Should the Turtles be redesigned for the sequel?
 

So the designs of the Turtles were very poorly received. Instead of being slim and small ninja's, these Turtles were 6 foot tall hulking monsters with hideous nostrils. Even worse was their "accessories" like Leo having tattoo's or Don wearing glasses, or Mikey's sunglasses danging from him, wtf was up with that?

While they probably can't change the designs too much in order to remain in continuity, do you think they can alter some things? Drop the glasses for Donatello entirely, remove some of their human accessories, and phase out the nostrils at the least. They would still be 6 foot tall Hulk ripoffs, but at least some of the more offensive stuff would be gone.

Anybody have any info on the toy sales from the first movie?

I say they should keep the nostrils just to annoy you.:lol:

I'm not bothered but I'm guessing the the turtles will probably change a little bit, like wearing different accessories ect because Playmates will want different toys to sell.

Virtually everyone who talked about them in our Toy Section reported the same thing, that they were shelf-warming harder than any TMNT line ever did in the past. As a matter of fact, they recently changed the packaging of the movie line to match the Nick series, in the hopes they can fool parents into buying them. :tlol:

What's sad is I would've bought them regardless of my dislike for the series/designs just to have representation on my shelf, but man, those were some baaaad toys.

Hmm. Well, if that's indicative of a trend in stores nationwide, that means there's a possibility the designs MIGHT change a bit.

To answer the thread title, SHOULD they change? God yes. They're awful. Ninja Turtles shouldn't be over 6 feet tall, hulked out, bulletproof, overly-accessorized monsters.

WILL they? Remains to be seen. I have my doubts but you never know.

Granted this is redundant for the other designs thread recently posted in, but...

For the most part, no... Physically, just let up on the steroids, as well as the shell, they're dang sliders, not box turtles, even if Sacks stupidly calls them that later in the first film. The mass of those shells almost makes my own back hurt.

Otherwise, leave them alone because the only thing messing with it would probably do it just put everyone back at square one with finding acceptance of designs for this set of films.

As for their gear/clothing, Mikey and Donnie need to let up on it, Leo and Raph are fine imo, though I'm sure for merchandise they'll no doubt have a costume change.

I'm still kinda surprised they gave Leo tattoos. The one most likely to be a bit of a purist? It's unreasonable for those to disappear though. I don't mind it, but at least actually give us reason they are meaningful to him. Not just because "teenager" and "tattoos are cool."

Otherwise, just please make an effort to get some flattering shots in there (because dear god some angles and lighting are not flattering on these guys), esp of my fave and make me wanna hug him a time or two, then I can settle with that. (But for the love of turtle gods, extract Knoxville from his vocal cords, please.)

I'm kinda ok with the noses now. Leo at least. Donnie likewise since he's wider like Leo, but would be more flattering without the glasses. Mikey and Raph... too much "puppy" or something going on there.

They'll probably not, but at the very least, I hope they go a bit back to the original concept art where they at least was less bulky and a little less problematic.

But I doubt anything besides maybe clothes will change.

God, some of that concept art was so great.

I think they should. I found the designs to be waaaaay busier than necessary. Stream line them a bit while they've got the opportunity.

I like the new designs, The nostrils and everything didn't bother me, Besides, The designs should stay the same, Except maybe they could use less clothing and less accessories, Besides, For continuity sake, They have to look like they did before.

They are currently using a placeholder model for Leo and Raph on the set, And judging from it, They will look the same.

http://meganfoxworld.net/gallery/alb...10001/45~6.jpg

The ONLY problems I have with the PD designs are:

#1) PD's lack of subtlety in distinguishing Donatello as the "geek". Lose the Ghostbusters backpack, the non-traditional bo staff, and either the glasses or the goggles.

#2) The size. Everyone repeat after me: "NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

That image is going to haunt my nightmares.

honestly if the looked like this..Lack of all the extra stuff....i wouldve bought the movie

For continuity sake, they won't.

I'm actually kinda ok with them being tall. This time. :tlol: *ducks*

I can embrace the viciously skilled ninjas (they're ninjas, right...?) who, if you know them, are really just gentle giants.

I could embrace it better if they allowed them to be 25 or 30-years-old. (So it works better as just, oh, um, surprise! They ended up bigger as adults than expected.)


I however could do without the steroids that make them look even bigger than they are.

And I do not however embrace being bullet proof. That was stupid.

Also being big however is no excuse for not still being highly trained to act stealthy...

I just wish they would get rid of those god awful nostrils. There's a reason the Turtles never had nostrils in any other incarnation, they are hideous and ugly to look at.

Its amazing how two holes can make all the difference. Mikey especially looks just like Shrek.

Shut up about the ****ing nostrils seriously!

Agreed. Or at very least I'd have bought more of the movie. Everything else added was distracting.

Stare deep into the abyss.

Like YOUR nostrils are any sexier.

Stop with the f***ing nostril-shaming!!! :tmad:

No no, they need bigger nostrils.

Nostrils all the way.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...pa-d7yvcfv.jpg

huge, vibrating nostrils!

They will DEFINITELY change the designs. They need to differentiate themselves so that kids will buy new toys. Transformers made this mistake, and watched their sales drop for two films. Why would you buy a new Bumblebee when he looks the same? Hasbro publicly acknowledged that mistake and redesigned all their Transformers for the fourth film. So they learned from that mistake, and won't make it again.

