Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows
 

http://comicbook.com/2014/10/30/marv...ir-vows-in-su/

I want to trust them with this...but if anything, I think this does lend credibility to the rumors Marvel will just give everyone in 616 happy endings and reboot

Educated guess would be a relaunch of Spider-Girl Peter and Mary Jane's daughter. That would mean Marvel is publishing a book where they are married just not in a mainstream title.

Marvel's editor has claimed the 2015 summer events are not alternate realitys and that everything is going to count, also Mayday was never a redhead, which the child in the teaser image for this is, and she's far too young here to be a superhero, so no, I think this is strictly a Spider-Man story and not leading to an out-of-continuity book.

It could be 616 will reboot and they're just tying up loose ends for their characters (I hear Daredevil is having his sight restored soon as well) before doing so.

Oh, please let this be true! I've been waiting for YEARS for them to fix the colossal mistake of undoing the marriage, and I'd like to think that the daughter from the OMD arc will eventually be born. This is (hopefully) good news!!

Well its about time! :D

Sorry, its just easy to be skeptical with the way the big run things. The long held rumor about the Fantastic Four being put on hiatus tuned out to be true. While I do believe you its just I don't want to get my hopes up. I though May Day Parker was in that image? How can a daughter appear out of thin air and make Peter and Mary Jane feel obligated to get married? One More Day daughter? There was the one during the messy clone saga that the waitress caused to be stillborn but I don't know about that. I only got ASM#645 to read what the whole marriage erasure was all about so I did not get the whole story or read the immediate fallout.

We don't know if this girl is the daughter that MJ apparently miscarried in the Clone Saga, it was always implied she was abducted and not killed, which the Spider-Girl writers went with when they launched her own book, she could also be the second child Peter and MJ would have had if they had said no to Mephisto (as OMD implied MJ was pregnant via a scene where she had morning sickness)

All we know is that, according to Marvel, the events in 2015 all count and occur in "real time" as opposed to "Marvel time" (aka no sliding time-scale) that could mean a variety of things, possibly even that the events of 2007-2014 will be retconned and weaved around a timeline where Peter and MJ stayed married, their daughter would be seven years old in "real time" so just about the right age for that picture

If that's the case, I might actually start reading it again. I was so completely frustrated and angry when the OMIT arc effectively slapped all of us fans of the marriage in the face, that I basically stopped reading it almost completely, since it was quite obvious by then that Quesada and his current crop of writers never had any intention of getting them back together, and were simply stringing fans along to get their hopes up for an eventual reunion. The thought that a comic book's higher ups would stoop that low- basically leading the story along by the nose in their preferred direction- just really didn't sit well with me, and I've mostly given up on Spidey since then. I had HOPED that someone would eventually pick up that story thread somewhere down the road, but why did it take them THIS LONG??!! Just stupid and arrogant, IMHO. Maybe they finally caved to the tidal wave of backlash and realized the fans can't just be ignored or made to endure plot directions they don't like forever. It's about time.... :trolleye:

I think the fact they've had to relaunch the book twice now has something to do with it.

It might just be something to do with the editors of the Spidey books changing hands also, with Wacker moving on to Marvel Animation, Nick Lowe took over and in no time at all we're getting things like new characters in Silk and Spider-Gwen, an increase in female-led Spider titles, Mayday returning, and now this.

Keep in mind that, as soon as Quesada was promoted to CCO and away from the EIC seat in 2011, Slott quickly removed Carlie Cooper as a love interest barely a year after she became one, and routinely 'ship-teased Peter and MJ, only interupting it with the Superior plotline, (although, in that story, he proceeded to make everyone look like a bigger tool than they were in the BND run, OMIT included), it's hard to predict where he stands on things, but if an order has come down on high to restore things, maybe Disney are concerned about the implications of a flagship brand of theirs being in leauge with Satan

Ah, interesting. I wasn't aware of the (I'm guessing recent) changes in the editorship and other stuff. I'm glad to hear of the new additions, and Carlie being kicked to the curb. She's nice, but I just didn't see her with him long term. I've missed quite a bit, it seems. Who is Silk? Spider-Gwen? :teek: WTF??!! I guess I may have some catching up to do now.

I'm glad to see Mayday getting her book back. I kind of liked the Spider-Girl book, as it was a nice alternate take on Peter's life. And May herself was a fun, interesting, and well-written character.

Oh yeah, just look in this section and you'll find a thread about Spider-Gwen. She's from a paralel universe where the spider bit HER, Peter became the Lizard in her reality and died fighting her, and she got blamed so she's hunted by the police. She revealed her identity to her father, and now she's helping the Spider-Men fight Morlun and the Inheritors in Spider-Verse

Silk is basically a girl who was bitten by the same Spider that bit Peter (yes, an origin retcon) and was kept locked in a building for thirteen years by Ezekiel until Peter found her. Silk and Peter, sharing the same bite and powers, develop a primal sexual attraction to each other and constantly make out (no, I am not joking)

Silk's a bit of a mary sue, and a worse one than Carlie under Slott's writing, but that may change once she's phased out of Peter's book.

