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Sage Ninja 06-15-2015 03:43 AM

Singles nation: Why so many Americans are unmarried
 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sin...8ERu?ocid=iehp

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When Karin Denison was in her early 20s, it seemed that all her peers were coupling up and planning to live happily ever after. She spent the summers after college driving to friends’ weddings, she recalls. In small-town Minnesota, marriage was just what people did. It was expected.


Today, almost two decades, hundreds of dates, and untold hours on OKCupid later, Ms. Denison, who moved to Boston when she was 26, lives in a far different reality.



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“There are tons of single people in Boston,” she says. “You can be single in Boston and nobody really cares. I’ve never felt the pressure here to get married.”

Indeed, if there is any “normal” in the shifting, complicated world of American relationships, it arguably looks a lot more like Denison than her childhood friends who wed at 21. Last year, for the first time, the number of unmarried American adults outnumbered those who were married. One in 7 lives alone – about 31 million compared with 4 million in 1950 – and many of those are clustered in urban centers.

But even outside cities, there is a distinct rise of the “single.” Almost half of new births are to unmarried mothers. The number of parents living together but not married has tripled. And the number of American adults who have never been married is at a historic high, around 20 percent.

Meanwhile, only 30 percent of Millennials say that having a successful marriage is “one of the most important things” in life, according to the Pew Research Center, down from even the 47 percent of Generation X who said the same thing in 1997. Four in 10 Americans went ever further, telling Pew researchers in 2010 that marriage was becoming obsolete.

In short, academics say, American society is in the midst of a fundamental social and demographic shift, the “greatest social change of the last 60 years,” according to New York University sociologist Eric Klinenberg. It is a shift that goes well beyond the dynamics of relationships, affecting everything from housing and health care to child rearing and churches.

And although single women like Denison – educated, urban, and leading a full life – are often portrayed as the poster children of this new nonmarital world order (think “Sex and the City” and writer Kate Bolick’s new book, “Spinster”), the reality is far more complex. The way Americans now couple – or don’t – offers insight into not only evolving views of marriage and family, but into the country’s growing economic, racial, and geographic divides.

“Just as marriages are no longer alike, singleness is no longer all alike,” says Stephanie Coontz, director of research and public education at the Council on Contemporary Families.

Understanding the various facets of the new Singles Nation, it turns out, is key to understanding much about America today.

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There is little debate that American adults are far less likely to be married than they were two generations ago. In 1950, married couples represented 78 percent of households in the United States. In 2011, the US Census Bureau reported, that percentage had dropped to 48 percent. In 2014, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that 124.6 million Americans 16 years and older were single, or 50.2 percent of the population, compared with 37.4 percent of the population in 1976.

But underneath those numbers, nuances exist.

One of the big ones has to do with when Americans get married. For years, the average age at which both men and women first marry has been creeping upward, to 27 for women and 29 for men. It was 20 for women and 22 for men in 1960. In other words, there may at any given moment be more single people who have never been married, but that doesn’t mean that those singles are going to stay that way.

But this seemingly simple demographic explanation belies a huge shift in culture. Particularly for college graduates, this delay in marriage has ushered in a new phase of life that sociologists are calling “emerging adulthood” or, less charitably, “delayed adolescence.”

This is a time when people focus on their careers and their own personal fulfillment, sociologists say: They go out to dinner, work late hours, and make close groups of friends that are sometimes dubbed “urban tribes.” And while there has been some hand-wringing about this, with worries about a lack of maturity among young American adults today, a number of scholars who study singles point out that this group is the antidote to another point of cultural anxiety: the decline in community.

College-educated singles are moving into old downtown buildings and spending money in revitalizing urban centers. In cities from Denver to Detroit to Boston, they are joining everything from kickball leagues to museum boards, neighborhood associations to volunteer organizations.

“People who live alone don’t want to be alone or isolated,” Mr. Klinenberg says. “So they spend an enormous time out in public.”

It’s a point that University of California, Santa Barbara professor Bella DePaulo has been trying to make for a long time. Dr. DePaulo, who is happily single, debunks what she says are myths related to the country’s “matro-mania.” Her research has found that contrary to conventional wisdom (and a number of studies) married people are no more happy and healthy as a group than their single counterparts. And it is singles, not marrieds, who are the most active in their communities.

