If you told people back in 2009 what the new TMNT movie would be like
 

..would anyone believe you? 2009 is when the movie deal was first made, so what if you could go back in time and make a post on this forum saying:

- The Turtles would all be 6 foot tall monsters with nostrils and humanoid faces

- April would be played by Megan Fox

- Eric Sachs, not Shredder, would be the main villain of the film

- Shredder would look like a robot

- The Turtles were originally planned to be aliens

- Shredder was going to be a white man Eric Sachs


Who would believe any of this? Sounds like truly awful fanfiction.

I'm sure that once Michael Bay was brought up, they'd believe it no problem.

People believed the boys were aliens, so they'll believe in anything tbh.

Well they were going to be aliens at one point.

Seriously, what the hell is your problem with turtle noses?

Turtles have nostrils.

Human beings can be 6 feet tall and muscular. Why can't fictional mutated humanoid turtles be as well?

Megan Fox is a disireable actress.

Eric Sachs was not Shredder.

The Turtles were not aliens.

If in 2009 someone told me a genuinely enjoyable Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie would be released in 2014, and that i could watch the excitement and enthusiasm in my kids' eyes as they enjoy the movie and spark an interest in something i enjoy as well, I would have been excited. Luckily that all really happened.

Well if it's factual info, then what's not to believe... though I do wish instead of keeping it under wraps for so long we'd have had more 'warning' much sooner and a longer time to warm up to/accept the debated aspects. Damn that future person for not showing up and posting.

They believed it yes but they didn't like it also that wasn't part if the story till at least 2011

This isn't fact though, none of it is it's all opinion, not everyone enjoyed it , and that's not limited to those on this board...some people loved it some didn't..that has nothing to do with what cubed actually asked

1- the TMNT don't have nostrils. At least not in mass media they don't. Turtles also have tails. Are you gonna make a big deal that they don't in the movie?

2- the TMNT were never 6 feet tall though. why screw that up?

3- agreed on Megan Fox, though I understand people wouldn't exactly put her on the top 10 actresses they wish would portray April O'Neil in a new TMNT movie

4- yes he was until they re-shot the whole thing. Even so, he was the main villain and Shredder was reduced to hire muscle.

5- yes they were til Eastman put his foot down

6- Oh you know that didn't happen. Don't kid yourself.

But wouldn't it have been weird if they didn't have noses in a 2014 movie? Lol I mean, how could they even breathe?
I can understand the complaints about all their other physical features like their lips, size, ect. But noses? It seems pretty appropriate for a modern day adaptation of the turtles, especially in live action.

Why? Why does it seem appropriate for a movie in 2014? Was in not in all the other movies, shows, comics before? How did they breathe before? What makes 2014 the appropriate era for tmnt with nostrils?

I'd probably have the same reaction when I first saw the Turtles designs. Laugh for 5 minutes straight, almost suffocating cause I couldn't draw any breath at the end.

I don't think I've ever laughed so hard when the first leaks appeared.

THIS! All of this!!! :D

A liveaction movie, in 2014.

A blob a skin in the middle of the face would look a bit off and cartoonish in a realistic setting. It looks fine in a cartoon or comic, and even the 1990 movies because the old Jim Henson suits were acceptable during that time. But now they would look really cheesy considering todays standards.

Well they could still use the classic look if they wanted to, but it just wouldn't fit with the world around them.

Cube whining about the nostrils again. Priceless. :lol:

Can't agree with that

Oh okay..

Its your opinion so im fine with that.

To answer the question: in 2009 I'd probably still be wondering about/hoping for a sequel to TMNT. And the minute I heard "Michael Bay" I'd get very nervous. Overall I think I'd feel the same way I do now - hugely disappointed.

To get into The Never-Ending Debate:

"People believed the boys were aliens" because they were revealed as aliens in an actual, official draft of the movie, and Michael Bay advertised that they would be aliens himself, in public. Are people really still trying to play that off as just a rumour? It was 100% the original plan.

I have no problem with nostrils. The "Out of the Shadows" designs did a decent job of adding small and subtle nostrils while keeping the overall classic designs pretty intact:

http://cdn.denofgeek.us/sites/denofg...?itok=nux56bbo

The thing is, those work fine because they look "right" as reptilian nostrils. The BayTurtles have pretty primate/mammal-looking noses and nostrils, which is a weird and off-putting design choice.

It's been covered about a million times already, but the Turtles' small stature and "cute" appearance are a part of their kinda visually-ironic appeal. Besides, they're supposed to be 15.

