DC Restore Super-Marriage In "Superman: Lois And Clark"
 

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Old-School Superscribe Dan Jurgens picks up where his well-received Convergence tie-ins left off as pre-flashpoint Clark and his wife Lois raise their young son on a world where the familiar villains Superman faced have yet to be created...but that will soon change. Lois investigates Intergang, and their son is on the verge of discovering his parents true identities.

http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2015/07...with-their-son

Heeeey, well that's somethin'.

Very savvy on DC's part, as the Lois & Clark stuff seems like the only thing anyone actually liked from that Convergence mess. It was definitely the most popular thing. I'm gonna try and get this. Jurgens is one of the only guys alive I trust with Superman, and by far the best of the Modern Age scribes. That and the premise has me intrigued.

Yeah, I like that Lois also has her own side-quest and putting her investigative side to good use to protect her loved ones, and the idea of Clark having an awareness of the villains before they come into being opens up a rich sense of morality play questions. For a company not too bothered with continuity anymore, I think this book will still serve us with some of that since it informs Clark very much of who he is and what his world had endured under the more fleshed out villains

Some more details, as Dan Jurgens clarifies a very important plot twist

The Earth Lois and Clark have settled on is post-Flashpoint New 52 Earth


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Why couldn' Marvel have done something like this? Im jealous now....

Exactly what I was thinking. A universe shared by a married and a single Spider-Man would have been interesting, but hey, given how Truth is developing, it'll be even better to see how New 52 Lois and Clark's relationship stacks up to their predecessors when the pairs eventually meet.

Jurgens talks Lois and Clark

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Sorry, I haven't been following comics in a few years now. After reading this, I'm still a little confused(also very, very tired at work :P) Is this more or less a spiritual sequel to Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman?

No, not in the slightest.

........:cry:

Basically, if you read Superman in the 90s through to the 2000s, this is that Superman and Lois, now inhabiting a universe shared by two different versions of Lois and Clark that have been the mainstream representations since 2011. In this universe, Superman's identity is public knowledge (due to Lois outing him in order to protect him from blackmail), which makes life difficult for the Superman featured in this book who's trying to keep his family safe.

I really like the concept except for the son part. Kryptonians being that biologically compatible with humans bothers me and takes the last of his kind loneliness away from the character.
Also I think the son was a big obstacle (amongst many) for Superman returns sequel. It's a whole new game for Lois and Clark.
It kind of sounds more like dragon ball (I wonder if Jonathan will be more powerful like Gohan was) all in all sounds interesting as they are willing to try something new.
Now if they could only make a comic of Nightwing and Oracle as a marriage I would be very happy.

That does'nt need to apply to this Superman, seeing as DC have a new version to pile all that tiresome and outdated angst on.

:lol: I can't stand when they lean on how lonely and isolated he supposedly is. Those are the most boring Superman stories ever. I mean I hate when there's a million Kryptonians, too, I'm fine with like, three or four... but when they keep droning on about how "alone" he's supposed to be... I just check out. :lol:

Like, the guy usually goes most of his life before he sees the rocket (it's only in like two or three versions where he's a kid when he learns he's an alien). He more or less grew up thinking or assuming he was born here; finding out you're an alien in your 30s isn't a whole lot different than not finding out you're half-German until your 30s... a little awkward, a bit of an adjustment, maybe, but it doesn't really necessitate an entire abrupt upheaval in your life or way of thinking. I'm pretty much in favor of the versions where he learns of his origins later on, as an adult, so for me, Byrne's glib dismissal of "Wow, I'm from planet Krypton. Neat, I guess. Still the same guy, changes nothing, time to go save some stuff," and goes on with his friggin' life is how I see Clark's processing of his alien origins. Not being all angsty and whiny about it.

As far as biology, they've been doing "Imaginary" or "What-If" stories where Clark and Lois or Lana had a baby going back to like the 50s and maybe earlier, so... I always just assumed humans and Kryptonians were compatible and it just wasn't something they felt like being aggressive about mentioning in print. And in the 90s comics, if you knew exactly where to look there were some subtle but clear hints that Lois and Clark were sexually active even before they were married.

