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Ninjinister 03-20-2015 09:35 AM

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutanimals #2 Preview & Discussion
 
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/ex...2/1100-151753/

Spoiler:
Female Null confirmed

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-20-2015 09:52 AM

Mutagen Man is seriously breaking my heart... :tcry:

And I'm kinda surprised part of the interview didn't involve Lindsey asking "Excuse me, Madame, but why is your skin red and why do you have horns coming out of your skull?" :tgrin:

neatoman 03-20-2015 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1434321)

And I still think that is an improvement.

Although, I kinda figured Lindsey would be more curious as to why there's a damn demon sitting in front of her...

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-20-2015 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1434328)
And I still think that is an improvement.

Although, I kinda figured Lindsey would be more curious as to why there's a damn demon sitting in front of her...

I suppose we can assume that Lindsey is willing to... Make a deal with the Devil! :twink:

Mutant Ninja Anole 03-20-2015 09:57 AM

(I hope it's okay but I'm going to escew spoiler tags and assume anyone reading this read the preview.)

Lindsey continues to roll with the weirdness around her. Offered a job at Stockgen making mutants? Same job by a mutant cat? Now by a she devil? Sure, but let's discuss dental.

Ms Null seems intent on replacing the human race with something new. Presumably mutants. Which...is exactly what Hob wants to do. Seems a phone call would save a lot of trouble. More seriously, will this observation start to sink in on the rest of the team?

So is Null a member of the Pantheon as others have speculated or did she upgrade herself? Is she an ageless force like Kitsune or the Rat King playing her own chess game or does she have a background as a disgruntled woman who has rejected humanity?

The tension in that meeting room is palatable. All three women would be on board with backstabbing each other at the drop of a hat. I can see why Jillian and Lindsey broke up. As for Lindsey, the direction of that conversation might have me questioning my choice to sign up with Null.

Of course Mondo has the art of r&r down. This is one of the neater aspects of a series like Mutanimals. How do people dropped into our world define themselves? They have no parents, no normal family, and aren't naturally connected to human culture. They have to forge their own identity. It's part of what the original Turtles comics explored. After Shredder, then what? After you've fought the bad guy, who are you?

neatoman 03-20-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1434329)
I suppose we can assume that Lindsey is willing to... Make a deal with the Devil! :twink:

She's gonna play the fiddle for Null?

bushido 03-20-2015 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1434328)
And I still think that is an improvement.

In what sense ? The only improvement I want to see is Andy Khun's art.

neatoman 03-20-2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bushido (Post 1434332)
In what sense ?

With a male character the general design elements look silly, with a female it's sexy.

bushido 03-20-2015 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1434333)
With a male character the general design elements look silly, with a female it's sexy.

Are you serious bro ?

Mutant Ninja Anole 03-20-2015 10:11 AM

I'm not familiar with the original comics, but from what I saw, I think female Null's design works well. She's lovely, in her own way, but inhuman. It does bring up questions, like how she runs a corporation looking like that (not questions that can't easily be dealt with mind you). I can accept that Lindsey either addressed her in-humanness off panel because it isn't time for us as the audience to know. Or that Lindsey is intimidated enough not to ask. As I said, she has been seeing weird stuff for ages now.

I'm not really interested in Bishop, if anything, I'm annoyed at the constant calls for him to come and beat up all the already established amazing characters. We have a glut of villains that need story time already. But as a representative of the government in partnership to Null? This seems like a decent opportunity.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-20-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutant Ninja Anole (Post 1434330)
(I hope it's okay but I'm going to escew spoiler tags and assume anyone reading this read the preview.)

Lindsey continues to roll with the weirdness around her. Offered a job at Stockgrn making mutants? Same job by a mutant cat? Now by a she devil? Sure, but let's discuss dental.

Ms Null seems intent on replacing the human race with something new. Presumably mutants. Which...is exactly what Hob wants to do. Seems a phone call would save a lot of trouble. More seriously, will this observation start to sink in on the rest of the team?

So is Null a member of the Pantheon as others have speculated or did she upgrade herself? Is she an ageless force like Kitsune or the Rat King playing her own chess game or does she have a background as a disgruntled woman who has rejected humanity?

The tension in that meeting room is palatable. All three women would be on board with backstabbing each other at the drop of a hat. I can see why Jillian and Lindsey broke up. As for Lindsey, the direction of that conversation might have me questioning my choice to sign up with Null.