...Oh boy...I don't think you want to know what Slott's done to her...

"Renew Your Vows" is one of many realitys that will form a nation of the new Battleworld in the Secret Wars event

Fans curious about this event will want to pick up a copy of Spider-Verse#2, out today, there's a story that takes place during the climax of the event (still a month or so away) and it features

Darn it. Serves me right for getting my hopes up. Glad I'm not buying them anymore- I'd just be cursing myself for spending the money.

So, basically, both DC and Marvel this year are trying to appease readers unhappy with the current direction by showing them a bunch of snippets of things they'd much prefer to see?

Comics are weird now. Things are weird when the best way they can sell you what they're doing Now is to remind you of what you'd rather see them do, things you liked a lot better 5-10 Years Ago.

Agreed. I lost faith in ASM after the One Moment In Time arc. Killed my interest in the "new" Spidey for the forsee-able future.

I think the modus operandi of both companies, particulary with DC's choice of wording about Convergence's purpose ("closure"), is to try and gently tell the older readership to "go away" after this so they can pursue a more youthful market, and they feel like giving you a nostalgia pop will make you feel better about the kind of yarn they're spinning now.

Good stories make me feel better, consistency of character and not outright assassination make me feel better, and a continuity I can actually follow and not put myself through mental loops trying to figure it out makes me feel like a KING.

I can only hope, given Slott's tendency to play "Mr. Set Up" that this leads to a married Spidey spin-off title

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=58625

So they're telling us something by NOT telling us about it. Yay. I'm beyond caring at this point. They lost me as a reader for Spidey YEARS ago, and have only succeeded in insulting me as a fan since then. Thanks Quesada, you managed to utterly KILL the franchise by trying to make it "youthful and relevant"! :tcry::tmad::tgrumble::trolleye: < (The four stages of my interest in post-OMD Spidey.)

Apparently it came to light yesterday from someone who talked to Slott at a convention that "Renew Your Vows" is some sort of compromise for Slott as he had been pitching for Peter and MJ's marriage to be brought back for a while now, with editorial refusing. This sounds really iffy given Slott's attitudes towards MJ and how he's written her in his run so far. And any MJ who appeared in Spider-Verse was either not given any real page time, was killed horribly, or was a generic heavy for the bad guys who got flattened with one punch. The only MJ that was given any dignity in that event was the daily strip version, which has to keep going regardless

Sounds about right to me. I've suspected as much since he took over the full duties of writing Amazing Spider-Man.

It's pretty clear when he gives interviews or posts on message boards that we shouldn't take a lot of what he says seriously. The debacle of "killing" Peter Parker and how he promoted that idea that he was definitely dead, not coming back and that fans would eventually forget the character should have shown everyone this.

Slott's writing does seem to favour continuity and I have a hard time believing he wouldn't at least be interested in telling one or two stories with the marriage intact. As for his portrayal of Mary Jane herself - that's always going to be tricky situation. Some might argue OMD is always going to be an elephant in the room until/unless it was reversed but it especially is an elephant in the room when Mary Jane is present in the story. The idea of still having MJ as a supporting character is laudable but how to you address that the characters should together even though the can't be? I think portraying them as incompatible is probably the only way. Better in my mind if at the time there was no chance Marvel was going to reverse their stance on the marriage.

Also I guess we're going to overlook Stan Lee wrote out the marriage in the newspaper and brought it back in Dallas-like fashion due to fan demand? On this issue I don't have any more respect for the newspaper strip than I do for Marvel itself.

The problem with writing them as incompatible is that they're NOT. This was pretty clear for years, even though they had their ups and downs, their brief separation, and the loss of the baby. What literally KILLED that idea was OMIT, where M-J was written COMPLETELY OOC by saying she couldn't be with him because- apparently she forgot all those years where she had supported him through EVERYTHING, her personal moments of heroism, and even the fact that she KNEW who and what he was before they ever actually met!

She is the ONLY woman who has ever been able to "keep up" with him emotionally as well as in practical terms, simply because they share so much in history, love, and interests. They ARE compatible on so many levels, at least up until that arc destroyed their relationship with an ill-considered speech from M-J about how she wanted a "normal life" with kids and all that, and couldn't have it with him, because- why?? He wanted the same things, but they had always made it work in the past (with some bumps, of course), yet suddenly she throws in the towel over what was completely out of left field for her as a character. It felt so forced, and that's the only reason they can't address it now, without admitting that the entire arc was OOC and stupid in the first place.

