Nick comparisons to 2k3 series
 

I'm binge watching the 2k3 series and I must say to anyone who hasn't watched it, you need to watch it. So many moments make me cry and laugh, it is amazing.

But now that I've seen so many episodes, I'm looking at the Nick series and enjoying seeing the comparisons. I realize now that Nick is the kidification version of 2k3, but there are some things that are trade offs.

Warning, read no further if you have not seen the 2k3 series as this will be filled with spoilers...


Keep in mind, this is just my observed opinion, but for instance..
The 2k3 Mikey is selfish, whiny, braggy, and annoying a lot of the time. I also don't feel he is all that compassionate toward others, but he is respected by his brothers and depended on during fighting.

In comparison, I now see that Nick Mikey gets entire episodes where he is strong, smart and in control, and he is very compassionate toward his brothers as well as others. He also connects a lot more on a social playing field, even with the enemies. I now love this Mikey far more than I even did before.

Then there's Leo. In both series he's seen as the leader with all the responsibilities, but he is more so the prodigal son in 2k3. They both shared moments of darkness and brooding due to battles with Shredder and their caring of Karai, but 2k3 Leo goes on for a long time, which Nick Leo wraps it up sooner.

He doesn't get to have his journey to recovery like 2k3 and I wish they'd give Nick Leo something like that.(Even though I know there was a feisty thread on Leo becoming too perfect) I do not want the others to be pushed to the side to make it all about Leo.

As for Raph, man, if I loved him before, I really love him now in the 2k3 series. He's my favorite Raph, probably my favorite character out of all the incarnations. I could watch him do his own spin off I love him that much. Just seeing tears in his eyes...my my.

Having said that, Nick Raph does get to have a heck of a lot more character development. I know that sounds impossible, but we learn of his true fear of insects, his possible connection to animals, his ability to be a true leader in times of need and he went dark...for five minutes, but he still went dark. However, I'm not finished with the 2k3 series so that may still be something forthcoming, crossing my fingers that it is.

There is a so much more to compare, but I think this is long enough for now. I'd love to hear any other comparisons that I might be missing.

Comparision
 

One is complete crap, with crappy writing, characters designs, and voice acting (Nick) and the other is the most true to the comics, great voice acting, and writing with people who actually care about the franchise (2k3) that about sums it up :tgrin:

is all you do just hate on the nick series ? its the best series currently.

I thought that was IDW?

Did you really say Nick has bad voice actors and character designs? That's like the 2 things people unanimously like about it especially the voice acting.

lol
 

Says the eternal pessimist.

That's just from your last 5 posts. Do you ever have anything nice to say?. It's constant trolling a rudeness. I don't know how you haven't been banned yet.

Really?
 

Really? cause i'm pretty sure when the designs came out everyone including myself was hating on them for the most part. Then people just forced themselves to get used to them. Like anything there will be select few who actually like them but when they were released it was almost all hate.

I haven't broken any rules to be banned. :roll: smart guy

turtlefanforever, you like the Marvel animated universe. Maybe you just have a really sh*tty taste?
What does it feel like to be such an enormous plebeian?

Lol
 

i'll just leave this here.

Since this site is based on the original TMNT cartoon (1987-1996), original cartoon bashing of any kind is not allowed.

Please respect other members. Attacking or harassing other members on the forums is not allowed. This includes trolling (posting with the intention of upsetting people and/or starting arguments). If you get into an argument with another member, please take it to email/PM/IM and keep it off the forums.

and that's the end of that.

Thank god I'm not bashing the original cartoon. I'm bashing you and that sh*tty taste of yours.
:lol:

^ This is the correct answer.:lol:

In all honestly, what nick's tmnt does well over 2k3's is voice acting, and sorta balancing between the main four turtles. Even though Nick's sometimes tends to focus on Leo and Donnie, it doesn't favorite them or suddenly treat them like they're the epicenter main characters with others hovering around them. The show makes you feel that Mikey and Raph are just as much as the main characters as the other two.

