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neatoman 05-15-2015 06:48 AM

Why would a reporter wear a jumpsuit?
 
Yeah I know the reason why she wore a jumpsuit is because they based the animation model on her design in issue 2, but that April hepled out building robots and she stopped wearing that suit almost immedietly. Why change the profession and keep the design?

oldmanwinters 05-15-2015 07:12 AM

Well, if you run around the sewers a lot, it might come in handy?

In some episodes/movies of Lupin III, Fujiko impersonated a TV reporter and wore a jumpsuit. David Wise really like the design and gave it to April O'Neil in the TV show.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...7&postcount=40

neatoman 05-15-2015 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1459150)
Well, if you run around the sewers a lot, it might come in handy?

In some episodes/movies of Lupin III, Fujiko impersonated a TV reporter and wore a jumpsuit. David Wise really like the design and gave it to April O'Neil in the TV show.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...7&postcount=40

... What power does a writer have over the animation models? I remember some other interview where he claims the Technodrome and Krang's body looks nothing like he imagined they would. And even if if did have that power, it contradicts the fact that April's design in issue 2 (released long before the cartoon was put into production) is very similar to the cartoon design.

There are a lot of holes in David Wise's claims, so don't trust what he says without digging a little deeper first. It's more likely one of the animators watched Lupin III and redesigned April as a nod when they noticed the similarity between April and Fujiko, rather than David Wise just coming up with it on his own.

slashpieturtlemix 05-15-2015 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1459159)
... What power does a writer have over the animation models? I remember some other interview where he claims the Technodrome and Krang's body looks nothing like he imagined they would. And even if if did have that power, it contradicts the fact that April's design in issue 2 (released long before the cartoon was put into production) is very similar to the cartoon design.

There are a lot of holes in David Wise's claims, so don't trust what he says without digging a little deeper first. It's more likely one of the animators watched Lupin III and redesigned April as a nod when they noticed the similarity between April and Fujiko, rather than David Wise just coming up with it on his own.

Writers have a lot more power than you think. They usually write down the character designs before they are send to the designers. It is up to the director on weather to keep those designs or not.

neatoman 05-15-2015 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by slashpieturtlemix (Post 1459163)
Writers have a lot more power than you think. They usually write down the character designs before they are send to the designers. It is up to the director on weather to keep those designs or not.

So Wise wrote the Technodrome and Krang's body as looking like something else, but then higher up said "No! This is not right, they should look like a giant golfball on wheels and a potato-man in a speedo!", that's pretty hilarious to think about.

Still, I don't think it's very likely April's design was Wise's idea alone, given the fact that you can see the jumpsuit in the comic.

slashpieturtlemix 05-15-2015 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1459168)
So Wise wrote the Technodrome and Krang's body as looking like something else, but then higher up said "No! This is not right, they should look like a giant golfball on wheels and a potato-man in a speedo!", that's pretty hilarious to think about.

Still, I don't think it's very likely April's design was Wise's idea alone, given the fact that you can see the jumpsuit in the comic.

lol its for that very reason that I can be neither a designer OR a writer. Their jobs sound horrible

Candy Kappa 05-15-2015 08:55 AM

Maybe it was Wise's decision to keep the jumpsuit after season 1?

Or, simply. Cartoon characters rarely owns more clothes then one set :lol:

ProactiveMan 05-15-2015 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1459168)
"No! This is not right, they should look like a giant golfball on wheels and a potato-man in a speedo!", that's pretty hilarious to think about.

Hahaha, a potato-man in a speedo. That really made me laugh.

As far as the jumpsuit is concerned, fashion was weird in the 80s. I assume she had a closet full of them so she could focus on getting scoops, and not worry about what to wear on any given day.

plastroncafe 05-15-2015 12:13 PM

Laziness? That's what I always assumed.

