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TigerClaw 10-14-2014 08:33 PM

Jurassic World
 
With Jurassic World, The 4th Jurassic Park movie to come out on June 12 2015, They have officially released the 1st Teaser Poster, Check it out.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=109282

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz8qhiYCYAEHhDL.jpg

TheCanadiandrome 10-14-2014 08:54 PM

Looks so awesome

sdp 10-14-2014 09:57 PM

I've been pretty hyped for this movie since it was first announced back in 2002 I think. I've been following this movie for quite a while and like the direction for the most part.

Peanut 10-14-2014 10:23 PM

What's it about it/who's in it/who's behind it? Etc etc. Hook me up with info, gang. I'm too tired to do it on my own.

Cure 10-14-2014 10:30 PM

Fully functional park is open with daily visitors, bad things happen/Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard/bunch of nobodies.

CyberCubed 10-14-2014 11:02 PM

Why are people excited for this when the last two movies were lousy? Only the first Jurassic Park was any good before it got affected by sequel cash-ins.

sdp 10-14-2014 11:08 PM

The movie is set 20+ years after the original movie, it seems that it will ignore the sequels and yeah the park has been open for a few years now. The movie is set in Isla Nublar where the first movie happened (TLW and JP/// are in Isla Sorna). So yeah the whole part of the Island where the movie events happened seems to be blocked off and they'll be exploring a bit of that based on pictures which is something I always wanted to see as a kid. They'll also have a "genetically enhanced Dinosaur" called a D-Rex, now that sounds stupid but the Director has been saying all the correct words, he really seems to understand the franchise and what's important about it for example the reason there won't be returning main actors is because they don't make sense in a JP sequel which is totally true.

I think the movie is going to be quite entertaining and easily the best sequel but it definitely won't be anywhere near the original. Even so we'll finally have another good dinosaur movie and that's good enough for me since dinosaurs are awesome and they've lacked representation in a long time, hopefully it re-starts a "Dino-Fever" like the original Jurassic Park. I mean the only thing that could ever top the original movie is a reboot that is faithful to the novel.

Wildcat 10-15-2014 02:39 AM

Have been following it since last year. It was off and on for awhile before. Always knew another one would eventually happen.

I'm sure it'll be good if not great. Its been over 10 years since JP3 and its got a fresh cast. The park finally being operational should be cool to see.

D-Rex isn't meant to be a ridiculous monster. Just a bigger, scarier dinosaur. Its not based on a real dinosaur obviously but its more of a creation that scientists went too far with.

As far as we know. It could be a new dinosaur created to bring in more visitors after the novelty wears off. Within the movieverse the park has been open for awhile and people don't take it as serious anymore.

Refractive Reflections 10-15-2014 03:27 AM

I hope the plot has something a little more to it than just "bigger and badder" dinosaurs run loose.

As a few other posters said before, I don't know if any sequel will recapture the magic of the original because it was able to bring the scientific intrigue and repercussions of the vague world (at the time) of genetic engineering while combining it with an action-adventure tone of survival, which made the original movie engaging on many levels.

I remember reading about this project about how it was in development hell over creating several scripts. The most absurd was DNA splicing of dinosaurs and humans for military purposes, and another was (I'm not too sure about this) a virus that was found to spread from the dinosaurs to humans. So if this movie was finally able to get made after development hell, who knows... could Beverly Hills Cop 4 finally show up in the foreseeable future? :lol::lol:

But anyways, we'll see what appears with Jurassic World...

Wildcat 10-15-2014 03:49 AM

No sequel will recapture the same feeling of the original because we know more less what to expect and what the dinos look like. This doesn't mean its a bad thing. As long as its good and entertaining that's all that matters.

Those other supposed storylines were rumors and obviously ignored so we know nobody actually thought those were good ideas. The virus thing might work to a certain point but I don't know.

turtlefanforever 10-15-2014 10:40 AM

finally!
 