What nick's tmnt lacked early on is having a long narrative in comparison to 2k3's. 2k3's does this with such a graceful transition in showing how something that had happen in past will effect later in the storyline. With 2k3's storylines, there is a clear beginning, middle and end, while nick's tmnt has a tendency of getting sidetrack when those fillers were originally suppose to feel like a breather and ending up having a opposite reaction from me. It's like you were really getting into the story with it's climax and the movie suddenly felt the need to take the main character to the beach so that he can take a nap for fifteen minutes.

But I can't say that 2k3 had a good idea at comedy because their idea of humor is center around pop culture references and with Mikey saying a movie line. Even though nick's guilty of doing this as well with throwing pop culture references but they were never really use them as a joke like 2k3's. Nick's sense humor comes from comedic and ridiculous situations, and instead of making Mikey the sole comedic relief, everyone and I mean everyone has their share of comedic moments. It just makes the show more vibrant and less jarring to me.

I agree, the transitioning from a beginning, middle and end is very well done in 2k3. I hate to say this, but I feel that Nick doesn't do that because they have to do what they can to get as much money out of it as possible.

Very sad to say that, but I am still hopeful we will get some middle and ends at some point. Most of the humor I find in 2k3 is caused by Raph. His deadpan one notes are hilarious to me. Donnie throws in a few occasionally as well. I'm going to be sad when this show is over. :(

That is an outdated as hell rule. I hope you're happy with sending another thread down the tubes simply because you won't shut up about your biased "opinion" (have you ever had anything to back up your so-called "opinion"? No? No).

I've seen you since you first joined this site. Since Day 1. And all you've done since then was bash the Nick cartoon for no good reason. Any time you get the chance, you're posting about how much the Nick toon sucks and how much you wish the Nick toon was gone or whatever and never giving any reasoning behind your "opinion".

If you're not trying to troll, you sure are doing a good job with making yourself seem like one. Talk about how the Nick toon sucks on any other site, hell, any other sub-forum, but when you take this bullsh*t to a fansite (or at least fan-sub-forum) for the toon, that's crossing the line. Just shut up and enjoy what you like, and we'll enjoy what we like. Okay? Okay.

He didn't even try to defend himself because he knows I'm telling the truth.

I agree with this you couldn't say it any better

Agreed with Aaronardo.
I don't hate the 1987 show, but the Turtle's personalitys were dull, the last few seasons were crap, and the best parts were Shredder and Krang. I always rooted for them instead of the TMNT. It is still enjoyable, but mostly for Shredder and Krang.

Ah, I'm often saying it, but remains true that I have a hard time really comparing different versions like that. They all have their pros and cons, but different enough that they just stand on their own to me.

Between the two series though... I do prefer human Shredder and like how Nick made Karai Splinter's daughter raised by Shredder, it's an interesting take. It's interesting that Nick combined the evil Krang of 1987 with the multiple Utroms relocated to Earth of 2003. I like the more mature feel of 2003, but I like that Nick actually made the characters feel like they for once actually are the age they claim to be. 2003 is better on the long-term storylines, but Nick added more individuality between characters in design.

Getting sick of 2003 being dredged up in arguments against 2012 tbh. That's why I won't give it time of day because my experience of 2003 fanboys is that they're disrespectful and refuse to accept the merits of any other version of TMNT.

I tried to watch it once but couldn't get into it and because of the points I mentioned above I'm loathe to give it another go because I don't want to be associated with people that are so rude to everyone else.

Is it sensible to base my opinion of a show based on the fans? I honestly don't know.

You get idiots in every fanbase as you do nice people, but 2003 seems to have a mix which is biased severely towards the idiot end.

woe now Rob Paulsen(OT Raph) is a voice actor on that show.

I agree that 2K3 TMNT is superior in most aspects in my opinion.
I think the Nick show is great.