But I don't expect anything more than clothes to change. Heck, they may only be wearing clothes in the first movie as a built-in way to change the action figures each film.

I always see Cubed getting thrashed for bringing up the nostrils thing but I feel exactly the same way about them as he does.

Leo is the best of the bunch, but that's damning with faint praise and I can't stand the sight of these...these...turtles.

I don't see them changing the designs too drastically. The nostrils are fine on everyone except Mikey, in my opinion. But I do think they're going to make the Turtles less muscular. I don't mind them being six feet tall, as long as they're not *HUGE*. Like, Donnie, in my opinion, had the best body out of all of the Turtles.

I feel like the main problem is that they're all so damn top-heavy. Raph's bicepts are fine for his character, but they do need to slim him down a little bit more. Also, I feel like Leo should match Donnie's body, too. Mikey's body I'm fine with, since he's shorter.

Also, everyone's all like, "Should the Turtles be redesigned?"

I can deal with the Turtles. The one who needs a major makeover is Shredder. I swear to God, if I see those swiss army knives pop out of his hands again, I'm going to be like CyberCubed with the nostrils.

But turtles do have nostrils.

Americans in general - American movie audiences in particular - have trouble accepting someone who isn't at least 6'2, 220 (GONG!) as an action hero - or an athlete, for that matter.
The fact that Ninjas tend to be relatively small, wiry guys with mad flexibility, gymnastics, martial arts and weapon skills who are excellent at blending in and going unnoticed is pretty lost on them, they want HULK SMASH!!! with mega-muscles only achievable by emptying 1970's East Germany's arsenal of steroids.
The additional fact that neither red-eared sliders (original Turtle lore) nor box turtles (2014 moovee lore) turtles get very big is also irrelevant, they want The Turtle That Who Ate Cleveland. As a teenager.
I'm almost afraid to ask how über-hyper-extra-mega-ginormously-quintuple-super L A R G E Bebop and Rocksteady will be......
Nostrils?
Who cares? They're too far skyward to see anyway......

I've said it a thousand times, and I'm not shy about saying it again:

Massive, hulking, bullet-proof turtles with strength and power does not serve the plot. It does not serve the concept. These turtles weren't ninjas. They weren't stealthy. They weren't fast. We barely even saw much in the way of martial arts skills.

Small turtles who use swift, stealthy skill to avoid bullets is MUCH more interesting.

Yup. Basically this.

So yes, in my mind, they should be redesigned. Whether or not they will be is another thing. From the on-set pics that are now coming out, the mo-cap suits include those little antennae used to map eye-line, so it looks like the size has not been altered. And if the height remains, pretty certain the hideous frames will remain too.

The nostrils don't bother me at all. Turtles have nostrils. Fact. It adds realism. I'd like to see their faces a tad less human though.

As for the ugliness. Personally, I prefer them when they aren't quite so hard on the eyes.

Nooo... :tlol: Leo could use a little bit of a steroid intervention himself (though not as much as Raph), but keep a reasonable amount of the muscle tone, please. :trazz: Donnie is so much the opposite out of obvious geek stereotype, you'd think he almost never trains at all and yet he's just as skilled.

Leo looked great in some of that late concept art. Athletic, a bit heroic, right amount of muscle. There's some obvious resemblance to the actual film model, but clearly he, as well as his brothers, got abused somewhere along the way between concept and screen ready. :ohwell:

:tlol: Yeah... They kind of hurt themselves by going with a Super[duper] Shredder from the get go. Where can they really even go from there that wouldn't be ridiculous.

:tlol: You're the first person I think of when I see the "Nostrils" on these turtles!

But yeah a trimmed down design with less going on would be nice for sure. I just hope they don't recycle the same models as it would seem the turtles never ever change out of their clothes :tlol:

I'm willing to be the TURTLES are gonna be somewhat smaller this time around...

...when filming the first movie...notice how HIGH above his head are the 'eye markers' for RAPHAEL:

http://i.imgur.com/tQI7cV3.jpg

THIS time around...they are directly on top of his head.

http://i.imgur.com/osn8T9b.jpg

OF COURSE that isnt definitive proof, but still.

Hmm, very interesting. It at least adjusts Fox's eye line a little, so maybe?

Mocap outfits look new. Doubt it means anything (and maybe they simply made adjustments that don't affect it but make it easier to do the work?), but the shell also doesn't look quite as bulky.

It's probably in an effort to let the actors move better/easier.

"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

Not gonna happen, For continuity sake, they will be the same size.

Last thing we want, Are people going. "WTF? I thought they were taller? Why are they short?"

Why are they short? Cause the fans complained.

Adjusting the scale of the models within a scene is prob the easier change to make, but yeah, prob not going to happen or minimal at best.

With the eye targets still on their helmets then it can be ruled out any chance that the Turtles will be made a traditional height.

Yeah, I have a feeling they'll be knocked down a peg or so but not as much as we'd like. Maybe once they tried to write the obligatory Raph vs Casey fight scene they were like "Oh...maybe 8 foot tall bulletproof monsters weren't the best call."

The only thing I see happening is, They may or may not have much clothing and accessories on them.

Haha. The people who enjoyed the first PD movie don't care about a thing like continuity.