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Foxywba 05-14-2015 12:13 PM

Rubber head General traag
 
hi I've just brought a general traag which has a rubber head and arm just wondering if anyone has any insight to this as thought only 10 backs had the rubber ??

papa_smurf73 05-14-2015 01:02 PM

Sounds like a bootleg to me.

Candy Kappa 05-14-2015 01:33 PM

smells bootleggy.

slashpieturtlemix 05-14-2015 01:46 PM

Yeah I never heard of a rubber traag :O

Foxywba 05-14-2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxywba (Post 1458618)
hi I've just brought a general traag which has a rubber head and arm just wondering if anyone has any insight to this as thought only 10 backs had the rubber ??

No it's not bootleg,card and bubble are spot on,just seems one those strange things toy company's do i guess,I have a Leo with rubber arms

tmntman 05-14-2015 02:38 PM

Do you have a figure with a rubber limb, as in you have opened it and the limb is flexible or is the limb just a different shade/sheen and you are assuming it is a different material?

I would assume it is that latter and the difference in appearance is the result of the plastic aging differently.

eastlos217 05-14-2015 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tmntman (Post 1458727)
Do you have a figure with a rubber limb, as in you have opened it and the limb is flexible or is the limb just a different shade/sheen and you are assuming it is a different material?

I would assume it is that latter and the difference in appearance is the result of the plastic aging differently.

agreed. a lot of the time its the residue of the plastic.

Foxywba 05-14-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tmntman (Post 1458727)
Do you have a figure with a rubber limb, as in you have opened it and the limb is flexible or is the limb just a different shade/sheen and you are assuming it is a different material?

I would assume it is that latter and the difference in appearance is the result of the plastic aging differently.

Surely if the plastic was different due to ageing wouldn't whole figure be the same or if just the limb or head would it change in stages and not whole thing

Discogod 05-14-2015 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxywba (Post 1458747)
Surely if the plastic was different due to ageing wouldn't whole figure be the same or if just the limb or head would it change in stages and not whole thing

Depends. Different parts of the figure will use different plastics, and individual parts can possibly use plastics from different batches than other parts of the same toy.

Candy Kappa 05-14-2015 03:22 PM

So, you have them in the package, how are you sure it's rubber then?

Rubber arms Leo have been debated and debunked to death.

papa_smurf73 05-14-2015 03:38 PM

Its definitely not rubber my dude. I didn't realize it was still in package. If anything it has aged.

go_ninja84 05-14-2015 03:42 PM

post a pic if the figure is moc im pretty sure you have been falsely informed only "rubber" figures produced were the 88 figures (4 turtles, Shredder, Splinter, Rocksteady, Bebop) and only the heads were soft.

who did you get the figure from? probably the work of footballorangeguy

james 05-14-2015 03:45 PM

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Hey guys,

This is the Traag in question, I had it for a while and it has gone from me to Foxywba, rubber on the left and plastic on the right, photos taken in the same place in the same positions, visually the same material properties as the '88 rubber heads that everyone loves to mention, check them out for yourself and say what you think


Attachment 9084

Attachment 9085

Foxywba 05-14-2015 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by go_ninja84 (Post 1458770)
post a pic if the figure is moc im pretty sure you have been falsely informed only "rubber" figures produced were the 88 figures (4 turtles, Shredder, Splinter, Rocksteady, Bebop) and only the heads were soft.

who did you get the figure from? probably the work of footballorangeguy

Lol orange football guy gets about abit doesn't he whats situation with him? Does everyone hate him ?

Powder 05-14-2015 03:57 PM

It's not rubber, it's degraded plastic. Fact. This whole "rubber parts" thing is Footballorangeguy's big bullsh*t scheme to convince morons into paying twice a figure's worth for one that is actually in lesser condition. So yes, everyone hip to that hates him.

go_ninja84 05-14-2015 04:00 PM

he scams everyone charging 100+ for figures claiming they are "rubber" taking advantage of new fans

you can tell a hard plastic figure by a seam that runs along the sides where the 2 molds met in the injection process

Foxywba 05-14-2015 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by go_ninja84 (Post 1458786)
he scams everyone charging 100+ for figures claiming they are "rubber" taking advantage of new fans

you can tell a hard plastic figure by a seam that runs along the sides where the 2 molds met in the injection process

What's the process of making rubber heads ?? If hard head were made like that

Foxywba 05-14-2015 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1458784)
It's not rubber, it's degraded plastic. Fact. This whole "rubber parts" thing is Footballorangeguy's big bullsh*t scheme to convince morons into paying twice a figure's worth for one that is actually in lesser condition. So yes, everyone hip to that hates him.