Powder 05-15-2015 01:22 PM

No offense, but why are you always asking these kinda questions about the OT? Looking for logical answers in what was one of the most wacky/random cartoons of it's time is like wondering why a child doesn't recite Elizabethan poetry or do taxes. The series was goofy & did dumb things that can't be explained with anything more than "It was the 80's, everyone was high." :tlol:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 05-15-2015 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1459317)
No offense, but why are you always asking these kinda questions about the OT? Looking for logical answers in what was one of the most wacky/random cartoons of it's time is like wondering why a child doesn't recite Elizabethan poetry or do taxes. The series was goofy & did dumb things that can't be explained with anything more than "It was the 80's, everyone was high." :tlol:

That is the best explanation for the OT TMNT I have ever heard.

Dammit, why DON'T children pay taxes? Little punks getting off scot-free, not contributing to society or paying their fair share... wouldn't hurt 'em to quote Byron every once in a while, either.

neatoman 05-15-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1459317)
No offense, but why are you always asking these kinda questions about the OT? Looking for logical answers in what was one of the most wacky/random cartoons of it's time is like wondering why a child doesn't recite Elizabethan poetry or do taxes. The series was goofy & did dumb things that can't be explained with anything more than "It was the 80's, everyone was high." :tlol:

Well I mean yeah, obviously there's bizarre things in it given the fact that they just had slap together most episodes as quickly as they could, but it can be fun to find justifications or dig up some behind the scenes reasons.

Powder 05-15-2015 02:23 PM

I wish it were easier to get those behind the scenes answers from the folks responsible, but we've only got one guy vocal about the show's history & he's a pathological liar.

senpai 05-15-2015 04:11 PM

To me, I think it's all about designing interesting and memorable characters. No one will ever forget a yellow jumpsuit. I don't know...I like it.

Jephael 05-15-2015 04:15 PM

It was the 80s. People liked wearing some crazy sh*t back then! Look at Marty McFly going around in that vest that looked like a life preserver. It was funny looking, but he rocked it.

MsMarvelDuckie 05-15-2015 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1459317)
The series was goofy & did dumb things that can't be explained with anything more than "It was the 80's, everyone was high." :tlol:


Funny, but given the current "air" of pro-legalization, I'd say that would be more true now than in the 80's. Although coke might explain some of it. But most writers can't really afford it.

snake 05-15-2015 07:04 PM

http://i.imgur.com/uLb6mTV.png

MsMarvelDuckie 05-15-2015 07:14 PM

Funny, I always just assumed he had Robin do it. That's what sidekicks are FOR!!

snake 05-15-2015 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie (Post 1459538)
Funny, I always just assumed he had Robin do it. That's what sidekicks are FOR!!

Actually Harold Allnut did it, but no one remembers him.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 05-15-2015 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1459539)
Actually Harold Allnut did it, but no one remembers him.

I remember him. Hush cured him then killed him. RIP Bat-Mechanic.

Coola Yagami 05-15-2015 09:13 PM

Eh, it's a cartoon thing. Might as well ask why Bart will always wear the same orange shirt and blue shorts. Even in the DC cartoons, the heroes were given default outfits that they would always [I]always[I] wear whenever they were in their civilian outfits. So giving April the yellow jumpsuit in episode 1 basically doomed her to wear that for most of the series.

oldmanwinters 05-15-2015 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1459542)
I remember him. Hush cured him then killed him. RIP Bat-Mechanic.

Aw, no, it wasn't this Mechanic, was it?
http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/The_Mechanic

lonewarrior20 05-15-2015 09:29 PM

you know it might simply be that it was her way of standing out among the other reporters. that and it was the 80's. also please no one take offense to this but it also really showed off her cleavage.

Leo656 05-16-2015 01:42 AM

Hah, I'mma pour out a 40 for my dawg Harold. I remember that dude. :lol:

That was the only part of "Hush" I kinda didn't like. :ohwell:

Wolfie65 05-16-2015 08:26 AM

The original comic book April - Dexter Stockboy's assistant - wears a jumpsuit, which was en vogue in the late 70's/80's. It's the New York (cold weather) version of the spandex shorts & sports bra of Jane Fonda's Venice Beach.
To get the best of all worlds, it would have to be a hot summer in NYC, and Megan O'Neil breaks out her California beachwear !!!:)

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 05-16-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 1459567)
Eh, it's a cartoon thing. Might as well ask why Bart will always wear the same orange shirt and blue shorts. Even in the DC cartoons, the heroes were given default outfits that they would always [I]always[I] wear whenever they were in their civilian outfits. So giving April the yellow jumpsuit in episode 1 basically doomed her to wear that for most of the series.