“When people get married, they have less contact with their friends, their siblings, their neighborhood,” DePaulo says, adding that studies show this is true even with people who are married and don’t have children. “It’s just the opposite of the stereotype.”

Quite often, she says, single people realize that they enjoy living without a spouse. “People used to think of single life as where you mark time until you get married,” she says. “It’s not. It’s the real thing.”

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But the definition of “single” is a bit vague. Statistically, it simply means unmarried. And that leaves plenty of room for different family structures.

DePaulo, who lives alone, is considered a single. So is Sarah Wright, the board chair of a singles’ advocacy group called Unmarried Equality, who lives with a longtime partner.

“I do not describe myself as ‘single’ because I’m not,” Ms. Wright says. “I am coupled.” When she gets government forms asking for her marital status, she crosses off all the responses and writes in “none.”

Tara Dublin of Portland, Ore., is officially single, even though she was married for years. Today, she says, “I am unmarried, unattached, and have no partner.” Still, she says, friends take umbrage when Ms. Dublin calls herself a single mom, since her ex-husband also cares for their sons.

Hugh Ryan is considered single, as well, even though he lives with two other men in New York, and the three consider themselves a family. (They recently bought a house in Brooklyn together.)

“We have the same stupid fights and the same wonderful stuff as in any relationship,” Mr. Ryan says. “There just happens to be more of it. Once you recognize that the two-parent, two-kid family that married at 22 and are together till the end of their lives is a rarity these days, everything else seems less unusual.”

Denison, for her part, describes herself as “single – sort of.” She has been in a number of relationships since she moved to Boston, some long term, some decidedly short. But she has always lived alone.

Two generations ago, this would have been highly atypical. A female college graduate getting an apartment on her own would have been seen as indecorous. But as Klinenberg points out in his book “Going Solo,” cultural attitudes have changed. Today, living on one’s own is a marker of adulthood.

While openly living with a partner outside of marriage would have been taboo – especially a same-sex partner, as in Wright’s case (not to mention a family such as Ryan’s) – today it is almost expected. The social penalties for sexual relationships outside of marriage have disintegrated, says Andrew Cherlin, a professor of sociology and public policy at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

“It’s less necessary to be married than it used to be,” Dr. Cherlin says. “Before, it was not acceptable to have any other sort of adult life. Now there are alternatives – living with someone but not getting married, not having kids, having kids and not being married. There are alternative ways of forming the family.”
Some pretty interesting stuff. There is actually a lot more to the article if you click on this link to read the whole thing. I think I might be heading in that direction as well. Not crazy interested in being married or have a kid just yet. By y age my mother was already married and given birth to me and my older sister. I'm still doing the college and do not plan on getting married until I have some years under my belt in my chosen profession.

BubblyShell22 06-15-2015 07:24 AM

I'll never get married because I find the whole thing to be a crock of crap and there's no guarantee that it will help better my relationship. I'm in a relationship but have no plans to get married at all or have kids. And if this relationship somehow ends, then I'll just be single for the rest of my life and be fine with it as I prefer to be alone most of the time anyway.

Prowler 06-15-2015 11:29 AM

Most developed nations have had a big increase in divorces in the last couple of decades. Also, society is getting more and more individually focused and people are studying more and more. Most people will not get married or have kids in their early 20s nowadays considering they're still studying and don't have stable jobs yet. Current economy does not help at all either.

Also, one must take in consideration the emancipation of the female sex since the 2nd half of the 20th century. Women are getting more independent and no longer need men to support them like they did back in the 40s-50s.

Divorce is also a pain for men. If there's one place where men are below women is in family court. If a couple has kids and they decide to get divorced, the man will never get custody of his children unless the mother is a criminal or a substance abuser, and thus a threat to the children. Considering divorce is more and more common nowadays, many guys are afraid of getting married because they don't want to take such risks of losing a lot of their money and not being able to see their kids in the future.

Plenty of people born in the 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. would tell you that people divorce easily nowadays because they just can't sit and talk about their issues anymore. They're kinda right, but our parents and grandparents are from an era where divorce simply was not an option. You had the same job and the same espouse until you died, no matter how much you disliked both. Many middle-aged and old couples kinda don't get along that well but don't get divorced because it simply isn't a solution for them. That's how they were brought up in their time.