Been waiting so long for this. just watched the first 3 in a row the other day. But No Jeff Goldblum or Sam Neil? I don't know about this...

turtlefanforever 10-15-2014 10:45 AM

uh
 
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Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections (Post 1365753)
, who knows... could Beverly Hills Cop 4 finally show up in the foreseeable future? :lol::lol:

But anyways, we'll see what appears with Jurassic World...

Beverly hills cop 4 is set to come out 2016

Refractive Reflections 10-15-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever (Post 1365830)
Beverly hills cop 4 is set to come out 2016

It's targeted for that date, but there's no info about the production/filming occurring just yet, so it's easier for the film studio to pull the plug if pre-production still doesn't look good to them. And considering it's history, it needs something more substantial than "paperwork and talks" and having film incentives to show the studio is confident in investing in the movie project.

At least with Jurassic World, the filming has already finished on August 2014 and the promotional posters are already being released (as shown above), so the studio will be less likely to pull the plug on the project after going to this extent now (having to build several set scenes, pay the actors, and other production costs for filming).

Sumac 10-15-2014 12:32 PM

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Director has been saying all the correct words, he really seems to understand the franchise and what's important about it for example the reason there won't be returning main actors is because they don't make sense in a JP sequel which is totally true.
They all look like they understand what's important...than you end up with Terminator: Salvation or worse.

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Those other supposed storylines were rumors
Nope.
At least idea about human-dinosaurus hybrid went to the stage, when concept art and some 3D models were produced.

Leofan26 10-15-2014 02:50 PM

Newbie actors, newbie staff oh yah this spells disaster written all over.
I'm not getting my hopes up high for this one, I think they should have ended the fourth one with the entire team from the first film reuniting minus the guy in charge for clear reasons, guy died about a year ago right? Working against this new park.

Than if they ever decided to make a fifth film they could have done this, let the old cast go out with a bang.

sdp 10-15-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever (Post 1365828)
Been waiting so long for this. just watched the first 3 in a row the other day. But No Jeff Goldblum or Sam Neil? I don't know about this...

Now while I'd love to see them again and I'm bummed they aren't in the movie you can't hold this against the movie. It made little sense for Dr. Malcolm or Dr. Grant to come back to the island in their respected sequels. Story wise it just doesn't make sense for someone to have survived a situation (twice!) to go back into it. The fact that they aren't there because it makes no sense and that the director acknowledges bringing back characters without a reason is a good sign.


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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1365877)
They all look like they understand what's important...than you end up with Terminator: Salvation or worse.
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Well I didn't follow Terminator: Salvation, I'm not saying the movie won't be bad, we can't know until we see the movie, even the trailers can be deceiving. But at least we know its a director that cares about the franchises history and has said the correct things in all the interviews. Its not the mess that the pre-production of JP/// was or the new TMNT movie.

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Originally Posted by Leofan26 (Post 1365925)
Newbie actors, newbie staff oh yah this spells disaster written all over.
I'm not getting my hopes up high for this one, I think they should have ended the fourth one with the entire team from the first film reuniting minus the guy in charge for clear reasons, guy died about a year ago right? Working against this new park.

Than if they ever decided to make a fifth film they could have done this, let the old cast go out with a bang.

The cast of the original was mostly "newbie" actors, not to mention Chris Pratt is pretty damn famous now. The director might not have a lot under his belt but he has good movies under it. This is Universals highest grossing movie/franchise so they don't want to **** it up, that's the reason JPIV was in development hell for so long, they were waiting until they had the right formula.

A fourth one reuniting all the team of the first film makes no sense story wise and would've been a terrible film, and no he just died about a month ago.

turtlefanforever 10-15-2014 04:10 PM

hmm
 
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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1365935)
Now while I'd love to see them again and I'm bummed they aren't in the movie you can't hold this against the movie. It made little sense for Dr. Malcolm or Dr. Grant to come back to the island in their respected sequels. Story wise it just doesn't make sense for someone to have survived a situation (twice!) to go back into it. The fact that they aren't there because it makes no sense and that the director acknowledges bringing back characters without a reason is a good sign.


