"Secret Wars" Event To Merge Mainstream And Ultimate Marvel Universes Together
 

Marvel Comics have revealed the game-changing events of the forthcoming Secret Wars event by Jonathan Hickman will see the death of the mainstream and Ultimate Marvel universes, with both merging and forming part of Battleworld, where various other universes will seek refuge on to hold off extinction for as long as they can.


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So its happening, even the Ultimate universe is too old now they have to do another full reboot.

Between DC's New 52, the Star Wars continuity being restarted at Marvel with Dark Horse continuity being "non-canon", and now Marvel its all happening.

Makes you wonder if comics as a whole are a dying medium and should be put out to pasture.

I'm not sure what to think about this.

This is why I don't read comics except for TMNT ever. (Well, and Skullkickers.)

Mainstream comics, be it DC or Marvel, are not a satisfactory medium for storytelling. Actions have no permanent consequences; death, identity revelations, love relationships... none of it is permanent. A new writer comes on board, and previous editorial directions are ignored. If you like a series or a writer, just wait; it will change. And if you don't like a series or a writer, just wait; it, too, will change.

I love Batman and all of his supporting characters, Iron Man, Captain America, Flash, Green Arrow, but I don't read the comics. To me, they are nothing but source material from which to create amazing television shows, cartoons, and movies. Because there, actions have consequences and I don't have to worry about the next six months being nothing but build-up to the next big crossover event which is there only to boost lagging sales and B and C-list characters.

Oh, and that's another thing: far too many comic stories rely on characters outside that particular series. If I'm a Batman fan, I may not be interested in Wonder Woman, Superman, Green Lantern, et al. I understand the occasional crossover, but mainstream comics seem to do them to death.

For examples (all from Batman, the only comic series I keep tabs on but don't read):

• Court of Owls/Night of Owls: the main storyline is great, but the majority of the crossover issues (Robin, Batgirl, Red Hood, etc) were forgettable
• Death of the Family: ditto
• Zero Year: again, ditto
• Eternal: dragging on way too long, now existing only to drag out a story to 52+ issues

But hey, for those of you who disagree and like mainstream comics, more power to you. Glad you can enjoy them!

The rule of reading mainstream comics is to make your own "canon." You decide which storylines and characters "count" and which don't.

You can't follow continuity of everything anyway and everything is retconned or done away with every 10 years anyway. Make your own personal canon, that way you can pick and choose which stories count in your personal universe.

I understand the "headcanon" thing... heck, a lot of us do that with TMNT (Image Volume 3)!

But I think it's still disingenuous to readers to flood the market with a lot of stuff that goes nowhere or cancels out pre-existing stories. Whereas movies, television, and novels, which are more limited by the amount of work involved, are much more deliberate in crafting an ongoing continuing story. It takes longer to do things, but those things have weight.

Of course, not collecting comics does have its disadvantages, too; for example, Jason Todd is probably my favorite Batman character, but he's still only appeared in one DC film so far: Under the Red Hood. Never shown in the Batman TAS cartoon, nor any of the live-action films. The odds of me seeing a dynamite "Under the Hood" movie in theaters? Slim.

DC/Marvel comics should follow their cartoon/movie counterparts where a universe goes on for a few years and has a concrete ending, and then a new series comes along as a reboot.

For example we don't have one continuous Batman show going on since the 30's. No, there are different shows "60's Batman," B:TAS, The Batman, etc. and they all end. Then a new series comes along as a reboot.

Comics are intended to go on forever but after a decade writers and the fanbase changes so they should just end the series and do a reboot

Looks like the house of ideas is out of ideas.

I'm not sure why they bothered with an announcement. We already knew that two were merging together as well as with a bunch of other alternate earths to create the new Battleworld.

We know they'll all become un-merged at the end of Secret Wars since we know of at least one title confirmed post Secret Wars that takes place an alternate universe and several more 616 based books that will carry on their story lines from before the event.

At most I can see some elements of the other universes particularly the Ultimate Universe permanently merging with the main Marvel Universe. I think we can safely assume Miles Morales' history will be transferred to the regular Marvel U.

Yay! ....though I kinda liked him being THE Spiderman of his universe....(then again Peter Parker came back anyway so I guess that doesn't matter now)

I haven't bought a monthly superhero comic in years, with the exception of the recent She-Hulk series. And that's going to cancelled soon...

I also recently started picking up the new Superman run, but I'll drop it whenever John Romita Jr. leaves (his storytelling and world-building is very subtle).

What about indie stuff? Even TMNT sort of counts as a superhero book. Like what often happens with people's perception of animation, I wish the general public saw comics as a medium rather than as a genre. The reason these reboots happen is because they are a surefire way to generate money from a dwindling hardcore fanbase.

I love comics--I even have a webcomic that I write/pencil/letter/color--but the business end of it sickens me sometimes.

So Marvel is basically doing the same thing DC did with the New 52? Ending all current series and doing a clean slate for a new continuity/universe, only keeping some elements from past series around as canon?

Seems so. I read this is a direct mandate from Disney to synch it all up with the MCU

F*ck that. A plain reboot would be fine I guess, but connecting it to the MCU? No.

Civil War is being brought back for this too, in a scenario where the war never ended even after the registration act came and went.

That is the most depressing news since OMD.... I think I'm done with Marvel now- unless they can REALLY convince me it's worthwhile again, which I doubt. Guess I'll just be sticking with TMNT until then.

Spider-Island is being revisited, the same book will also feature a back-up story featuring the MC2 universe coping with the events of Battleworld and the aftermath of Spider-Verse, with Mayday in her new role as Spider-Woman grieving her father's recent death and adjusting to Uncle Ben being a part of her family.

Also, on Free Comic Book Day, there will be a taster issue for "All-Different Avengers" which will feature the line-up for the team in the new Marvel Universe. Confirmed so far are Kamala Khan, She-Thor, Vision, and Kid Nova.

I saw that!!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/im...le-2-24e23.jpg

I'm hoping the one in the middle is Miles.....(please be Miles....) though he looks like he's wearing pants...:cry:

I love Kamala and like Nova so if Miles is on the team I will totally be checking this comic out! *___*

(initiating Old Man Voice)

Back in my day, we had one Marvel universe, and one DC Universe in comics.

What went wrong?

Not true. Multiverses have existed since "The Flash Of Two Worlds".

so they revealed the new Avengers team.

it's probably gonna be revealed tomorrow to everyone but here it is early

SPOILER~ of picture with whole team~


how I feel:
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aaaah yea got my 2 favorite characters I'm good!

Now confirmed by Marvel.

Wonder if that means Peter will retire after Renew Your Vows?

If he does, then so will I. NOT. A. FAN. OF THIS.

I'd love for Peter to get a happy ending, where he ties up loose ends and reveals himself to all of his close friends and family. He doesn't get attacked any more or anything, he just has a happy ending while being married to MJ.

He gives the spiderman mantle to someone new, who isn't black peter.

I thought you were already done with Spider-Man comics anyway?

Superior Spider-Man captured lightning in a bottle and proved you could go a year and a stretch without Peter as the core character and it works. Miles likewise kept the Ultimate Universe afloat and proved you can "retire" even a younger Peter and let Miles do his thing and it has resulted in massive cross-promotional appeal and a sizeable following.

I grew up on Ben Reily, Kane, and Mayday, I'm used to Spidey being better utilized as a legacy character than as the main attraction. This I don't mind. At all. I would rather have Peter finally grow and settle with MJ and their kid and be a part-timer and a mentor figure than the drained, un-inspirational man-child he has been for almost a decade now. If Marvel are not interested in telling that many new stories with Peter, then it's all the best they wait until they feel it is the right opportunity to again do so and give us something different.

the team looks so interesting!

I mean 4 adults and 3 teens! It's gonna be awesome!

also I love Kamala, Miles, and Sam so bring it on!!

Don't know much about the new Thor, but I like her outfit so there's that XD

That makes one of us.

IDK if it's just me, but I REALLY dislike Sam as Nova. I think it's mostly because of how I first saw him in the "Ultimate Spider-Man" show, and that pretty much ruined the character for me.

I do like Richard Rider though. He was awesome.

oh I hate him in Ultimate Spiderman too.

but then I found his comic and it was such an improvement I ended up liking him XD

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ar...canny-inhumans

Alonzo is indicating the Spidey from Avengers may not be Miles. Oh he's such a card.:D

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That better be Miles.

Not completely done, just mostly tired of all the crap they've done to him. I gave the BND thing a shot for over a year, and it pissed me off when they basically threw his relationship with M-J under the bus with OMIT. Spider-Ock is another bad direction I don't care for, though I honestly haven't actually read anything newer than the end of the Spider-Island arc. But enough is enough, already.

I started reading the Spidey books for PETER, not Miles, or Ock in Pete's body, or Spider-Gwen, or- well, any of that stuff. Silk, Iron Spider, "new" Venom, "new" Spider-Girl/Woman- every decision they have made since the end of OMD has made me less and less interested in the comic, because it's not about Peter anymore, it's about...all these OTHER people in the Spidey SUIT. Seriously, they could give it to Deadpool at this point, and who would know the difference? Actually, that might make me want to read it again, since Deadpool is a character I at least like and care about. I couldn't give two craps about any of those others. It just doesn't FEEL like Spider-Man anymore, at this point. So if that's what they're going forward with, then I really AM done. Might still pick up Deadpool or the Avengers, but I'll just pretend the new stuff doesn't exist with Spidey.

Funny thing there was a brief point cant remember what story line it was but Deadpool did become Spider-Man and wore the suit.

I feel you there. As a matter of fact, someone wrote in to this month's issue of ASM asking when Slott will be replaced as history would not be kind to his era. Nick Lowe (the editor)'s exact words were "you have my permission to stop reading" and then revealed he had no intentions of throwing Slott off the book, then followed that up with "provided we're still publishing Spider-Man after Secret Wars"

I have some theories on what may happen to the books after SW. Possibly that Slott will maintain control of the ASM title (there's just way too much he's set up in it to suddenly be abandoned), but it will be set in it's own continuity while the "mainstream" Peter will be the one from Renew Your Vows who is married, but the monkeys paw is he retires for good and mentors Miles. It'd make the most sense since Marvel are on another "legacy" kick at the moment.

Alonzo chats about Secret Wars

http://www.newsarama.com/24245-axel-...interview.html

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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04/...-wars-at-c2e2/

Um, how about- no. Adding teens to a team of adult heroes is NOT a good idea. Especially THAT many of them. They don't take orders well, for one thing, nor do they often think before they act. Recipe for disaster.

As for Kamala- I was at my library this weekend for FCBD, and lo and behold they had the vol. 1 TPB for the "new" Ms. Marvel. I read it in about an hour- all five issues I think it was. Hated it. The characters were the most stereotypical racial tropes I've EVER seen in a comic book! Zoe, the jock (can't remember his name, so I'll just call him Flash Thompson redux), Kamala herself and her friend "Kiki" (though I gather she doesn't like that particular nickname, but I can't even remember her real one) and her father, mother, and brother ALL being the "typical" Muslim family- with "typical" roles. Ugh.

I was unimpressed from page one, but kept HOPING it would get better. No such luck. By the end, I wanted to take back that last hour or so I'd been reading it. Also, her powers- kind of suck. She's like the lost love-child of Mystique and Mr. Fantastic, with some Giant-Man thrown in. Really lame and boring, unimaginative, and- I just couldn't see the appeal of the book at all. On top of it all, they made her a HUGE geek-trope, too. Racial stereotyped mega-geek hero -teen? Please, gods, kill this now. And the "source/cause" of her powers was never even explained. The mist didn't seem to affect anyone ELSE, so why should it do that to her? Or was it because she drank alcohol? (Which she spit out anyway, so it shouldn't even factor in....) or made a wish? Whatever, it made NO sense. So many bad ideas, I couldn't help but want to shoot the writer.

If this is the direction Marvel is going now, I pity the fans.....

I think people's standards for reading comic books have fallen significantly over the years. I'm like this with Spider-Gwen. On an objective level, It's absolute garbage yet everyone insists it's awesome, I think they're more in love with Emma Stone and the premise more than the content. Ms. Marvel I agree with you on, even if I sort of like Kamala. The comic is one big advert for every conceivable trope on Tumblr. Every page is designed to trigger blogs, avatars, and sigs


Oh, and that Avengers issue was an absolute stinker. A shame too, as Waid's great on Daredevil, but if this is what the post-Hickman era is like, I'm not interested.

I also read the FCBD Marvel Secret Wars Preview issue, and found it was just- a mess. None of the story teasers made me want to read any of those books, except for MAYBE the Punisher/Strange one at the beginning, and the one with the X Men andAvengers all introing themselves, and Deadpool does, but no one knows who he is.

Its rather obvious these reboots are aimed at new younger fans, mostly kids and teenagers who are getting into Marvel for the first time because of the movies. Older fans from the 90's and early 2000's are expected to move on from comics.

I wonder if fans back in the 60's and 70's felt the same way when the 80's era comics came out.