And ofc, nowadays marriage is more secular and no one forces you to marry through a church. Hell, my parents didn't marry at a church and they married back in the late 70s-early 80s. Marriage is mostly a contract. If two people love each other and want tax benefits, they'll just get married. It also helps if you want to see your partner in the hospital at any time, per example.

My vision of marriage? I have no plans in getting married. Then again, I'm not in a long-term relationship, so who knows if my opinion would change if I met "the" girl.

*NormalGamer* 06-15-2015 12:18 PM

I'm really glad that there are diverse options for people to choose to live the life they want to live whether the're single or not single;we're no longer being restricted by the nuclear family option anymore and other amatonormative practices.

ZariusTwo 06-15-2015 03:17 PM

I believe in the family, with my ever loving wife beside me
But she don't know about my girlfriend, or the man I met last night
:lol:


Nah, but seriously, I do think marriage is important, it's never easy, but it's worth it if you love and care for the person.

I'll pass on ever having kids. I'd make a lousy father because of my aspergers and the simple fact I am very focused on "me, me, me" almost all of the time. Fortunately my best friend is terrified of becoming pregnant herself.

BubblyShell22 06-15-2015 04:44 PM

Well, my parents never had a happy marriage, and I'm just the type to not want that for my life. I'm too protective of my relationship, and you can never be sure if it'll happen to you. It happened to my sister, too, where she married a guy and as soon as she had that ring on her finger, he treated her like crap. She left him for a week and then was dumb enough to go back to him even though I begged her not to. So, the way I see it, I don't want to get married because it doesn't always work out, and that's not the life I want for myself. I'd rather just live with the guy I love and leave it at that. Plus, I don't wear jewelry, so I know I'd probably never wear any of the rings anyway, so what's the point?

MsMarvelDuckie 06-16-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22 (Post 1472021)
I'll never get married because I find the whole thing to be a crock of crap and there's no guarantee that it will help better my relationship. I'm in a relationship but have no plans to get married at all or have kids. And if this relationship somehow ends, then I'll just be single for the rest of my life and be fine with it as I prefer to be alone most of the time anyway.


No, there's no "guarantee", but that's everything in life. And relationships can end at any time, whether there's a ring and/or kids involved or not. What MATTERS is that the people involved love each other and are committed to the relationship, ring or no ring. Marriage in and of itself isn't a crock of crap. It's the reasons people go into it (usually unready and often with unrealistic expectations) that make it that SEEM way at times.


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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 1472259)
I believe in the family, with my ever loving wife beside me
But she don't know about my girlfriend, or the man I met last night
:lol:


Nah, but seriously, I do think marriage is important, it's never easy, but it's worth it if you love and care for the person.


Ditto to this. I fully believe that when it's with the RIGHT person(s), it is worth all the difficulties. Also- nice use of Genesis lyrics there! Love that song, LOL!

BubblyShell22 06-16-2015 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie (Post 1472771)
No, there's no "guarantee", but that's everything in life. And relationships can end at any time, whether there's a ring and/or kids involved or not. What MATTERS is that the people involved love each other and are committed to the relationship, ring or no ring. Marriage in and of itself isn't a crock of crap. It's the reasons people go into it (usually unready and often with unrealistic expectations) that make it that SEEM way at times.

Well, it may not seem that way to you, and I'm glad you have a happy marriage, Duckie. I just don't trust in marriage and just don't believe in it. I feel you can be committed to someone without a ring or a piece of paper. I agree that relationships don't always last, and I'm not just saying marriage is the reason. I just feel that marriage can be one of the reasons, and based on my parents' experience, I would rather just leave marriage out of it.

MsMarvelDuckie 06-16-2015 08:52 PM

Yeah, I understand that- my point was just that marriage itself isn't the problem. Actually, my biggest arguments FOR marriage are primarily legal ones. For instance, "partners" don't have the same legal rights in regards to their significant others as spouses do, like income tax deductions, hospital visitation and medical decisions, etc. If, for example, your partner wishes you to be their primary executor or beneficiary in the event of their death, their wishes can be overridden EVEN IF IT'S IN WRITNG, if you are not legally married. Because in the government's eyes, you're not "family", no matter how committed and long-term the relationship was. Same if they want a no-resuscitation clause and you are the "next of kin"- you have no say, because it's not on that little certificate that states you have the legal right to make that call. Or social Security- legally, if you're not married to someone, you can't collect their benefits under any circumstances, even if they wish to allow it.