That is just a ignorant statement.

I think you're being too hard on 2003 Mikey. Yes, he can come off as extremely flamboyant and selfish, and less so at other times (which I think adds to the humor of the character), but to say he isn't as compassionate is inaccurate. An example of his compassionate behavior would be in the Season 2 "Rogue in the House" episodes where he makes friends with Zog, the Season 3 episode "The Christmas Aliens," or even in Season 1's "The Unconvincing Turtle Titan."

Redeemer: Yea.

I like how any TMNT fan who ever likes things that are less goofy and explains why is an asshole. That's always cute.

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Oh there's a lot of salt in the water 'round here lately. :lol:

Too much testosterone. It's what happens when people scare off all the Fem-Nazi Lezbot T-Cest Shipper Trash and they all take to Tumblr instead. :tgrin:

While the thread creator had good intentions, unfortunately this thread has spiraled out of control. I think it needs to be locked and re-posted to start fresh with new and decent discussion.

Nah.

"My thing is better than Your thing."

By definition, it's impossible for that to end well.

I'm pretty sure this "rule" has long died out due to its ridiculousness. People are allowed to not like something. Just because the guy(s) who created these forums were big fans of the Fred Wolf series, that doesn't mean they have the right to ban people who don't like it. Gimme a break! :roll:

I consider both the 4Kids and Nick series superior to the Fred Wolf series. Is that worthy of a ban? No. It's my personal opinion and I'm entitled to it, damn it!

This. In spades.

2k3 series.

It's really no contest.

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Seriously though, this thread would have been fine if the usual dill-pickles could've managed to contain themselves.

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That rabbit is coked off his tits.

I strongly enjoy the 2k3 series,

but I also enjoy the nick series.

Yes 2k3 had it's flaws but so does the nick show.
and they both have their ways of convoying their story as well. And some of those ways don't work as well as the story and we also see glaring examples of where the corners had to be cut on things.

It's like comparing Coke to Pepsi. You have vaguely similar offerings, and some people are going to go on and on about how one is better then the other. But at the end of the day your still comparing two different brands of the same thing.

Yeesh, what's with all the hostility today?

I mean first we had a thread reminiscent of something you'd find on MLP Forums with extra vitrol then we have this thread which has a good topic to discuss only for people to suck the fun out of it by trading insults. Funny enough all the salt seems to be confined to this sub-forum.

I had no idea how many people jumped in the water without checking the temperature first.

It's the Drome. A most wretched hive of scum and villainy, to be certain. I would've thought the secret was long out on this place.

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In response to the original question: 2K3 or Nick?

I honestly cannot decide which one I like more right now, since I haven't watched the 2K3 series in years. I no doubt would choose it over the Nick series though, since I grew up with it and it's more faithful to the original comics. I do still enjoy the Nick series for what it is.

I grew up watching the 2003 and 1987 show. I preferred the 2003 show but it was the Nick version that got me to love TMNT and got me interested in the comics. I also watched the 2003 show again when Nick went on hiatus. I love both versions but I find the Nick show more engaging and even vibrant. It can be quite dark and emotional when it needs to be. It has a nice balance between humour and action. I like having a younger April and a Splinter who is powerful and more of a father to the turtles than purely a teacher. You can tell that the people making are big fans and the voice acting is great.

It's hard to compare these two.
One has a seasonal story, the other has seasonal stories. TMNT 2003 just borrowed arcs from the comics, and only had a story for a whole season in seasons 5 and 7. Nick, on the other hand, has two main stories: Kraang and Shredder. With that said, it can be argued that TMNT 2003 doesn't necessarily have any "filler" episodes, as most of the arcs and villains get closure by the end of the series. Also, it wasn't afraid to go darker than most incarnations. However, Nick's show is littered with filler episodes due to them having a consistent story. But when the story episodes show up, man, they are good. Take episodes like The Gauntlet, Wrath of Tiger Claw, Slash and Destroy, Vengeance is Mine, Vision Quest, Return to New York, and, arguably the greatest episode of the series, The Invasion. While there are more like this, these are some of the episodes that really stand out as amazing. I don't recall that many for 2003 besides Same as it Never Was. Why? Because TMNT 2003 is very similar to Star Wars: The Clone Wars. It didn't have fantastic episodes, it had fantastic arcs.