Just look at Irma, she wears the same clothes all the time too (except when something else's required).

oldmanwinters 05-16-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1459643)

That was the only part of "Hush" I kinda didn't like. :ohwell:

Oh, so this is the guy:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Harold_Alln...870.1410587735

Hate that I hadn't heard of him before. How long had he been a recurring character in the comics before they killed him off?

Leo656 05-16-2015 04:04 PM

It says right there Harold was introduced in 1989. :lol:

I remember him being kind of in and out, though. He wasn't in all the books and some writers didn't use him. He had kind of disappeared from the books with no explanation for a few years before they brought him back in "Hush", as I recall.

I didn't really buy the heel turn right before he died. The explanation felt weak. But yeah, he was basically created because someone figured out that Alfred probably wasn't THAT good a mechanic/technician to work on ALL of Batman's vehicles, and that even if he and Bruce both did it there'd still only be 24 hours in a day, and with all the sh*t there is to do in the Batcave, that's ALL they'd ever do.

So they created a hunchback mute who had no reason to ever leave the Batcave for any reason, to just live down there and be Bruce's full-time mechanic and such. :lol: Like, "What? It's not 'slavery', the guy has no place else to go! He just lives here for free and gets three square meals and plenty of exercise, in exchange for doing various chores and jobs and, you know what, Alfred, I'm gonna shut right the f*ck up because this all sounded a lot better in my head." :lol:

oldmanwinters 05-16-2015 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1459844)
It says right there Harold was introduced in 1989. :lol:

I remember him being kind of in and out, though. He wasn't in all the books and some writers didn't use him. He had kind of disappeared from the books with no explanation for a few years before they brought him back in "Hush", as I recall.

I didn't really buy the heel turn right before he died. The explanation felt weak. But yeah, he was basically created because someone figured out that Alfred probably wasn't THAT good a mechanic/technician to work on ALL of Batman's vehicles, and that even if he and Bruce both did it there'd still only be 24 hours in a day, and with all the sh*t there is to do in the Batcave, that's ALL they'd ever do.

So they created a hunchback mute who had no reason to ever leave the Batcave for any reason, to just live down there and be Bruce's full-time mechanic and such. :lol: Like, "What? It's not 'slavery', the guy has no place else to go! He just lives here for free and gets three square meals and plenty of exercise, in exchange for doing various chores and jobs and, you know what, Alfred, I'm gonna shut right the f*ck up because this all sounded a lot better in my head." :lol:

Interesting! So the HUSH storyline pretty much reintroduced him just to murder him. Ah, comics...

Was Harold present at all during the Knightfall and Knightsend sagas?

Leo656 05-16-2015 05:31 PM

Yeah, but as Jean-Paul took over, Harold, like Robin and Alfred, kind of abandoned "Team Batman". One of the characters during (I wanna say) "KnightQuest" had a throwaway line where they mentioned Harold hadn't been around for a long time since Jean-Paul took over. I'm not sure if they ever used Harold again until "Hush", actually, because I had to drop the books for a few years.

And yeah, they brought him back to kill him off, I guess just to show that Hush could get to *anyone* close to Bruce. But it didn't really ring true, in my opinion. "Here's a character from 8 years ago most of you may not remember. Here's an explanation of why they've betrayed Batman. Here's him getting shot." Wow, what a punch in the gut.

Good story but that part, in particular, just felt like they were trying too hard.

IndigoErth 05-16-2015 05:41 PM

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Why would a reporter wear a jumpsuit?
The American TLC channel's makeover reality show "What Not to Wear" would not start until 2003. The same year the second TMNT series began and she gave up the jumpsuit. Coincidence, April? :P

April just did not have good taste or time for that.