People make a big deal about marriage having so many down sides, but no one ever mentions the positive aspects, and it's usually the religious aspects that get all the attention, rather than the legal rights and responsibilities. I mean, you have churches that make a big stink about refusing to honor some marriages, or perform them for certain couples due to religious issues, but the reality is that it's the official consequences of getting that piece of paper that are most important.

snake 06-16-2015 10:30 PM

Spoilers because I don't want to cause a sh*tstorm

Spoiler:
I support marriage

Refractive Reflections 06-17-2015 05:21 AM

As Prowler mentioned earlier, there are a lot of factors that are contributing to this trend, such as: women's movement in terms of employment and resources, increased globalization and employment competition, increasing moral relativism in regards to relationships and sex, and the Millennial generation being considered self-absorbed, etc.

When people go into a marriage, they need to have the same or a similar value system (i.e. finances, politics, spirituality/religion, how they value career growth, if and how many children they plan to have, personalities), otherwise it will fall apart because you have to live with that spouse constantly and if that spouse doesn't share the same values and principles, it will eventually wear down. I think society focuses too much on the emotional romantic high (the infatuation and romantic dates) and the "party" aspect of marriage (the wedding) rather than the selfless commitment that is necessary to maintain a marriage. Every day isn't going to be romantic dreamy time, there are going to be boring days and difficult days. It's probably more important to observe and witness your potential spouse during these times to see their temperament and personality when things don't go their way, as it will be a foreshadowing of what to expect when you do marry that person when the storms of life approach.

Although my parents had a bitter divorce, I still believe in marriage, because there's something about having an explicit promise (the vows) that makes the relationship tangible and solid, that despite the changing environments the relationship will face and encounter, at least that loyalty in a relationship is something constant and dependable... and therefore priceless. I just think that a majority of those who wed don't have the maturity, or are simply just naive, to what a lifelong commitment truly entails. I mean this is a generation who is noted for being self-absorbed and wasteful with their money. If these same people don't have the foresight to save/invest for the long-term, how can they have the foresight for something as important as lifelong marriage? If these same people are noted for being incredibly narcissistic, how can they be expected to commit to something as selfless as marriage?

I'm all for premartial counseling before getting married and obtaining a marriage license. I mean for every other "license" (i.e. driver's, physician, etc.) you need education and training, so why not with marriage?

BubblyShell22 06-17-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie (Post 1472907)
Yeah, I understand that- my point was just that marriage itself isn't the problem. Actually, my biggest arguments FOR marriage are primarily legal ones. For instance, "partners" don't have the same legal rights in regards to their significant others as spouses do, like income tax deductions, hospital visitation and medical decisions, etc. If, for example, your partner wishes you to be their primary executor or beneficiary in the event of their death, their wishes can be overridden EVEN IF IT'S IN WRITNG, if you are not legally married. Because in the government's eyes, you're not "family", no matter how committed and long-term the relationship was. Same if they want a no-resuscitation clause and you are the "next of kin"- you have no say, because it's not on that little certificate that states you have the legal right to make that call. Or social Security- legally, if you're not married to someone, you can't collect their benefits under any circumstances, even if they wish to allow it.


People make a big deal about marriage having so many down sides, but no one ever mentions the positive aspects, and it's usually the religious aspects that get all the attention, rather than the legal rights and responsibilities. I mean, you have churches that make a big stink about refusing to honor some marriages, or perform them for certain couples due to religious issues, but the reality is that it's the official consequences of getting that piece of paper that are most important.

I get that, Duckie, but for my relationship, we can't get married because he's on disability and if he marries me, he'll lose a lot of money, and he can't afford that because he's legally blind and has a seizure disorder. But whatever. I'm all for common law marriages, and that's what I want anyway. I agree about the legal stuff, but this is the sort of thing that we can't really do anything about so we'll just do what we can and leave it at that.



