rather than gender behavior.

Really? :-? I know these forums have their share of sly trolls and cynics, like any website that hosts forums, but it's the internet. The reason Deviantart and Tumblr appear to be safer is because anyone can make some random remote webpage that's difficult to find, and be able to isolate themselves to their close friends and contacts (with blocking features), but with the Technodrome Forums, it's fairly distinct in being one of the, if not the biggest, forum site for TMNT, so there's going to be a lot more people showing up, carrying with them their criticisms and their internet personalities. Therefore, there's bound to be someone out there who vehemently opposes one's viewpoint/opinion in some way. I'm not saying I support the harsh environment, but that's the culture of this form of communication when there's an increasing amount of people arriving at a site that have some anonymity.

Yes, yes. #NotAllFanboys.
First off, you assume I think fanboys are all of a specific gender, which I don't. I'm a woman, and identify as a fanboy.

Secondly, don't confuse passion with being an outright jerk. It's not passion that I have a problem with, it's the hostile attitude that, "SOMEONE IS PLAYING WITH THEIR TOYS WRONG!" The idea that there's only one-true-way to be a fan, and anyone who deviates from that needs be "Shunned to the darkest corners" of another part of the web.

Like what you like.
Don't like what you don't like.
As the song goes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

If you're not fighting to dismantle a toxic status quo, then you are in fact supporting it.

Tumblr and DeviantArt don't "appear" to be safer because they allow a certain level of security, they ARE safer because they allow a certain level of security. And women go there so they don't have to deal with Jerk Gatekeepers.

These forums have far more than their fair share of trolls and cynics, and I say this as one myself, but I present myself that way here on purpose because the environment here is far more toxic than a place like Tumblr. I put up my walls here, because I know this type of environment can be damaging. I've frequented fandom forums for over a decade, and I've been on Tumblr for half a decade -- I can say with confidence that Tumblr is a far safer environment, but it's not because you can isolate yourself, since it's just as easy to be dogpiled on Tumblr as it is here [why else do people hate SJWs? They sic their followers on people. I've been a victim of that several times myself]. It's because the percentage of harmful people is lower than the percentage of harmful people on almost any fandom forum, not just this one.

That and forums aren't exempt from their own stereotypes and reputations. Just as we tend to view Tumblr as an SJW breeding ground, other places view forums as rabid fanboy hives that are often sexist, racist, homophobic, and filled with people that think they're way smarter than they actually are. [They're also more likely to contain people like CyberCubed that lord their opinion over others and treat it as fact. That's a stereotype too.] The only fandom forums I've been to that didn't carry a large userbase that conformed to these stereotypes were run by and for female and LGBT fans.

Also, many of these problems are multiplied when the userbase has lots of gamers or western comic book fans. This forum has both.

This environment is not "just the internet".

This entire explanation is foreign and strange to me.

I guess I don't frequent the Internet enough to get it fully.

Getting down to it, I don't frequent many fandom boards. I come here, a Detective Conan board, a You Can't Do That on Television forum and that's pretty much all I can think of that I go to semi regularly. You know, scratch that. I go to those other ones once in a blue moon. I watch videos way more.

I used to be a regular on the InvisionFree Support Forums. I saw peoples' forums every day, trying to help them with their problems, joining other forums, moderating them, the works. My whole life revolved around forums for years.

But I do consider it a good thing that you can't relate to my post. Means you've probably had it easier than me in regards to fandoms on the internet. That's good.

Most discussions on tumblr resolve around shipping and, "which female character is the best" for other fandom's.

Since TMNT has a lack of major female characters, and shipping in TMNT has always been practically non-existent, that kind of stuff doesn't really work here. The TMNT fandom hasn't been sitting here for the last 25 years saying, "Which girl should each Turtle wind up with?" and so forth.

This is not anime. This is not shipping. This is not female character wars. This is TMNT.

This is gatekeeping.