Of course Mondo has the art of r&r down. This is one of the neater aspects of a series like Mutanimals. How do people dropped bit our world define themselves? They have no parents, no normal family, and aren't naturally connected to human culture. They have to forge their own identity. It's part of what the original Turtles comics explored. After Shredder, then what? After you've fought the bad guy, who are you?

LOL. Lindsey obviously has her priorities; she knows that good health insurance is hard to come by!

Until I see otherwise, I'm assuming Null is a human woman who upgraded herself. And Old Hob already started a fight with Bebop & Rocksteady when he found out they used to be humans...

Mutant Ninja Anole 03-20-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1434336)
LOL. Lindsey obviously has her priorities; she knows that good health insurance is hard to come by!

Until I see otherwise, I'm assuming Null is a human woman who upgraded herself. And Old Hob already started a fight with Bebop & Rocksteady when he found out they used to be humans...

Yeah, Hob has his share of cognitive dissonance going on. Deep down, he loves what Null has been doing, because it gives him someone to fight a war against, and to dish out the pain he's had heaped upon himself on others. The plan he mentioned to Slash will probably be rather messy. Perhaps Slash proposes an alternate, stealthier, less risky and less human carnage plan? Will that start the signs of a split?

neatoman 03-20-2015 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bushido (Post 1434334)
Are you serious bro ?

Yes, I am.

Duke Nukem 03-20-2015 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bushido (Post 1434334)
Are you serious bro ?

Sure, I can see that. I don't know about the horns and all but I assume a demoness has quite a bit of skill in sinful arts.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-20-2015 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutant Ninja Anole (Post 1434338)
Yeah, Hob has his share of cognitive dissonance going on. Deep down, he loves what Null has been doing, because it gives him someone to fight a war against, and to dish out the pain he's had heaped upon himself on others. The plan he mentioned to Slash will probably be rather messy. Perhaps Slash proposes an alternate, stealthier, less risky and less human carnage plan? Will that start the signs of a split?

Quite the astute observation!

I think it's safe to say Hob's plan involves stalking that civilian scientist leaving the compound, following him home, and then threatening to cut him up into pieces and put him in a jar like Mutagen Man unless he gets them inside and/or tells them where any other mutants are.

I really wanna know if Hob has a plan to take out his fellow Mutanimals if they turn against him, like Batman in the Justice League...

PaulAllor 03-20-2015 10:27 AM

It's too bad this is only a five-page preview, since page six is legitimately one of my favorite pages that I've ever written. Something to look out for when the issue drops next week.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 03-20-2015 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulAllor (Post 1434345)
It's too bad this is only a five-page preview, since page six is legitimately one of my favorite pages that I've ever written. Something to look out for when the issue drops next week.

Dangit, man, you just made the wait THAT MUCH HARDER! :tlol:

I just noticed that Herman has milk running down his chin at the end of page 1. That cracked me up!

ChosenOne 03-20-2015 10:35 AM

I guess this makes Herman TMNT's answer to TWD's Olivia, then. :lol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 03-20-2015 10:38 AM

I wonder if Null this time will kill the Mutanimals off this time (or send robots to do it)...

bushido 03-20-2015 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1434351)
I wonder if Null this time will kill the Mutanimals off this time (or send robots to do it)...

Too much drama...too many deaths...please make it stop...

Mutant Ninja Anole 03-20-2015 10:45 AM

Nah, well not all of them anyway. I suppose that gives the character a degree of gravitas on a meta level, having successfully murdered them all in a separate continuity. Takes a bit of the assumption that the protagonists will succeed out of the story.

A funny side note: Both issues of our comic about an all male team have passed the Bedchel Test.

bushido 03-20-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutant Ninja Anole (Post 1434354)
A funny side note: Both issues of our comic about an all male team have passed the Bedchel Test.

Don't start with that...

Mutant Ninja Anole 03-20-2015 11:03 AM

Not really looking to 'start' anything.

I do continue to be surprised at the amount of time being given to Lindsey. Looks like her story will be running parallel to the Mutanimals story and The series could end up being as much about her development as the mutants. Perhaps a parallel ending with her rejecting Null while the Mutants reject Hob?

spookycookies 03-20-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutant Ninja Anole (Post 1434361)
Not really looking to 'start' anything.

I do continue to be surprised at the amount of time being given to Lindsey. Looks like her story will be running parallel to the Mutanimals story and The series could end up being as much about her development as the mutants. Perhaps a parallel ending with her rejecting Null while the Mutants reject Hob?