The cast of the original was mostly "newbie" actors, not to mention Chris Pratt is pretty damn famous now. The director might not have a lot under his belt but he has good movies under it. This is Universals highest grossing movie/franchise so they don't want to **** it up, that's the reason JPIV was in development hell for so long, they were waiting until they had the right formula.

A fourth one reuniting all the team of the first film makes no sense story wise and would've been a terrible film, and no he just died about a month ago.

this movie has dumpster fire written all over it. and even if it didn't make sense for either of them to be there they could still be through way of supporting characters. Kelly Malcom (Dr. Malcoms daughter) Could be working there. Same with Billy Brennan and Eric Kirby.

Sumac 10-15-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1365935)
Well I didn't follow Terminator: Salvation, I'm not saying the movie won't be bad, we can't know until we see the movie, even the trailers can be deceiving. But at least we know its a director that cares about the franchises history and has said the correct things in all the interviews. Its not the mess that the pre-production of JP/// was or the new TMNT movie.

That's how it always goes. All this words of assurance are only to pacify public. Even if movie obviously shapes to be a disaster, they still will try to convince everyone, that everything is fine.
I am not saying it's the case with JW, but I don't think words of director is 100% guarantee, that it will be a good picture.

ObiWanFan4life 10-15-2014 05:22 PM

Well, if for nothing else, the movie should be fun, especially with Chris Pratt in the lead. Can't be much worse than Jurassic Park III.

Metalwolf 10-15-2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1365707)
The movie is set 20+ years after the original movie, it seems that it will ignore the sequels and yeah the park has been open for a few years now.

So pretty much canon-wise, the 2nd and 3rd movie never happened?

TigerClaw 10-15-2014 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalwolf (Post 1366006)
So pretty much canon-wise, the 2nd and 3rd movie never happened?

I think the 2nd and 3rd happened, you have to take into account that many years has passed, And the 2nd and 3rd film took place on a different island.

FlawedCoil82 10-15-2014 08:37 PM

I just really hope that Triceratops will finally get some respect this time. The first time he was sick, the second time he had all of 5 seconds of screen time and third time he was only mentioned.

ProactiveMan 10-15-2014 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalwolf (Post 1366006)
So pretty much canon-wise, the 2nd and 3rd movie never happened?

I don't think they need to discount 2 and 3 for that plot to make sense. It could easily be just another case of industrial hubris, where some company, or billionaire builds another dinosaur park, despite it being a bad idea.

pennydreadful 10-15-2014 08:49 PM

I'm hopeful that it won't be a stinker, even though I thought both the sequels totally failed to capture what made the original so great. I'm pretty basic - I couldn't care less who's in it, I just want the raptors to show up and scare the crap out of me like they did in the original. To me, they're by far the coolest dinosaur.

I haven't really been following the news on it too much - it looks like they're sticking with the more mottled greenish color skin tones for the raptors? I kind of preferred the more grey/brown look that they had in the original film, but I'll wait and see what they pull out of their hat.

TigerClaw 10-15-2014 10:03 PM

And I liked the 2nd and 3rd one, I liked the 2nd one the Most cause of that San Diego scene at the end, It was a fun scene.

sdp 10-15-2014 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalwolf (Post 1366006)
So pretty much canon-wise, the 2nd and 3rd movie never happened?

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1366069)
I think the 2nd and 3rd happened, you have to take into account that many years has passed, And the 2nd and 3rd film took place on a different island.

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Originally Posted by ProactiveMan (Post 1366079)
I don't think they need to discount 2 and 3 for that plot to make sense. It could easily be just another case of industrial hubris, where some company, or billionaire builds another dinosaur park, despite it being a bad idea.