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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1472952)
Spoilers because I don't want to cause a sh*tstorm

Spoiler:
I support marriage

No sh*tstorm here, Snake. That's great that you support marriage. I'm just the type to not believe in it and believe that you can be committed without the piece of paper no matter what.

And, RR, another factor is that most couples choose to wait to live together until they're married and that can be problematic as it can cause issues. That's what happened with my parents, and I'm the type to believe that if you want to get married, you better live with them first to see if you can coexist together.

ZariusTwo 06-17-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22 (Post 1473063)
I get that, Duckie, but for my relationship, we can't get married because he's on disability and if he marries me, he'll lose a lot of money, and he can't afford that because he's legally blind and has a seizure disorder. But whatever. I'm all for common law marriages, and that's what I want anyway. I agree about the legal stuff, but this is the sort of thing that we can't really do anything about so we'll just do what we can and leave it at that.

He's very lucky to have you as a partner Bubbly, it seems you two have put up with a lot.

MsMarvelDuckie 06-17-2015 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22 (Post 1473063)
I get that, Duckie, but for my relationship, we can't get married because he's on disability and if he marries me, he'll lose a lot of money, and he can't afford that because he's legally blind and has a seizure disorder. But whatever. I'm all for common law marriages, and that's what I want anyway. I agree about the legal stuff, but this is the sort of thing that we can't really do anything about so we'll just do what we can and leave it at that.

No sh*tstorm here, Snake. That's great that you support marriage. I'm just the type to not believe in it and believe that you can be committed without the piece of paper no matter what.

And, RR, another factor is that most couples choose to wait to live together until they're married and that can be problematic as it can cause issues. That's what happened with my parents, and I'm the type to believe that if you want to get married, you better live with them first to see if you can coexist together.


Bubbly, why would him being married have anything to do with his disability? My hubby is currently trying to get on it, too, and his marital status isn't an issue. It's more based on income and physical matters, from what I've been told. Being married or single has little if anything to do with your disability status- because it goes by HIS past income(if any), although if you're married the y DO require income status on other members of the household for legal verification reasons. That shouldn't affect either of you, though.


As for the marriage before living together- in the past, that was usually the case. Nowadays, though, MOST couples DO live together first, often for at least a year or more. In fact, that's what we did. We were actually together for over three years before getting "legally" married (and our hand-fasting or "religious" wedding was after almost a year of being together even before the "real" legal wedding.) Living together before marriage is now the norm, rather than the exception- which might explain why so many people no longer consider marriage such a big deal- because they're already LIVING as "spouses" with OR without the paper that makes it official, so many don't even think of it as an issue until something like hospital or taxes come up.

BubblyShell22 06-17-2015 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 1473211)
He's very lucky to have you as a partner Bubbly, it seems you two have put up with a lot.

Yes, he is lucky, and he's a great guy. I'm lucky to have him as well because we have that common bond of knowing what it's like to be visually impaired. It's one of the things that drew us together.



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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie (Post 1473222)
Bubbly, why would him being married have anything to do with his disability? My hubby is currently trying to get on it, too, and his marital status isn't an issue. It's more based on income and physical matters, from what I've been told. Being married or single has little if anything to do with your disability status- because it goes by HIS past income(if any), although if you're married the y DO require income status on other members of the household for legal verification reasons. That shouldn't affect either of you, though.


As for the marriage before living together- in the past, that was usually the case. Nowadays, though, MOST couples DO live together first, often for at least a year or more. In fact, that's what we did. We were actually together for over three years before getting "legally" married (and our hand-fasting or "religious" wedding was after almost a year of being together even before the "real" legal wedding.) Living together before marriage is now the norm, rather than the exception- which might explain why so many people no longer consider marriage such a big deal- because they're already LIVING as "spouses" with OR without the paper that makes it official, so many don't even think of it as an issue until something like hospital or taxes come up.

About the disability: He's already on it and has been for quite a few years. I think it depends on how long you've been on it. I know your hubby's trying to get on it, so that's one thing, but it's different if you've been on it for a long time which he has. He looked into it, and he found out that he'll still get disability but it'll be greatly depleted, and that's just not something I want given his condition. And like I said, I don't really think marriage is the be all end all of a relationship, and I'm willing to sacrifice that for him. Not many women would be willing to do that because they want the whole package of marriage and kids, but I don't.

And I agree about the religious aspect of it, but that's why a lot of couples don't live together before marriage, though it's not as common for that to happen as it used to be.

tmnt transformer 06-17-2015 04:37 PM

I believe in marriage, but fear that I never will. I would like to, but there really isn't many girls that fit into my standards...

Ninturtle 06-18-2015 02:09 AM

I don't want to marry with kids because divorce screws a guy when it happens.

BubblyShell22 06-18-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tmnt transformer (Post 1473284)
I believe in marriage, but fear that I never will. I would like to, but there really isn't many girls that fit into my standards...

You shouldn't be afraid of that. Not everybody gets married, and that's okay. And sometimes standards change.

Candy Kappa 06-18-2015 11:23 AM

I'm pretty neutral to marriage, there is some nice legal laws that goes for married couples compared to partner couples, but that's about it for me. If my partner ever want to get engaged and get married I'm not gonna say no. I mean, there's also a big party involved with god food and gifts.

Katie 06-18-2015 05:48 PM

Marriage is a serious commitment that I think people really don't understand.

I think the reason so many people are sour on it is because too many people rush into marriage with people they don't really know for petty superficial reasons, or worse, to satisfy some psychological need. Then, when those relationships go bad they tell war stories and people start to believe that all marriage is that way.

If people would take the time to come to their own maturity, figure out who they are, find a similar minded person, and take time to really get to know them and their family and their story.....it wouldn't be such a dirty word.

tmnt transformer 06-18-2015 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22 (Post 1473458)
You shouldn't be afraid of that. Not everybody gets married, and that's okay. And sometimes standards change.

I am for several reasons... first being that I don't want to be lonely.. I've never really had many friends. second being that some of my favorite heroes found someone, so why not me...

Powder 06-18-2015 11:02 PM

I could see myself settling down with that special person but I don't believe in marriage. If she wants a ring or some symbol of the bond, sure, I could do that, but we're not going through the church or the state or anything like that, & you're leaving with what you came with, in the event of conflict. Neither I nor my money will be bound to anyone. Kids? No way.

BubblyShell22 06-19-2015 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tmnt transformer (Post 1473636)
I am for several reasons... first being that I don't want to be lonely.. I've never really had many friends. second being that some of my favorite heroes found someone, so why not me...

See, I'm the opposite. I don't mind being alone and while I'm happy to be in a relationship right now, I never thought of it as something I just HAD to do. Wanting to be in a relationship just because you don't want to be alone is a poor reason for wanting something like that. You should want a relationship for other reasons like having something in common with somebody or because you find somebody who really identifies with you. Being alone is not a bad thing, and I hate how people seem to think that being in a relationship will somehow cure their loneliness. My sister had this idea, too, and it really hasn't worked for her as she's married to a guy who doesn't really care about her. So, I say stop with the whole, "I don't want to be alone!" excuse because that's a poor way of wanting to be in a relationship.



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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1473669)
I could see myself settling down with that special person but I don't believe in marriage. If she wants a ring or some symbol of the bond, sure, I could do that, but we're not going through the church or the state or anything like that, & you're leaving with what you came with, in the event of conflict. Neither I nor my money will be bound to anyone. Kids? No way.

Yep, same here. You don't have to be married to be committed to someone you love. I don't need a piece of paper or some piece of jewelry to bind me to someone I care about. And the best part about not being married is that if the relationship goes astray, all you have to do is break up with them with no legal ramifications like you would in a divorce. So, that's one of the big reasons I don't want it.

And, Katie, I get what you're saying, but my mom and dad have been married for a long time, and he turned out to be the biggest jerk in the universe. I always tell my mom that she should have lived with him first so she would have known what she was getting into, and she agrees with me on that point. But both are Catholic and in that religion, you don't live together before marriage, so there you go. I think the problem for the most part is not only the rushing into it, but also the fact that people tend to not live together before marriage, and you need to do that to see if you'll fit in with the person for the rest of your life. That's the way I look at it.

Jephael 06-20-2015 11:16 AM

I definitely consider myself more of the swinging bachelor persuasion. Had I been born 30-40 years sooner and in a different part of the country, I probably would've been an Austin Powers style hipster.