It always confused me when people by default assumed they couldn't hook up or have kids. In my head it was always the opposite. :lol: I'unno.

Not to mention Lois and Clark get pretty steamy in Smallville, both on-screen and in the comics, long before they scratch their seven-year itch to get married in it's canon

It's nice to see the real Superman again. :ohwell: I just hate that inevitably, there's going to be some scenario where they have to "prove" why the new impostor they've had in the books for the last 5 years is more suitable to be Superman now. I mean, other than "passing the torch" from the real Superman to the new one, where else can you really go with this, long-term?

I don't know. That little bit was nice, and I'm all in favor of as much of the real Superman as we can get, I'm just not sure what the long-term plan is.

It doesn't help they're regurgitating, beat-for-beat, the same lines that Earth-2 Superman was saying when he broke back out into the main universe in Infinite Crisis, that there was something too edgy and faithless about the current reality. You have to wonder how demoralizing it is to have the "real" Superman come in and say something to the extent of "get off my lawn" to characters that the company are trying to sell on existing readers as being viable for the long-term.

I do keep on top of things going on with the new post-2011 DC a tiny bit, just enough to not be completely lost - as a lifelong comics fan, the idea of dropping out of it completely is really depressing to think about - but every single thing I look at from DC anymore is awful.

Like, I agree 100% with Real Superman - this universe f*cking sucks like nothing I've ever seen. Yet it's the one they insist on forcing down everyone's throats. So yeah, as you say, having someone like Superman point out in-story how sh*tty it all is, is puzzling.

I keep hoping that one day somehow Superman will find a way to bring back the real DCU and this one will just be another parallel, written off as a failed experiment. I mean, the "Brightest Day" angle kicked off a ton of stuff that never got properly finished, and I'd much rather see what was going to happen with all of that stuff than I am with this new junk. Minus Ice's new "secret origin", obviously, that was crummy. :lol:

I'unno man. I'unno. This story partly seems like a bone for disillusioned older fans like me, but a bigger part of it feels like a giant cocktease. My default reaction to everything DC does anymore is, "Let's see how they f*ck THIS up." Versus ten years ago when I was seriously digging almost everything they put out. :ohwell:

Anybody got Mike Carlin's phone number, by chance?

I don't even read comics at all, I just look up wiki summaries and such to get the general gist of what's happening. :lol:

A bit of a slow start to Lois and Clark but it's interesting. The Kents now go by the name "White", Lois publishes books as "Author X", and we get a brief look at how Clark, Hal, Barry and Kara prevented the original Crisis...in a battle scene where you see virtually no other hero except the ones I just mentioned tackle the Anti-Monitor. Yep.

Anyway, turns out Clark and Lois can't go back to pre-flashpoint because it's "gone forever" so they settle on New 52 Earth. Clark, as part of a mission to prevent the origins of his rouge's gallery, averts Hank Henshaw's doomed flight, but there's a bit of a twist at the end

Jon's a cute little kid too. "He shouldn't buy plastic because it isn't sustainable"

Nostradamus is you.


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Both Supermen will team up in the 50th issue of the regular Superman series

Ought'a be an interesting read no matter what. I might end up swinging by the shop to pick that up.

Really haven't kept up with this, but...

Which readers wanted that specifically, though? I'd think they'd want all of the pre-Flashpoint characters back, not just Superman and Lois fitting into a inferior replacement world. v:ohwell:v

And both times, even though the clear message was that the charm and heart of the DCU had been lost, the PTB refuse to change course. It's kind of maddening!

It's been this way since "Identity Crisis", right? It's much of the same "brain trust" still in charge now as then, I believe? Like, there's a deep-down understanding about what the DCU "should" be, but since that book's success they just keep increasingly chasing this oppressively dour, everyone-miserable-always grimdark tone for so much of their line. It's not a good look and it just doesn't work for most of their characters, but they're fiercely committed to it nonetheless.