As disappointing as the sequels are they aren't terrible so I also don't want them to be ignored. The director has avoided the question and the only official statement that we have is that this is a "sequel set 22 years after the original movie". So it is pretty ambiguous whether the sequels are in continuity or not. But the premise of the movie basically makes it near impossible for the sequels to take place since the premise is that people are getting tired of the park. If we take the sequels into account that leaves less than ten years that the park has been opened and the basic plot doesn't make sense but if the sequels didn't happen then it makes the plot plausible. Also a single line of "the park has been operating for X years" in the movie would decanonize the sequels immediately.

I personally think for this reason they're leaving it ambiguous not to dissimilar than TMNT (2007) and other "soft" reboots. depending on how the movie does they can always explolre Isla Sorna for the "first" time in this new continuity or canonize them..They just don't want to be restricted storywise by the sequels which they didn't really do much storywise anyway and just convoluted things a bit.


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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever (Post 1365961)
this movie has dumpster fire written all over it. and even if it didn't make sense for either of them to be there they could still be through way of supporting characters. Kelly Malcom (Dr. Malcoms daughter) Could be working there. Same with Billy Brennan and Eric Kirby.

This movie is trash because returning characters that make no sense in returning aren't coming back? ok.

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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1365981)
That's how it always goes. All this words of assurance are only to pacify public. Even if movie obviously shapes to be a disaster, they still will try to convince everyone, that everything is fine.
I am not saying it's the case with JW, but I don't think words of director is 100% guarantee, that it will be a good picture.

Of course not and I mention that in my post, but its way more likely that it won't be bad because of the Director being so involved with the franchise and understanding it.

Davetello 10-15-2014 10:20 PM

They've discovered that the velociraptor was far smaller than they thought in 1992, and was also covered in feathers. They might have to change the name of the 'raptor' in the new film, because there was a dinosaur similar to how it was depicted in the original film, but I can't remember its proper name.

Machias Banshee 10-15-2014 10:53 PM

Human Dinosaur hybrids, huh? This is the first I heard of it.

.... or is it? ;)

I remember around the time the first movie came out, they had discovered Utahraptor, which was closer to the dimensions of the movie raptors' designs.

Though I must admit, the raptors from the third movie were pretty amazing... :tlove:

I can't wait to see this. I only recently heard that they were actually in the productive process of actual dinosaurs and sets, so I've been looking around for stuff like crazy. But youtube is full of either fan predictions or fake trailers. :ohwell:

sdp 10-15-2014 10:59 PM

Yeah the Utahraptor was discovered before the first JP movie came out so it doesn't even make sense they'd change the name now. As far as feathers its controversial and I'm not happy but they decided to go with no feathers. The new trailer comes out in November so its not a long wait anymore, it'll only be a teaser so don't expect much. And yeah the human hybrid stuff was something that was in pre-production for a while but never got anywhere as did dozens of other pitches in the ten years of development hell between JP/// and JW actually began production.

Darth Knuckles 10-16-2014 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Davetello (Post 1366167)
They've discovered that the velociraptor was far smaller than they thought in 1992, and was also covered in feathers. They might have to change the name of the 'raptor' in the new film, because there was a dinosaur similar to how it was depicted in the original film, but I can't remember its proper name.

Yeah I think you're thinking of a Deinonychus or maybe even a Dromaeosaurus as what the Velociraptors in the original Jurassic Park looked like. They are a taller form of the Velociraptor and have a broader thicker head than do Velociraptors. I just thought that they went with Velociraptor for Jurassic Park because they figured more people could pronounce Velociraptor than how to say Deinonychus.

Davetello 10-16-2014 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Knuckles (Post 1366231)
Yeah I think you're thinking of a Deinonychus or maybe even a Dromaeosaurus as what the Velociraptors in the original Jurassic Park looked like. They are a taller form of the Velociraptor and have a broader thicker head than do Velociraptors. I just thought that they went with Velociraptor for Jurassic Park because they figured more people could pronounce Velociraptor than how to say Deinonychus.