So no other figure was made with rubber parts at all baring first ten backs ??

Powder 05-14-2015 04:12 PM

The rubber headed '88 figures (sans... April, I think? One of them didn't have rubber, if memory servers correctly) are the only ones to have a whole rubber appendage that isn't otherwise stated on the packaging. There are turtle variants that have rubber backpacks you fill with water so they can be used as squirt guns, but besides those kinda gimmicks, there are none. FBOG is just a scammer who falsely advertises.

Foxywba 05-14-2015 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1458797)
The rubber headed '88 figures (sans... April, I think? One of them didn't have rubber, if memory servers correctly) are the only ones to have a whole rubber appendage that isn't otherwise stated on the packaging. There are turtle variants that have rubber backpacks you fill with water so they can be used as squirt guns, but besides those kinda gimmicks, there are none. FBOG is just a scammer who falsely advertises.


Yeah I've haven't brought of fbog but I have seen his stuff before and always seems to have loads different types of cards which figures appear on,what about Leo samari figure didnt he have a rubber head ??

Powder 05-14-2015 04:33 PM

There are no others. That's it, mane.

james 05-14-2015 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1458810)
There are no others. That's it, mane.

Where is this complete certainty from? As in, where were these facts given out, and by who?

MrPliggins 05-14-2015 04:45 PM

No one ever had a rubber head besides 8 of the original releases (April and Foot Soldier were always plastic heads). There is no such thing as rubber arms or legs on any of them. It's just the aging of the plastic that makes it appear that way.

This is just a gimmick some ebay sellers use to sell aged flawed figures, and sadly it has trickled down to some collectors actually believing it and seeing them as more rare and collectible. Open the figures, I bet they're not rubber.

Powder 05-14-2015 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by james (Post 1458814)
Where is this complete certainty from? As in, where were these facts given out, and by who?

I have been a TMNT collector my entire life. I have hundreds of peers on this website who can & will back up these facts. Folks have opened them up & seen for themselves. Don't be upset with me just because y'all got tricked.

Redrumh2o 05-14-2015 04:48 PM

The "rubber" effect for non-rubber turtles is just degrading plastic....I have seen this a million times in multiple figure lines. I would consider them worth much LESS as they are a defect

BubbaShelby 05-14-2015 04:53 PM

Ok someone has to ask - what did you pay for this figure?

Candy Kappa 05-14-2015 04:55 PM

It's hilarious every time this topic pops up.

Must be a super-duper MEGA rare variant. :lol:

papa_smurf73 05-14-2015 05:08 PM

agreed. We've had numerous threads asking this same question. Ive had one of the degraded plastic Leo's myself. His arms "looked" rubber but they totally are not. as everyone else had said, the 88 run is the only set of figures with rubber for an appendage (Namely the head). I assure u that tragg is plastic.

slashpieturtlemix 05-14-2015 06:00 PM

I never heard of a rubber traag in anyway but I heard about the sneaky fake rubber limbs guy. I also checked my rubber headed leo vs a plastic leo and there is a line that only goes on the plastic. I also checked all my rubber heads (only missing Bebop and Shredder) and its the same for them all. Pretty sure the line thing is concrete. There is no indication of it in any way.

go_ninja84 05-14-2015 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by slashpieturtlemix (Post 1458863)
I never heard of a rubber traag in anyway but I heard about the sneaky fake rubber limbs guy. I also checked my rubber headed leo vs a plastic leo and there is a line that only goes on the plastic. I also checked all my rubber heads (only missing Bebop and Shredder) and its the same for them all. Pretty sure the line thing is concrete. There is no indication of it in any way.

that line is where the 2 molds came together in the injection process. i believe they didnt use that process when they made the soft heads

slashpieturtlemix 05-14-2015 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by go_ninja84 (Post 1458872)
that line is where the 2 molds came together in the injection process. i believe they didnt use that process when they made the soft heads

Yeah. I was able to see quite clearly what you were talking about. The rubber heads are clearly casted as one solid piece. The easiest way to solve this would be to open the traag lol I am positive its plastic. Hope he used paypal to pay.

james 05-14-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1458819)
I have been a TMNT collector my entire life. I have hundreds of peers on this website who can & will back up these facts. Folks have opened them up & seen for themselves. Don't be upset with me just because y'all got tricked.