For characters, I thought the 2003 series got their Turtles spot on. I loved each and every one of them. Development wise? Leo obviously got the most, then Mikey, then Donnie, then Raph, which is unfortunate since Raph is my favorite turtle and 2003 had the best incarnation of the character. 2012's Turtles fit the show really well, but they each have their flaws. The series usually switches towards Leo and Donnie, leaving Mikey and Raph with filler episodes. Occasionally they'll each get a good one, like Raph's Slash and Destroy, Clash of the Mutanimals, The Good, the Bad, and Casey Jones, and Mikey's Leatherhead episode. However, I feel like this'll change, since I think season 1 did a great job dividing the Turtles equally, season 2 was more or less Donnie's season, and season 3 is feeling like Leo's season. Hopefully we'll get a Mikey or Raph season (preferably Raph) for season 4.

Villain-wise, I think 2003 suffered from trying to distance itself from the 87 cartoon, but it had its own villains, who honestly weren't memorable in my opinion. The only exceptions were Bishop, who was a damn good villain, and Karai, who really was bland in the original source material. While the Utroms were brought in, I think they should've brought in Krang as a rogue Utrom, but making Shredder an Utrom would've negated that. 2012 suffers from trying to reinvent the 87 villains, while trying to add in new villains. Most of the new villains they add are stupid, too, but they've got some good ones like Tiger Claw. I think they could use some from the 2003/Mirage sources, though, like Bishop and maybe even the Utroms. We know the Triceratons are coming, so that'll be cool.

But I think the biggest gripe I had with 2003 that I don't have in 2012 is Shredder and Splinter. 2003 Shredder was an alien warlord who wanted to take over the Utrom homeworld. It kind of made me mad while watching 2003 because that makes Shredder nothing special. The thing that's so unique about Shredder is that the Turtles fight off so many mutants and aliens, but they get their butts handed to them by one human in some armor. I think that's what made me like Bishop so much, as he could literally take all four Turtles, Hun, and Karai using nothing but a tie and objects around him. Splinter was inconsistent, and was either a really great fighter, or a fighter that could get knocked out in one punch. 2012 Shredder and Splinter on the other hand, are two completely different stories. 2012 Shredder's a beast when it comes to fighting. By season 2, the Turtles of 2003 were a match for their Shredder, while we're over halfway through season 3 and Shredder can still kick the crap out of the 2012 Turtles. Not only that, but he was able to take on Slash, Rockwell, Leatherhead, Pigeon Pete, and the Turtles all at the same time. Splinter's a complete badass, too. He's wiser and gives the Turtles more independence, while still being there when they need him.

In all honesty, the only characters that I feel the TMNT 2012 series has done wrong are April and Casey. While they do fit the tone and themes of the show, I just think they're too much like teenagers rather than young adults, while the April and Casey of 2003 were fantastic and exactly how the characters ought to be portrayed. In all honesty, I'd take the 2012 series over the 2003 series. While it's great to see the Mirage comics brought to life, it's nice to see a series that is trying to please the nostalgia, while still going its own route.

I completely agree with the above comment.

Excellent post, I agree with what you have mentioned. 2k3 Raph rocks, but I do love Nick Raph too. More Raph is needed for sure. I really like Bishop a lot, mostly because he wants to help people in the long run, but he is also damaged from what happened to him when he was young? I think his treatment of Baxter, in comparison to Shredder, is also commendable. I am only on season four, so who knows what lies ahead with him.