Shark_Blade 05-16-2015 05:46 PM

Because it's sexy.

Groovy 05-16-2015 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1459159)
... What power does a writer have over the animation models? I remember some other interview where he claims the Technodrome and Krang's body looks nothing like he imagined they would. And even if if did have that power, it contradicts the fact that April's design in issue 2 (released long before the cartoon was put into production) is very similar to the cartoon design.

There are a lot of holes in David Wise's claims, so don't trust what he says without digging a little deeper first. It's more likely one of the animators watched Lupin III and redesigned April as a nod when they noticed the similarity between April and Fujiko, rather than David Wise just coming up with it on his own.

I never made that connection, pretty cool. Two of my fav characters. :tgrin:

We here in my town call it a "banana raincoat", at least in the original live action flick it looks more like a raincoat ha. Granted it is a jumpsuit in the cartoon. It's excellent that's for sure.

Shark_Blade 05-16-2015 06:21 PM

You can read all about it in TMNT Visual History book. April got her outfit inspired from other jap show like Lupin.

oldmanwinters 05-16-2015 08:09 PM

In the context of the show, the jumpsuit often came in handy for April's profession since he could store notepads, cameras, or tape recorders in many pockets. I think she had her purse hanging off the back of her belt in most episodes.

turtle1237 05-16-2015 11:28 PM

I like the look for well, reasons I wont say :lol:.


Cartoons just don't change there clothes. I watch say Inspector Gadget, and if they were real, they may smell since Penny wears her strip shirt and brown patch jeans, and Inspector Gadget wears his trench coat outfit all day. They never change clothes.

I loved the change up in The Legend of Prince Valiant, They always change clothes, Valiant was never wearing just his blue tunic, sometimes it was yellow or brown, King Arthur even wore his chess set outfit from time to time, I admired that show because they at least wore other outfits.

oldmanwinters 05-16-2015 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by turtle1237 (Post 1460015)
I like the look for well, reasons I wont say :lol:.


Cartoons just don't change there clothes. I watch say Inspector Gadget, and if they were real, they may smell since Penny wears her strip shirt and brown patch jeans, and Inspector Gadget wears his trench coat outfit all day. They never change clothes.

I loved the change up in The Legend of Prince Valiant, They always change clothes, Valiant was never wearing just his blue tunic, sometimes it was yellow or brown, King Arthur even wore his chess set outfit from time to time, I admired that show because they at least wore other outfits.

Ironically enough, April in the 4Kids toon had a variety of casual and occasional outfits during the show's run. I'm guessing she had the greatest number of model sheet variations of any character on the show.

Shark_Blade 05-17-2015 12:07 AM

Yeah I especially love her easter egg OT April jumpsuit outfit.

http://i.imgur.com/8nKpyxZ.gif http://i.imgur.com/ilpw5ab.gif

The turtles are so short and small, it's like they're her little children... :teek:

Casey’s holding hands with Raph though…



http://i.imgur.com/8hU6jbx.jpg

oldmanwinters 05-17-2015 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade (Post 1460032)

Casey’s holding hands with Raph though…

Holy cow, I never noticed that!

Ugh, more fodder for the fan "shippers"..

snake 05-17-2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1459889)
Yeah, but as Jean-Paul took over, Harold, like Robin and Alfred, kind of abandoned "Team Batman". One of the characters during (I wanna say) "KnightQuest" had a throwaway line where they mentioned Harold hadn't been around for a long time since Jean-Paul took over. I'm not sure if they ever used Harold again until "Hush", actually, because I had to drop the books for a few years.

And yeah, they brought him back to kill him off, I guess just to show that Hush could get to *anyone* close to Bruce. But it didn't really ring true, in my opinion. "Here's a character from 8 years ago most of you may not remember. Here's an explanation of why they've betrayed Batman. Here's him getting shot." Wow, what a punch in the gut.

Good story but that part, in particular, just felt like they were trying too hard.

Harold was mentioned in Knightfall, I think when Jean and Alfred are nursing Bruce back to health.


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