Deinonychus. That's the name - thanks pal.

Sumac 10-16-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalwolf (Post 1366006)
So pretty much canon-wise, the 2nd and 3rd movie never happened?

Why?
Both movies are pretty much things of their own. There is no reason to drop them from timeline.

Darth Knuckles 10-17-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Davetello (Post 1366236)
Deinonychus. That's the name - thanks pal.

No problemo dude!

TheCanadiandrome 10-19-2014 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1366151)
And I liked the 2nd and 3rd one, I liked the 2nd one the Most cause of that San Diego scene at the end, It was a fun scene.

i myself also loved all of the Jurassic Park movies as well

sdp 11-21-2014 10:41 PM

www.masraniglobal.com/main.html

Viral site for Jurassic World from the company that owns JW and JurassicWorld.com is also live as a "real" website for the park. (jurassicworldmovie.com is the website for the movie). The sites basically reveal the timeline and fit not only the sequels nicely but also incorporate the Telltale game with some references to it. The park has been operating for 10 years (at the time the movie comes out) without problems and they hint that they have something special planned for the 10th anniversary. Dr. Henry Wu will be back from the first movie.

Trailer comes out in Thankgiving.

TheCanadiandrome 11-21-2014 10:47 PM

that's awesome

Leo656 11-22-2014 05:26 PM

I only finally saw all three just recently and while the second and third weren't "bad" (just badly-written and thought-out), there are huge flaws with the JP story being turned into a franchise. Basically, based on the events of the first movie (and the ending of the second), you can't continue the story. Firstly, the entire idea behind breeding dinosaurs for a theme park has been proven beyond disastrous, so nobody should ever be in a hurry to replicate the "success" of the original scientists. And secondly, didn't the second one feature a dinosaur trashing large parts of San Francisco? HOW would anyone ever get the funding and the "A-OK" from the government - ANY government! - to not only continue producing dinosaurs, but to actually open up a fully-functional theme park FULL of them, as in this new movie? There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's "Everyone Is An Idiot". And the story of Jurassic Park ONLY continues past One movie if Everyone Is An Idiot. Everyone in the WORLD has to be a giant idiot if there's a fully-functioning theme park full of dinosaurs and nobody in the movie's universe thinks it can go wrong, to the point they actually build the park and it runs successfully for TEN YEARS. That's just bad storytelling. And it comes from the problem of Making Money; the first movie was a parable about Not Playing God, and it did it effectively; the second and third movies were about, "Dinosaurs Are Neat, And Also, Look What We Can Do With SFX You Guys!"

Since my wife is a huge fan we'll inevitably see it, but I didn't really like the last two and I just don't see how you can continue the story WITHOUT having to ignore anything based in reason or logic entirely. But I'm sure it will look great, which seems to be as high as they're aiming anyways.

pennydreadful 11-22-2014 06:21 PM

The second one would've been fine if they'd just followed the book more closely, IMO. In the book, Dodgson from the first movie came back and was the main villain. Spielberg clipped most of the major action scenes from the novel but changed large portions of the rest of the content. That entire San Francisco tangent was pure Spielberg. As was the whole father/daughter thing with Malcolm and Kelly. And the infamous death-by-acrobatics scene.

The novel had a very interesting sub-plot where it explored the ramifications of the dinosaurs (in particular, the raptors) not having had adults to learn normal social behaviors from, comparing their intra-aggressive behavior to the learned (and cooperative) behavior of pack-hunting African super-predators.

sdp 11-23-2014 12:41 AM

My opinions of the sequels:

TLW:JP - Ambitious movie that doesn't deliver, it has a great premise but it can't live up to it so it fails. The movie has some great moments which are ruined by small things like the acrobatics raptor scene and the T-Rex in San Diego. Still I like the movie it just fails to capitalize on all the great stuff it has.

JP/// - Not ambitious at all, its a basic premise but unlike TLW it delivers what it set out to do so while not moving the story forward a lot it at least does the things it tries right. I don't particularly like the ending/last 5 minutes of the film though.