Accoring to the strip's writers, that was just a publicity stunt and the marriage was always going to come back. Stan did not agree with what Peter did in OMD, and he obviously wanted to make the strip a priority in the post-marriage age. It's worked so far. The strip has gotten more attention over the years and is now being collected from the beginning in trades from IDW. Slott even protected it from the events of Spider-Verse rather than involve anyone from the strip in it (taking a jab at the strip's slow-paced nature in the process)

As for making Peter and MJ seem incompatible...it doesn't gel because their lives have similar baggage,they have shared numerous battles together, both in the practical and the psychological sense, and that's why they understand each other the most and are very compatible, true it has been established before that it was just MJ's "selfishness" and tendency to run that keeps them apart, but these are problems MJ has triumphed over several times, to the point in one universe she was raising two children with him, one of whom was a super hero. Indeed, at the end of Spider-Verse, MC2 MJ decides to encourage her daughter to fight crime in her father's outfit mere days after his dangerous lifestyle catches up to him and leads to his death and the destruction of their house (Slott even takes a jab at the way he's treated 616 MJ when, earlier in the event, he had Mayday proclaim that MC2 MJ would "never leave Peter ever, not in his moment of greatest need")

In the newspaper strip, she's never run from Peter and has willingly jumped straight into danger to investigate Peter's enemies or to try and save him from them.

Indeed, prior to the current storyline where she is filming a b movie, MJ had not been a big component of the newspaper strip for two and a half years, she was used quite sparingly while Peter traveled to different cities (and even a foreign state) or focused on his own antics with Jameson and Doc Ock. Whenever she did appear though, it pushed the story forward in an effective manner and she was still as supportful and in-character as ever. You can take MJ out for a little while and slip her back in with no real fuss to be had from her and make readers feel assured Peter's hard work had a reward at the end. You don't need to make her the "elephant in the room", you instead just need to make her a pair of comfortable slippers

If Marvel's attempts currently are to show why Peter and MJ are "impossible" for one another, it's taken them too late to achieve it, as history, past and present, speaks for itself

Hear, hear!! ^ I approve this post.

Not really anything new, but Alonzo has said things about Renew Your Vows

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ar...of-secret-wars

Spider-Man renews his vows on June 3rd

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/16...ider-man-story

Solit for the June issues

Why do I keep checking your news posts? I just keep getting more and more depressed....

Did you read Quesada's inane drivel he posted on Friday where he said nobody except Stan himself could top what they were doing with Spidey now? What a middle finger to DeMatties, DeFalco, and JMS.

I do find it a bit ironic he said "noone except Stan", and Stan's current work still happens to involve a married Spidey.

So will this jumpstart a new spidey book after Secret Wars or will Amazing just continue off of #19, which is the last Amazing issue in the solicits. I really don't think a satisfying finale can be achived in 3 issues.

Also, Stern's Spiderman is a great run if anyone didn't read it.

We don't know, according to Slott, "elements" of Renew Your Vows will filter into the books after Secret Wars

In the meantime, the Spiral storyline will be continuing, and Peter will show up in Silk#5 according to the June solits, so even if they're tying up plot threads in ASM, the regular Spidey will still be kicking about at least for now.

Fun fact: Dan Slott is publicly stalking me:D

:lol: Damn, son.

That's the funniest thing I've seen in some time. :lol:

Zarius, you are henceforth and forevermore the Angry Sock Puppet of the Technodrome! :tlol::tlol::tlol:

Should make that his User Title.

It was quite the scene last night. According to the guy I collect decapitated Barbies and fingernail clippings. Made my weekend, last thing I posted before the latest permaban was "better main event than Lesnar vs Reigns" and then the thread got purged

I managed to 'cap the entire conversation though

Not gonna lie - and I'm sure that some folks will take this wrong/too harsh, but whatever - stuff like that is why I limit all my "fan" conversations to this forum. No comic boards, no wrestling boards, no movie boards, no music boards, no cartoon forums, not a damn thing. Because the more I see, the more I'm convinced that "fans" are a bunch of raving lunatics, and I can't think of too many things worse than arguing/debating with them like it's a full-time job.

This place gives me about all I can handle of that stuff. I used to go on a couple wrestling and comics forums, way waaaaaay back, but it's such a drag. I completely hate discussing my interests with other, supposedly "like-minded" people. Either they disagree with me for stupid reasons, or (kind of) worse, they "agree" with me for nonsensical reasons that make me question if we're even speaking the same language, let alone liking the same things. It's like, you'd think nerds wouldn't be such awful people, but a lot of 'em really are. :lol:

Nerds give other nerds a bad name. :tgrumble:

Decapitated Barbies? Fingernail clippings? Dude... I want to read the conversation! :tlol: