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Papenbrook 02-04-2015 07:47 PM

Why are most of the female characters love interests?
 
I am seeing a trend among the female characters of the show. Most of them are love interests to one of the male characters. I really hope this stops soon.

Leo656 02-04-2015 07:57 PM

Because it's easy. Especially when your target audience isn't primarily made up of deep thinkers.

Not gonna lie, when I was about 7 or so, basically the target age group for this show, when I'd see a girl character in a show/movie my first instinct was that she was going to be someone's "girlfriend". At that age the people you're most familiar with are your parents, so subconsciously, you tend to pair people up because that's how it's "supposed" to be in your head.

It also gives the writers the excuse not to put much thought into making them a fully-formed character. Most of the pen-holders on any show or movie are men, remember, and it's kind of impossible for men to even pretend they know how women think or act. So, since to them, women in real life only exist as potential partners, that's what goes down on paper.

snake 02-04-2015 08:13 PM

Don't you make the same thread every other week?

Luckyday 02-04-2015 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1416474)
Because it's easy. Especially when your target audience isn't primarily made up of deep thinkers.

Not gonna lie, when I was about 7 or so, basically the target age group for this show, when I'd see a girl character in a show/movie my first instinct was that she was going to be someone's "girlfriend". At that age the people you're most familiar with are your parents, so subconsciously, you tend to pair people up because that's how it's "supposed" to be in your head.

It also gives the writers the excuse not to put much thought into making them a fully-formed character. Most of the pen-holders on any show or movie are men, remember, and it's kind of impossible for men to even pretend they know how women think or act. So, since to them, women in real life only exist as potential partners, that's what goes down on paper.

That may be true but I am started to see shows (mostly Cartoon Network) that throw that outdate cliche out the ****ing window.

I am not sure if I can give all the credit to Pendleton Ward but his female characters, even when they're love interests, are multi facade individuals with so much thought put into them and he still thinks that he's not trying hard enough. So it's not impossible for men to write female characters. You just have to be good and not lazy.

A poor writer is a writer that is so complacent with status que that he/she never tries anything new and that is real problem with nickelodeon.

Leo656 02-04-2015 08:44 PM

Nick getting their hands on this franchise really was a worst-case scenario all the way around. I remember people being all, "Yay, we get more TMNT product!" But it's all been the drizzling sh*ts so who cares?

IndigoErth 02-04-2015 09:09 PM

Agree that part of it comes down to the fact that while there are many women working in animation they're still outnumbered quite a bit by the guys. It would serve writing teams well, as well as those who create and develop characters, to balance out the gender ratio in studios a bit more. As well as recognizing that they might need to beef up their quality in terms of female characters and be willing to have more woman involved in the writing. Or at least get more of their input.

Bossa Nova 02-04-2015 09:22 PM

Because that's all they're good for apparently.

Warhorse 02-04-2015 09:36 PM

It's typical in writings. Even J.K Rowlings couldn't seem to create female characters without them not having a romantic interest. Unless you were a teacher that is.

IndigoErth 02-04-2015 09:53 PM

Hm.. Suppose some of it could be social nonsense that sees part of a woman's value being in relation to her relationship status, and making a relationship or the hunt/want for one an inherent part of a female character's identity.

CyberCubed 02-04-2015 10:00 PM

Almost all women in fiction are love interests. Even the female villains are usually paired with someone, or try to seduce one of the male leads away from the "good" female character.

Even in Legend of Korra the female lead was rushed into a relationship with a guy in the first season even before she became a lesbian at the end of the show with the other woman who was just a love interest.

Gunpowder 02-04-2015 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1416531)
Even in Legend of Korra the female lead was rushed into a relationship with a guy in the first season even before she became a lesbian at the end of the show with the other woman who was just a love interest.

Should probably put spoiler brackets around this. Just sayin'.

ssjup81 02-04-2015 10:25 PM

Might be ingrained...thinking that a female character will definitely do her own thing and have her own life but may also get paired up with someone...although, for me, I never really thought about romance in general as a kid much. Although, when watching Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears back in like the late 80s, I viewed Cavin and Callah as a pair or possibly becoming one if they were adults. I thought it was cute.

Warhorse 02-04-2015 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81 (Post 1416539)
Might be ingrained...thinking that a female character will definitely do her own thing and have her own life but may also get paired up with someone...although, for me, I never really thought about romance in general as a kid much. Although, when watching Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears back in like the late 80s, I viewed Cavin and Callah as a pair or possibly becoming one if they were adults. I thought it was cute.

I don't know how ingrained it really is. When watching Gummi Bears, stuff like that did not cross my mind. Now, when watching Alvin and the Chimpmunks, it was very easy to do a child's version of shipping Alvin with Britany. And, for some reason, I also rooted for Charles and Sarah in Charles in Charge.

CyberCubed 02-04-2015 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunpowder (Post 1416533)
Should probably put spoiler brackets around this. Just sayin'.

Its all around tumblr, deviantart and every forum, everyone knows it by now.

ssjup81 02-04-2015 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1416563)
Its all around tumblr, deviantart and every forum, everyone knows it by now.

I didn't because I dont use those sites.

Gunpowder 02-05-2015 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1416563)
Its all around tumblr, deviantart and every forum, everyone knows it by now.

I didn't. :ohwell:

Huzzah 02-05-2015 01:31 AM

The problem with introducing characters as solely love interests, is the writers use that as an excuse to write poorly formed characters. Then again some of these writers also live by the severely outdated notions that female characters aren't interesting to boys, their primary target audience, toy companies use this as an excuse not to make female figures.

Konchadunga 02-05-2015 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1416474)
It also gives the writers the excuse not to put much thought into making them a fully-formed character. Most of the pen-holders on any show or movie are men, remember, and it's kind of impossible for men to even pretend they know how women think or act. So, since to them, women in real life only exist as potential partners, that's what goes down on paper.

I don't buy this. I mean, maybe it's not possible for men to think exactly like women, but it can't excuse women being written that dull. I don't see why a man can't just pick one of his interests out and give them to a female character. Girl who likes training iguanas? Maybe it's not relatable to many female viewers (or male ones, for that matter), but at least it's something apart from the norm.

Metalwolf 02-05-2015 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1416531)

Even in Legend of Korra the female lead was rushed into a relationship with a guy in the first season even before she became a lesbian at the end of the show with the other woman who was just a love interest.

That's lame. She escaped being some dude's love interest only to be shoved into a lesbian one. It's like the writers are saying 'Too bad honey. You ain't gonna escape having a relationship this time."

You know what the most radical thing would be? Not making her a lesbian, its having a woman who is single, and not treating it like it's a bad thing. The sudden lesbian thing also only reinforces the stereotype that a woman never really is content without a relationship, if she can't get with the men for some reason, well, then she's gonna go with the girls. It's either she's always in a relationship, or she's aspiring to be in one. A woman is always defined by her relationship role.

And if she somehow happens to be lesbian or bi from the get go? then heaven help the writer that happens to let her be content or desires to be single! It's somehow 'bigoted' or 'homophobic' if she's written to not be in or aspire to a relationship! Gay or bi characters are just as defined by their relationship status as straight female ones. They don't get away from the relationship trap either.

MaximeLoonatic 02-05-2015 06:43 AM

Not all the females from the show is a love interest, like: Ice Cream Kitty, Ms Campel, The female reporter, Kraang Prime...

But, honestly, I belive this show could use some other females, specially villians.

IndigoErth 02-05-2015 12:47 PM

So the cat made of ice cream, the robot who's only desire is to shoot rockets at people, a nameless woman (who probably has a husband and two ungrateful brats at home anyhow), and a Kraang who's gender is debatable. :tlol:

Oh but don't forget about Mom-Thing! Bigfoot... well... even she got paired up. (Still hoping that was more a nurturing love and not romantic. lol)

Amaranthus 02-05-2015 12:55 PM

Because that's all women are good for, duh!

Leo656 02-05-2015 01:21 PM

You're definitely happier in the long run if you treat 'em like ornaments instead of, y'know, people. That sh*t's just a losing battle.

plastroncafe 02-05-2015 01:27 PM

Spoiler:
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1416531)
Almost all women in fiction are love interests. Even the female villains are usually paired with someone, or try to seduce one of the male leads away from the "good" female character.

Even in Legend of Korra the female lead was rushed into a relationship with a guy in the first season even before she became a lesbian at the end of the show with the other woman who was just a love interest.