So... hold on. Unless I'm missing some twist here, Convergence went to great pains to restore the Pre-Flashpoint Earth (along with every other previous continuity) into the multiverse, and now they've just wiped it out again?

It's actually worse than that. In Convergence, they all actually went back and stopped Crisis On Infinite Earths from ever happening. So the entire DCU from 1986 through 2010 never even happened, technically. :roll: This "new Multiverse" is supposed to be an "evolution" or something of the original Multiverse, had the Crisis never wiped out all the parallel universes the first time. Absolutely nothing that happened between Crisis and Flashpoint ever "really" happened, anymore.

So basically they kept all the infinite universes except the GOOD one. F*cking DiDio, man.

Anyways, mileage on Identity Crisis may vary (I liked it, if for no other reason than before it came out there had been ZERO continuity between DC books for several years, and the events of that series brought everything back into one cohesive universe again, which was absolutely necessary), but MOST of everything DC was putting out between like 2004 and 2010 was really, really good. The Flashpoint mess and everything after it was done out of sales panic, not because the stories weren't good. There were some colossal misfires along the way like Countdown, Amazons Attack, Cry For Justice, etc., but those were small things in the big picture. Even the lesser stuff was tons better than what they're shoveling out now.

They seem to have made a pig's ear out of the Superman/Wonder Woman thing also...while it seemed like Clark ended things with her definitively in "Truth", Dinaa tells Steve in this month's issue of JL she and Clark are "more than friends" but "not in love"...what in the arse does that even mean Geoff?

First you had Clark's "I DON'T LOVE YOU ANYMORE" from the preview sample for that issue of SS/WW rewritten in the actual book to "I don't know if I love you anymore" and now this. Either commit to the premise or you don't for f*ck's sake

Hold on. So if Crisis never happened, and thus Post-Crisis never happened, then how the hell did Flashpoint and the New 52 happen?

Attempting to "fix" their continuity, but instead only making the whole mess even more convoluted and ridiculous, is probably the most consistent DC move there is. :P

I'm all for doing an "everything counts" hand-wave. I mean, if you're going to reboot as often as they do, why turn off pockets of your readership any more than you have to? But "everything counts, except this" is just such a dumb, weirdly spiteful move.

Oh, I'm with you! Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint is 100% my DCU and I'd take even the worst of that over the New 52 any day of the week. And yeah, I was reading a bunch of stuff during that period too, but there was plenty of constant grimdark nonsense going on somewhere during that period. Wonder Dog eating Marvin and crippling Wendy, Dr. Light raping his way through the decade, murdered children, someone getting their limb(s) cut or blown off every three months... That kind of tone was maybe easier to ignore then than after the reboot, but IMO it was still a really gross, bad fit for most of the line.

It's like someone higher-up was embarrassed to be making superhero comics and thought injecting horrible death, maiming, and sexual violence made them more "mature" somehow. Except they were so bad at it that the opposite was true, making them read like they were written and edited by "edgy" teenage boys.

So... why were WW and Supes a couple in the first place? So DC could make a minor fortune off that "WW/Supes" shipping cover? :trolleye:

We were constantly told at the time there was a plan for the pairing, and that breaking them up was part of that plan and would cause a big shake-up in the DC landscape...but no, the general message now seems to be "New 52 Clark threw a hissy fit and now has no luck with any woman", and now that they've got a Supes back that has more luck in that department, they're probably going to have him swear off ever pursuing another one.

Bry: Yeah, point taken, but only some of those things bugged me. But you're right, there was "somebody" trying to steer things consistently in that direction and his name is Dan DiDio. Man, for the first few years it seemed like he kinda had some stuff on the ball, but I think it's pretty conclusive by now that he's one of the worst people to ever steer the ship over there.