Both sequels have flaws but I can overlook them, of course they don't live up to the original but its hard because the original tells a story and completes it, the sequels can only do so much but I still enjoy more stories from that universe even if none will ever be as good as the one that sets the whole thing up. So yeah I like the sequels but to a regular fan I'd only recommend the first one as a must see movie and only the sequels if they want to see more dinosaurs. I think Jurassic World will actually be a better movie than TLW and /// but it also won't be as good as the original it just can't be topped (unless we had a reboot based only on the book) we'll see next year.

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1382720)
I only finally saw all three just recently and while the second and third weren't "bad" (just badly-written and thought-out), there are huge flaws with the JP story being turned into a franchise. Basically, based on the events of the first movie (and the ending of the second), you can't continue the story.

I disagree, you have an island full of dinosaurs there's plenty of stories you can tell. Sure none of those stories can outdo the original story which sets the premise of dinosaurs on the island but you can still have fun Dinosaur stories.

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Firstly, the entire idea behind breeding dinosaurs for a theme park has been proven beyond disastrous, so nobody should ever be in a hurry to replicate the "success" of the original scientists. And secondly, didn't the second one feature a dinosaur trashing large parts of San Francisco? HOW would anyone ever get the funding and the "A-OK" from the government - ANY government! - to not only continue producing dinosaurs, but to actually open up a fully-functional theme park FULL of them, as in this new movie? There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's "Everyone Is An Idiot". And the story of Jurassic Park ONLY continues past One movie if Everyone Is An Idiot. Everyone in the WORLD has to be a giant idiot if there's a fully-functioning theme park full of dinosaurs and nobody in the movie's universe thinks it can go wrong, to the point they actually build the park and it runs successfully for TEN YEARS. That's just bad storytelling. And it comes from the problem of Making Money; the first movie was a parable about Not Playing God, and it did it effectively; the second and third movies were about, "Dinosaurs Are Neat, And Also, Look What We Can Do With SFX You Guys!"
I disagree, you're talking about some of the most impressive animals to ever live on this earth being brought back from extinction, do you think that any disaster would stop companies trying to profit from continuing the project? Or the average person would no longer want these creatures to be seen? Of course they want to see them they'd just take more precautions. I can only agree that the sequels don't tell anything new move the story forward or send a better message but there's still fun stories to tell on an island full of dinosaurs.

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Originally Posted by pennydreadful (Post 1382744)
The second one would've been fine if they'd just followed the book more closely, IMO. In the book, Dodgson from the first movie came back and was the main villain. Spielberg clipped most of the major action scenes from the novel but changed large portions of the rest of the content. That entire San Francisco tangent was pure Spielberg. As was the whole father/daughter thing with Malcolm and Kelly. And the infamous death-by-acrobatics scene.

The novel had a very interesting sub-plot where it explored the ramifications of the dinosaurs (in particular, the raptors) not having had adults to learn normal social behaviors from, comparing their intra-aggressive behavior to the learned (and cooperative) behavior of pack-hunting African super-predators.

I have mixed opinions about this, on one hand you are right all the bad things about TLW are the things Spielberg changed from the book. However I don't know if I can say it was the wrong move, if you think about it Spielberg also changed many things about the original book in the first film, only difference is the changes he made in the first movie were indeed better. Hammond's character and the ending and even the gate are so iconic and we have Spielberg to thank for the iconic look and characterization which he changed from the book. So while Spielberg changes gave us a shittier TLW, it also gave us a more awe-inducing moments in the first film. So Spielberg doing changing things can be good or bad and I'm ok with him doing it even if he ruins some movies if it can give us awesome depictions in others.

Sumac 11-23-2014 05:06 AM

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The movie has some great moments which are ruined by small things like the acrobatics raptor scene and the T-Rex in San Diego.
It was the best scene in the otherwise boring movie.


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