To be honest I have considered marriage in the past, but most girls I'm lucky enough to know just like me as a friend or at best a friendly acquaintance. I'd be fine with that if not for a certain part of my anatomy. :trolleye:

Prowler 06-20-2015 12:33 PM

It's pretty natural for people 25 and under to not be interested in getting married. I think most people are like that. My mother at 19-20 also claimed she'd never get married(her parents didn't get along very well...) and have kids, and yet here I am :P

I suppose I could see myself living with someone else later in life, but I simply cannot picture myself as a father. Just doesn't sound right. I know one should never say never, but I really doubt I'll have descendants.

Jephael 06-20-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1474329)
I suppose I could see myself living with someone else later in life, but I simply cannot picture myself as a father. Just doesn't sound right. I know one should never say never, but I really doubt I'll have descendants.

Do you have any nieces or nephew's though? I got one of each, so as long as they're around I'm content knowing that part of my family bloodline lives on... even if they don't have the same last name as me.

Prowler 06-20-2015 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael (Post 1474331)
Do you have any nieces or nephew's though? I got one of each, so as long as they're around I'm content knowing that part of my family bloodline lives on... even if they don't have the same last name as me.

No, I don't. I have an older brother who is 32 and he's not married or engaged. I don't know if he has a gf, though. But I'd probably have known that by now if he was in a long term relationship. Can't picture him with a wife and kids, tbh.

If i had kids it would be for simply wanting them. I don't care about "furthering my bloodline" or there being kids bearing my last name.

BubblyShell22 06-20-2015 06:01 PM

I have two step-nephews thanks to my sis being married. I have no desire to have kids because I know my dad would have nothing to do with them, so what's the point? I'm perfectly content without that because I probably wouldn't have the patience for kids anyway. I mean, if I accidentally got pregnant, that's one thing, but I'd probably want to abort it anyway. I wouldn't do it though without consulting my BF because he'd be the father, though he is open minded about women having the right to choose and such. It's just a matter of principle with me, but I'd make sure that wouldn't happen by either going on birth control or getting my tubes tied.

NameGoesHere1066 06-26-2015 05:26 PM

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Also, one must take in consideration the emancipation of the female sex since the 2nd half of the 20th century. Women are getting more independent and no longer need men to support them like they did back in the 40s-50s
it's kind of a shame that to attain this Marriage in this country has gone down hill. I know that most divorces are initiated my the wife in a marriage and it has put many young men sour on the whole idea of marriage. Although in the case of my parents it was initiated my my father. It was a divorce my mother did not want since she very much loved my Dad. But my parents got married out of high school and my father fell out of love with my mom and fell in love with another woman (did not help the situation at all that is was a white woman). I think my parents were just too young and did not know who they were yet...at least with my dad case. My parents grew up next door to each other and my mother once said (while a little drunk) that she loved him from the time she was a kid. She denies ever being weak like that while sober but that always stuck with me, that some could fall out of love with someone. My father is still very happy in his new marriage, and is married to this very day. My mother, though she has been in a relationships here and there never got serious with another person. I don't know if she is just bitter on the whole marriage thing now if there is some part of her that is still holding a candle for my dad, but she has never shown any interest in remarrying. it almost makes me resent my father, that he found so much happiness with another woman and has such a good marriage with her and his children from that marriage. And he is not not shy about it either, the few times he and my mom have been in family function and they happen to be together, he is not shy about holding hands and kissing his new wife right in front of my mom.

My dad's a big 'ol bucket of buttercream cake frosting and hearts with his current wife. And it seems genuine, it does not seem like he is putting on an act "for the cameras" or maliciously rubbing his happiness in my mother face. He just loves, loves, loves his wife...I almost wish my mom would hook up with another guy and marry just to show him she can still have a happy marriage like him with another man...but you know, you can't force people to do certain things. I do wish my dad would be a little more aware of my mom's feelings though. Considering he broke off his marriage to her ( a marriage my mother really wanted to hang on to) to marry another woman he said he fell in love with. While married to my mom. This has always gotten me. It did not bother my dad that he was already married to another woman who he had children with, to break up the family structure to pursue happiness with another woman and start a family with her. I know my dad most likely would have been miserable if he had stayed with my mom while longing for this woman but...I don't know...I guess in the end he chose not to live with out what he really wanted. I guess that is just how things go sometimes...