I mean the guy hated 52 and loved Countdown. That right there means you shouldn't even be allowed to WRITE comic books, let alone run a f*cking comic book company. He said Countdown was "52 done right". What else needs to be said? I'm usually against laying 100% of the praise or blame on any one person, but I'm pretty goddamn positive that every bad thing to come out of DC in the last 15 years is that guy's fault. He's so consistently f*cking STUPID.

As for WW/Superman, that was always just more pandering to the vocal minority that think only another "demigod" can properly pair with Superman. I understand the logic but it still isn't a good idea. I get why people toy with it and it's a fun idea but it shouldn't be canon.

Basically, the people who insist Lois Lanes' loins can't physically take Kryptonian lovemaking? :tlol:

The Didiot? He insulted my fan preferences to my face back at the 2009 Heroes Con. I agree in everything you said. The compent and trusted Paul Levitz was forced out for doing a good job while his number two wrote very few comic and all sucked epically. He should have stuck to TV like his ironic association with ReBoot. Can I be vice-president of the anti-fan club?

That's the thing that tears me about all this -- I love ReBoot. And he actually wrote and co-plotted some really great episodes during season three.

I don't know what happened in-between, because damn near everything he's done at DC has turned me off completely. :ohwell:

Some people think they can move either to the left or up and be just as effective. Truth is Didio can't be that as his few and poorly done writting assignments showed DC. My guess is he was under contract and did not know what to do with him so they made him an executive instead of parting ways. Bad move now we have to wait for the 56 year old to retire. His choice words about Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon shows he does not know the characters and doesn't care about fan interest. Just the paycheck. Just to be clear it has nothing to do with my costumed identity preferences with the two characters.

Don't get me started.

Far as I know, Clark Kent still has to take a piss and brush his teeth. And his Kryptonian piss stream doesn't erupt from his pisshole with enough force to shatter the toilet bowl, nor does he shatter the sink into a million pieces when he goes to rinse and spit. Nor does he rip a doorknob off when he turns it to open a door, or cause a hurricane when he blinks his eyes. :roll:

"I guarantee you he blows a load like a shotgun right through her back" was a funny line but completely illogical if given even the tiniest bit of thought. Seriously over-thinking it for the sake of making "cute" jokes and stuff. It's silly.

Plus the comics from at least '86 and afterwards never really made it any secret that they got down. They didn't throw it in people's faces obnoxiously but there were lots of times it was implicitly implied that they were about to have sex or just got done having sex. Lots and lots of times. So it amazes me that the whole "They can't have sex" thing gained any traction at all.

Wanting to see him with Wonder Woman instead really only serves to devalue Lois. It implies that as a "mere mortal" she simply isn't good enough for Superman, but Diana is because she's a magical Amazon, she's "special", which means Lois is NOT special and doesn't deserve him. It's stupid. The whole thing is stupid.

Clark + Lois is a Day One thing, as much as the red cape and Clark's glasses. To me, it takes some brass balls to try and undo or argue against a piece of Day One Canon, and imply your idea is better or makes more sense. It's silly.

Hey go figure, we're on the same page once again. :lol:

I have always, always hated that interpretation of Superman. If someone definines the character almost completely by his powers, they just don't get Superman at all. The SUPER and the MAN are both critically important. Hell, the MAN is a lot more important, really. The powers didn't make him a hero, being raised by Ma and Pa Kent did. Being raised human did. That's the whole point. People may see him as a god, but HE doesn't. He's not "above" regular humans -- in his mind he is absolutely one of them. Even hinting at a narrative that he "needs" to be with someone on his physical level misses the point of the character so damn much it's borderline offensive.

His attraction to Lois makes all the sense in the world. She's a hero. She doesn't have superpowers, but she's brave and principled and puts herself on the line every day to fight for truth and justice with the power of journalism. Lois Lane is Clark's superhero.

Leo, was "blow a load like a shotgun through her back" actually real dialogue in a real comic!? :teek: Holy crap. That's amazingly bad.

It's a line from Mallrats:



It's almost, almost funny that people with the same mindset about these characters as the maladjusted jackasses from a Kevin Smith movie are now running DC Comics.

ALMOST. :P