You can call her "desirable", and you can technically call her an "actress", but "desirable actress" is pushing it. :trazz:

It's all but guaranteed he was until they did some last-minute reshoots. He was absolutely intended to be before the casting became a controversy. William Fichtner has confirmed he was cast as the Shredder and it was changed late in the game.

Again - they absolutely were intended to be until the fans revolted. That was the original plan. They may have changed the plan in response to the outrage, but so many of their decisions were so flawed from jump street that it's very fair to us to question their management of the property.

For you it did. But for everyone else it varies wildly. This movie is overall very divisive and got a response that's mixed at best. Compared to how many other wildly successful and almost universally-beloved comic movies that are coming out like clockwork these days? The bar is set pretty high these days, and by comparison, I'd say this movie fell pretty damn short.

I think the classic look would look great today with a few subtle alterations/updates. Small nostrils are fine, and CGI could help with expressions and enhancements to an otherwise practical suit. But I honestly think the Henson suits hold up remarkably well, considering the era and the budget.

As much as I like the 2014 designs, I would have also preferred a face structure similar to Mateus Santolouco's interpretation of the turtles in the IDW comic. With the addition of the nostrils like the OOTS turtles. Kind of like 2k14 Leonardo in the new movie.
The flat faces of the turtles in the game kind of creep me out.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b6vPA0HBDj...mntshotfc3.jpg

While I might have preferred them to be a little taller, it would be better if we have gotten something like this instead.

It's not the bodies that don't hold up well, it's specifically the faces. They are wayyy too unrealistic. But I do agree that they were pretty impressive for a low-budgeted movie in the 90s.

But is it the design of the faces that don't hold up or the execution/production?

Yes, its basically the design of them.

Well, define unrealistic. They're not human characters - they're a wholly fictional creation. "Realistic" in a design sense doesn't really apply. And I feel that making them look more "human" just makes them less visually interesting.

Granted, the animatronic work was a bit limited at times (though it was incredible for a $13.5m budget in 1990), but SotO improved upon that and they were actually quite expressive and fairly natural-looking, all things considered. Taking similar (if not exactly the same) facial designs and using CGI to make the eyes and mouths more expressive and "flexible" would look fantastic, IMO.

All just my POV, of course. :)

"nostriless bulbish frog beaks with those huge cartoony eyes would look absolutely ridiculous in a modern LIVE ACTION movie."

What, these ones?

http://s17.postimg.org/zdcajxanz/tmntoriginal.jpg

Let's not exaggerate. The eyes are actually pretty well-proportioned, see? The heads are a bit big, but they look fine. (And I wonder how the BayTurtles' heads would look if you actually gave them normal, non-'roid-monster bodies?)

"Those massive teeth"

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/im...railer-new.jpg

What the hell? Your attitude does not stand for most of the opinion of this board. You're right, we don't watch **** in 320 and I will stand by the fact the original film still looks fantastic in 1080 as I have just watched it recently. Not everyone is a fan of this CGI-fest and I'm sure a handful of people would agree that the original designs have much more sense of realism. I get it though. You really, REALLY liked this movie and you want people to stop crapping all over something you enjoyed.

It's hard to let that go, I understand. Maybe one day though.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/8a5575e3...Iml1qz4rgp.gif

Way to be patronizing. God forbid you try to have a normal discussion.

"Your comparing a close up. . But there is no comparison"

Want some more?

http://s28.postimg.org/n7ystgp0d/2014_01.jpg
http://s28.postimg.org/9tlpxficd/2014_02.jpg
http://s28.postimg.org/qg3a6iba5/2014_03.jpg


"Those massive teeth... those huge cartoony eyes..."

http://s18.postimg.org/czw8km3fd/2014_don.jpg


"Even the head of lucus effects agreed. . You know the guy that leads a team of 300 special effects artist for a major production like this..."

So... the head of the company that worked on this movie? Ah, an unbiased source if ever there was one.


"what realistic mutated turtles could possibly look like."

Hahaha, what?


"Who is exaggerating?? lol"

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...43WAFc9L7TnRmf

http://s28.postimg.org/9uvnquk65/2014_04.jpg

:tlol::tlol::tlol::tlol::tlol::tlol:

This is just terrifying.

Like... again, people can say what they will about the original Henson suits. They were amazing at the time, and I'll argue till I'm blue in the face that they still hold up pretty well. I'll agree that they're not "perfect" by today's standards. But these new designs are deeply unpleasant to look at, and the Henson suits are not.