I'm guessing Lindsey is going to be our window into what the Null Group is how they do what they do etc. we learn along with her. Hob is definitely killing first and asking questions....never.

neatoman 03-20-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bushido (Post 1434353)
Too much drama...too many deaths...please make it stop...

No, only more bloodshed will satisfy the Blood God...

Andrew NDB 03-20-2015 12:00 PM

It's pretty cool to see the Archie material get its turn being reimagined in IDW.

Ninjinister 03-20-2015 12:22 PM

I wonder (it probably is, but just wondering) if her name actually is Null or if it's just the company name. I might've missed it but I don't think either of them addressed her by name.

(And wow this topic went to two pages pretty fast!)

ChosenOne 03-20-2015 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1434397)
I wonder (it probably is, but just wondering) if her name actually is Null or if it's just the company name. I might've missed it but I don't think either of them addressed her by name.

(And wow this topic went to two pages pretty fast!)

Jill calls her Madame Null on page two.

PaulAllor 03-20-2015 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1434397)
I wonder (it probably is, but just wondering) if her name actually is Null or if it's just the company name. I might've missed it but I don't think either of them addressed her by name.

(And wow this topic went to two pages pretty fast!)

Yes, her name is Null.

Allio 03-20-2015 12:55 PM

That female Null...I need to get a cold shower

snake 03-20-2015 01:31 PM

Female Null is gonna be cool. I love the design for Mutagen Man, it's so much better than the other designs.

ProphetofGanja 03-20-2015 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bushido (Post 1434355)
Don't start with that...

how is making an observation starting something?

bushido 03-20-2015 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja (Post 1434431)
how is making an observation starting something?

Keep your bullcrap propaganda for yourself.

Ninjinister 03-20-2015 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChosenOne (Post 1434403)
Jill calls her Madame Null on page two.

I must be super blind then o.o

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Originally Posted by bushido (Post 1434436)
Keep your bullcrap propaganda for yourself.

What are you on about? This is the guy's first post in the topic.

bushido 03-20-2015 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1434442)
What are you on about? This is the guy's first post in the topic.

But not first post on the forum...

Mutant Ninja Anole 03-20-2015 02:56 PM

I don't particularly care if the Mutanimals pass 'the test' nor do keep track of points for some feminist progress game in my head, I just thought it was surprising that, given how the stars of the book, the mutants, are all male, that would happen, thanks to this side story involving the villains and an unadvertised side character. It's almost certainly unintentional, just odd.

PaulAllor 03-20-2015 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutant Ninja Anole (Post 1434451)
It's almost certainly unintentional, just odd.

Not really unintentional, no. It was definitely my intention to make sure there were fleshed-out, fully-realized female voices in the story, both because I always try to, and because this particular franchise does tend to be so male-driven.

And I'll admit that while I never really think about the Bechdel Test ahead of time, quite often when I'm rereading my script I'll go, "hey, Bechdel Test passed!" and give myself a high-five.

MikeandRaph87 03-20-2015 03:45 PM

Paul,if you could,what went into deciding to gender flip Null this time? I am not in fanboy outrage just curious in how the behind the scenes worked out for adding in the twist on the Archie character. Thanks in advance.

PangolinFeets 03-20-2015 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulAllor (Post 1434464)
Not really unintentional, no. It was definitely my intention to make sure there were fleshed-out, fully-realized female voices in the story, both because I always try to, and because this particular franchise does tend to be so male-driven.

<3 <3 <3

It's super refreshing just to have a cast where EVERY character is really fleshed out.
And I'm digging pajama Herman. XD

ProphetofGanja 03-20-2015 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bushido (Post 1434436)
Keep your bullcrap propaganda for yourself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1434442)
What are you on about? This is the guy's first post in the topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bushido (Post 1434444)
But not first post on the forum...

I think the problem is that apparently this guy is a f*cking @sshole. If he's the type of person who refers to the Bechdel test as "bullcrap propaganda" then I really don't give a sh!t what he thinks of me. The Bechdel test isn't even really a measure of equal representation, it's more like a check to see if a piece of media has a bare minimum of two females talking about something other than a male character. If simply mentioning that is too "radical" for you then please just don't speak to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulAllor (Post 1434464)
Not really unintentional, no. It was definitely my intention to make sure there were fleshed-out, fully-realized female voices in the story, both because I always try to, and because this particular franchise does tend to be so male-driven.

And I'll admit that while I never really think about the Bechdel Test ahead of time, quite often when I'm rereading my script I'll go, "hey, Bechdel Test passed!" and give myself a high-five.

I think it's great that you've gone out of your way to do this and I applaud you for it


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