I still believe in marriage even though my parents marriage did not work out.

Storm Eagle 06-26-2015 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1474342)

If i had kids it would be for simply wanting them. I don't care about "furthering my bloodline" or there being kids bearing my last name.

Same here. My interest in having kids was shot to hell several years ago (thanks to a job I worked once). I have people tell me that it's an obligation to reproduce, and carry on a legacy. I haven't done anything majorly special with my life, so there's really no legacy to pass down. People think I'll make a really good father, but if there's no interest, then I don't want to do it because there's the chance that I'll just regret it and become one of those parents who wishes he didn't have kids, and might even end up telling his kids that.

I think the closest to having kids I can see myself, is having those of the canine and feline variety, and I've already got one of the latter. So there.

Prowler 06-26-2015 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Eagle (Post 1476473)
Same here. My interest in having kids was shot to hell several years ago (thanks to a job I worked once). I have people tell me that it's an obligation to reproduce, and carry on a legacy. I haven't done anything majorly special with my life, so there's really no legacy to pass down. People think I'll make a really good father, but if there's no interest, then I don't want to do it because there's the chance that I'll just regret it and become one of those parents who wishes he didn't have kids, and might even end up telling his kids that.

I think the closest to having kids I can see myself, is having those of the canine and feline variety, and I've already got one of the latter. So there.

Well, to be fair, that's mostly a way of people feeling the duty to propagate the species. Humans are wired to continue propagation of the species, after all. The thing is, in developed nations, it's harder for people to have kids nowadays due to obvious factors. Ironically it's actually people in undeveloped nations that are having tons of kids. Rationally speaking, one should not have several kids if they can't even financially support themselves.

sdp 06-26-2015 06:51 PM

So...what you're trying to say is that....R.I.P. married couples?

I mean we gotta keep the theme of the Current Events section. Let's change the name of the topic.

TheCanadiandrome 06-28-2015 12:44 AM

I've seen too much bs in my family to ever wanna get married and I hate kids so that's the other reason I stay single lol

Storm Eagle 06-28-2015 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1476479)
Well, to be fair, that's mostly a way of people feeling the duty to propagate the species. Humans are wired to continue propagation of the species, after all. The thing is, in developed nations, it's harder for people to have kids nowadays due to obvious factors. Ironically it's actually people in undeveloped nations that are having tons of kids. Rationally speaking, one should not have several kids if they can't even financially support themselves.

Too bad not everybody is mentally stable enough to be a parent. I can see why people think I'd make a good father, but I'm just not up to it. Anyway, even if I did want kids, I'd have to find a woman brave enough to help me make that happen anyway.

snake 06-28-2015 01:20 AM

I don't mind marriage, but f*ck kids.

Storm Eagle 06-28-2015 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1476817)
I don't mind marriage, but f*ck kids.

That's me in a nutshell, although I wouldn't go as far as to say "f*ck kids".

TheCanadiandrome 06-28-2015 03:35 AM

I shouldn't say I hate kids, I do love my friends 3 kids and my little cousins but just hate the idea of ever having kids

BubblyShell22 06-28-2015 08:44 AM

Yeah, same here. It depends on the kid, but I don't really see myself as a mother and I don't really have the patience for kids. I can tolerate my BF's niece and nephew, but that's about it.

ssjup81 07-03-2015 09:25 PM

I like kids a lot, hence my job and jumping at the chance to work in a nursery school, despite the lower pay, but ever since I learned and saw where babies came from, which terrified me, I vowed never to physically have them. I still feel this way. Ever since I was about 11 or 12 I decided that if I have kids someday, I would adopt and I'd want them before the age of 30. So yeah... lol

As for marriage...I've never been interested. Felt that way since I was a kid too, despite my parents being happily married.

CyberCubed 07-05-2015 01:31 AM

I think the problem is a lot of people marry after only knowing someone for like 2 years or so. I would definitely be with someone at least 5-10 years before ever choosing to marry. You have to know if you can live together and tolerate each other for 5+ years before that.

Then again my parents got married at the age of 25...and they're still together today nearly 30 years later so go figure.


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