I didn't mean to start some kind of argument....:ohwell:

Wasn't you, dude! I thought we were having a good, pleasant little discussion/debate here until The Attitude came in. Same routine's happened more times than I can count. :trazz:

No reason we can't disagree and debate this stuff. It's always the few people who get hostile and patronizing that derail things.

Oh thank goodness, I was worried :tlol:

Yeah, that FX guy talking about how "goofy" the Henson suits looked with them having big teeth in an interview made me chuckle. Apparently he hasn't taken a good look at the PD Turtles, they got some pretty big teeth themselves.

I didn't see the interview, but was he one of the people who actually worked on the movie?

That I don't remember, it's been a while since I saw the interview.

Yep.. and THANK GOD I don't think the way some of you do.. I don't want anyone to do anything. If you think those rubber 25 year old suits look more " real " than that is your... problem lol. I post here rarely lately.. Bc I and many others find it to be a drag.. the same ol boring discussion. But when I do post.. BOOM there you are minutes later. You must be sitting in front of that screen 24/7 lol. Sheesh man. I like your little GIF though lol.. That's funny.



And many others. And Fans alike. If you are really going to sit here and compare those big ass saltines to the new one's than you are far more out of touch than I thought lol.
Yea ill have some more.. I have a few more minutes to amuse myself.

Edit:

How about this one?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...trjlg_G77pKWgl
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...9F68bcpkHNtQWi
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...6RdwqUeYgDKHQW
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...eHWLbhuYdR1N2A
Is that enough lol? I mean... are you kidding me? Are you really going to sit here and compare these traits? Btw Bryan.. Just to point out.. you purposely picked a picture of Donnie opening his eyes " which are behind glasses lol " in shock and alarm. Nice try though. And yes.. he id work on the movie. Him and 300 other visual effects artist..

I agree. it really is.

Cool. More personal attacks.

"If you think those rubber 25 year old suits look more " real " than that is your... problem lol."

They are more real. They're actual physical costumes, not data on a computer. That's as real as it gets.


"If you are really going to sit here and compare those big ass saltines to the new one's than you are far more out of touch than I thought lol."

I repeat:

http://s28.postimg.org/n7ystgp0d/2014_01.jpg
http://s28.postimg.org/9tlpxficd/2014_02.jpg
http://s28.postimg.org/qg3a6iba5/2014_03.jpg
http://s28.postimg.org/9uvnquk65/2014_04.jpg

The BayTurtles designs have some big ol' horse teeth too. It's a valid comparison.

Besides, this one?

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...6RdwqUeYgDKHQW

Those aren't the heads used in the actual movie.

And hey, more unprovoked personal attacks, huh? Remind me, how many times have you been banned for that already?

Personal attacks? lol Uh... try harder man. Really. What does " dur dur " imply? Enough with the demonization victim crap. It's the same thing all the time.. cry victim and then report over and over to silence someone you disagree with. At this point.. if you haven't noticed.. I really could give a ****. I dont need this site.. since it is the most negative cynical site I've ever been on concerning entertainment. The same " they ruined my turtles " everyday for months and months in every thread. And if you are insecure about being in front of your computer all day and night all the time then don't blame me.

Anyways.. Like I said. If you watch the 1080i version of the 1990 film you can see just how fake and rubbery they look FOR TODAYS STANDARDS. It's to bad some dislike CGI.. Even though you never hear anything about Apes.. or Rocket.. Animatronics is the " cool " thing to like these days. Im sorry.. but CGI is the way of the future. It will become more and more advanced until you literally cannot tell the difference. You can do things with CGI that you couldn't do practically. Not to mention safety.. CGI will never go away. A lot of work went into these turtles.. a lot of passion.. a lot of the artist were fans. Imo.. they did a great job. It took guts.. it was different and took most by surprise. But they don't owe anyone an apology and I am sure they are looking forward to the next one.

I'm not big on CGI at all because it's overly done. I miss the creativity and authenticity of practical effects, personally. When I heard there was going to be a new live action film, I know it was naive, but I was looking forward to guys in updated costumes with nice fight choreography.

As for the designs of the new turtles...they're just not aesthetically pleasing to the eye. They're too big and bulky for my tastes. I expect the turtles to be stealthy no matter the medium...kind of hard to picture that with this version. I fail to see the "ninja" part with them.

You are hilarious.