Don't be upset with you? Where did you get that from? From the way you talk to people round here it seems you're actually looking for a way to make people upset with you, my questions were simple, where is this definitive proof about rubber only being used on the '88 figures? I have compared the differences between one I consider to have rubber parts with one of the same character that is obviously plastic, and done it on numerous figures, aside from the striking differences in that alone, they also seem to share similarities with the rubber heads and limbs of the '88 figures, hence why this theory about degrading plastic isn't holding up for me, is opening one for myself really the only way to find out?

Powder 05-14-2015 07:22 PM

Opening them & seeing for yourself is the only way you'll come out of this believing us, it would seem, so I suggest you do that if it's important for you to know.

slashpieturtlemix 05-14-2015 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by james (Post 1458878)
Don't be upset with you? Where did you get that from? From the way you talk to people round here it seems you're actually looking for a way to make people upset with you, my questions were simple, where is this definitive proof about rubber only being used on the '88 figures? I have compared the differences between one I consider to have rubber parts with one of the same character that is obviously plastic, and done it on numerous figures, aside from the striking differences in that alone, they also seem to share similarities with the rubber heads and limbs of the '88 figures, hence why this theory about degrading plastic isn't holding up for me, is opening one for myself really the only way to find out?

I gotta defend Powder on this. You will notice that people who are telling you that this is fake have been around for years. Not someone who joined recently like yourself. They have some serious knowledge of the franchise. Powder may SEEM rude at times but he is very honest and he actually helps people. He may come off as sound off-ish but that is the internet for you. Want proof that there is no rubber figs besides the 88? Who has one? We got some serious collectors here and not a SINGLE one has a so called rubber fig besides the 88 (not counting gimmics, movie, etc) for the classic lines. I know for a fact that there would be tons of collectors who would vouch for you if it was true. I can see a dragon inside my moc case but if someone else tells me its pizza face then... I don't know. Pretty sure its a dragon.

RatKingLeo 05-14-2015 08:45 PM

Powder is 100% correct on this one, once the toy line became a hit they stopped producing rubber head figures and switched to plastic heads. This was common practice back in the day cause it was cheaper to produce figures with rubber heads, therefore if the line was a bust they didn't lose as much money

Redemption 05-14-2015 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by james (Post 1458878)
Don't be upset with you? Where did you get that from? From the way you talk to people round here it seems you're actually looking for a way to make people upset with you, my questions were simple, where is this definitive proof about rubber only being used on the '88 figures? I have compared the differences between one I consider to have rubber parts with one of the same character that is obviously plastic, and done it on numerous figures, aside from the striking differences in that alone, they also seem to share similarities with the rubber heads and limbs of the '88 figures, hence why this theory about degrading plastic isn't holding up for me, is opening one for myself really the only way to find out?

Only the 1988 figures and 1992 movie star turtles were made with rubber. The 1988 figures were ONLY rubber heads. The foot soldier and April were always plastic. The other 8 original figures were rubber heads. They never ever had rubber arms or anything else like that. The 1992 movie star turtles were all rubber. Thats the only figures ever made with rubber.

Anyone who tells you difference is lying to you. Its a cold hard fact and really isnt up for debate in my opinion. What Powder told you is correct. The chalky look on some figures is just the plastic degrading from time. It can be seen on other figure lines and just not TMNT. Open one for yourself and see but I can tell you its already been done and the big mystery has been solved but you can see for yourself if you want.

Dont fall for these scams sellers on ebay.

Powder 05-14-2015 10:00 PM

Well if we're talking FULLY rubber, there's also the Next Mutation turtles. But yeah, with just single parts being made of it, '88 only, that's the bizzzz~

Redemption 05-14-2015 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1458995)
Well if we're talking FULLY rubber, there's also the Next Mutation turtles. But yeah, with just single parts being made of it, '88 only, that's the bizzzz~

Yeah makes it less confusing for him. As powder said only '88 had single parts made from rubber and it was ONLY the head.

Candy Kappa 05-15-2015 02:42 AM

Hence why the first 88 figures are called Soft Heads, and not Soft Arms :lol:

Jester 05-15-2015 02:47 AM

And if the variant did exist, people would have mentioned unboxed ones, because I'm sure they'd crop up every so often loose as well.


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