Spoiler:
Korra and Asami aren't lesbians, they're bisexual.


Female characters are reduced to love interests so often because many writers of fiction are bad at their jobs.

Leo656 02-05-2015 01:29 PM

Also, because laundry-folding and window scrubbing makes for piss-poor TV.

plastroncafe 02-05-2015 01:32 PM

Having seen the "let's clean the farmhouse" episode, I'm inclined to agree.

Leo656 02-05-2015 01:33 PM

I couldn't fit in a sandwich pun without making it clunky. Just wanna say, I really, really, really tried.

plastroncafe 02-05-2015 01:35 PM

https://41.media.tumblr.com/c4569c67...isqro3_500.jpg

Leo656 02-05-2015 01:37 PM

Anything Linkin Park that's not "Shadow of the Day" makes someone a terrible person by default.

plastroncafe 02-05-2015 01:45 PM

http://www.geocities.ws/Hollywood/56...de/Image82.jpg

I'd day that about breaks us even. :D

Donnieangelo 02-05-2015 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse (Post 1416546)
I don't know how ingrained it really is. When watching Gummi Bears, stuff like that did not cross my mind. Now, when watching Alvin and the Chimpmunks, it was very easy to do a child's version of shipping Alvin with Britany. And, for some reason, I also rooted for Charles and Sarah in Charles in Charge.

Oh yes, good old Chipmunks. :nod:

I prefer the romance there instead of how the Nick Turtles try. Not too big, not too small. Just right in the middle!

IndigoErth 02-05-2015 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1416727)
You're definitely happier in the long run if you treat 'em like ornaments instead of, y'know, people.

Know what a lawnmower is really for? It's a prop for a lawn ornament. :P

Leo656 02-05-2015 02:28 PM

Interesting theory. Meanwhile, dinner ain't gonna cook itself, cupcake. Might as well hop to and make ya'self useful, no?

plastroncafe 02-05-2015 02:39 PM

We are now no longer broken even.

Leo656 02-05-2015 02:41 PM

Nah, just plain broken.

plastroncafe 02-05-2015 02:43 PM

True enough, my friend.
True enough.

Warhorse 02-05-2015 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1416713)
So the cat made of ice cream, the robot who's only desire is to shoot rockets at people, a nameless woman (who probably has a husband and two ungrateful brats at home anyhow), and a Kraang who's gender is debatable. :tlol:

Oh but don't forget about Mom-Thing! Bigfoot... well... even she got paired up. (Still hoping that was more a nurturing love and not romantic. lol)

Oh, you forgot Tea Time girl!

IndigoErth 02-05-2015 11:38 PM

Twice I went to add her and considered the thread title... lol Poor kid is default safe for now given her age.

Granted my earliest vague crush was in kindergarten, which appeared to be vaguely mutual, so I suppose they're never too young. :tlol:

Gunstar_Red 02-06-2015 01:39 AM

I would like to argue that since there's "not enough" female characters, Raph and Mikey are not paired up with someone. (Though, how Mikey makes out with Ice Cream Kitty sometimes, I gotta wonder if she's his girlfriend. :lol: ) If there were two more girls, they would have have love interests too.

So how I see it, it's not a female problem. It's a main character problem. But that's a common trope with cartoons. Main characters are "suppose to" have someone. Just like real life, if you're not in a relationship, people judge you either as gay or something's wrong.

And how are Karai and April flat characters? They are not as generic as you guys are making them out to be. I don't see either of them having their sole purpose on the show as love interests.

ssjup81 02-06-2015 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunstar_Red (Post 1417040)
I would like to argue that since there's "not enough" female characters, Raph and Mikey are not paired up with someone. (Though, how Mikey makes out with Ice Cream Kitty sometimes, I gotta wonder if she's his girlfriend. :lol: ) If there were two more girls, they would have have love interests too.

So how I see it, it's not a female problem. It's a main character problem. But that's a common trope with cartoons. Main characters are "suppose to" have someone. Just like real life, if you're not in a relationship, people judge you either as gay or something's wrong.

And how are Karai and April flat characters? They are not as generic as you guys are making them out to be. I don't see either of them having their sole purpose on the show as love interests.

Same for me, especially Karai. As for April, I would like to know more about her general interests.


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