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Batman: The Killing Joke
At long last, one of the greatest Batman/Joker stories ever written will be getting an animated adaption:
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Hopefully Hamill gets casted as the Joker. |
Really looking forward to seeing this but man, I'm wondering how far they're going to go with the Joker's torture of Barbara. Like, how much they're going to show vs how much they're going to imply, know what I mean?
Definitely hope Mark Hamill does the VA work. |
Sweet, I'm all for this.
I don't think Hamill will ever fully retire the Joker voice. I mean he just did it for Arkham Knight and all. |
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Most likely Barbara will just be shot. |
Sweet can't wait for this
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Ugh, this might be too dark for my tastes as an animated feature. Its not really an action-packed story. Its mostly the Joker being Satan in that ridiculous shirt.
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Yes, because we're all begging to see an animated nekked Jim Gordon:P
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Hell yeah I loved Killing Joke and I'm glad there doing a story from the past instead of New 52. I'm sure they will get Hamill it would be nice if his final swan song as Joker would be animated movie instead of a video game.
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Hasn't Hammil "retired" the joker since the first Arkham Assylum game?
I wonder what they'll add to the story to make it into a movie. For "A death in the family" they basically only did it as a flash back to the origin of Red Hood. It'd be cool if they somehow incorporate Batgirl year one or a Batgirl story in the story since Batgirl has basically nothing to do in the movie besides being shot. I actually thought the animated version of A Death in the Family was more graphic in the beating that he took when compared to the comic, the problem is that after all that damage he looks pretty much ok, I would've preferred a less graphic beating but seeing him all bruised up and beat up later. |
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I would actually be willing to bet he will be voicing joker. The fans wants it, he wants and I guarantee you DC wants him to do it for marketing and publicity purposes. |
About frakking time!
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Switch out Alfred for Batgirl and it would be perfect. Both are stories that showcase Joker as top of the line crazy and deadly yet provides a fun story. Or if you want a more modern story I have wanted "Hush" adapted for a good while now. Spoiler:
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Hush would be fun the same way Public Enemies was fun. People say Hush is less a story than a series of Boss Fights, and that's not wrong, but that's exactly why it would make for a great animated film. You have a perfectly valid excuse to do straight-up fan service without having to justify a $250 million budget.
Personally, I didn't mind "Hush" the comic story. There's not a lot to it but it was the kind of story you need to do every once in a while. Just a nice little "Greatest Hits" kinda deal in between all the more complicated stuff. I'd love it if they animated that one. This ought'a be interesting, although quite a violent choice. You wonder what kind of creative changes they'll make. |
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Bruce Timm anounced at SDCC this weekend that they're doing an alternate/new prologue. |
Did you guys not see the Catwoman short in Batman Year One? A little "side boob" is not going to be a problem in this DTV.
Would Hush actually work? Half of the fun was the mystery if they would actually revive Jason Todd or not and if he was indeed Hush, instead the mystery ended up being fairly lame. |
My thing is, I doubt they'll have Joker torture Gordon by bombarding him with photos of Barbara, naked and crippled. I think THAT is gonna be a little too far for them to try and do. What I have a feeling they'll do instead, is maybe have one of Joker's henchmen record him shooting her, and then maybe make Gordon watch THAT over and over again, just the video clip of her getting shot. I mean it's kinda weak, and MAYBE they'll keep it comics-accurate, but I'll be surprised if they fully Go There. I'll be thrilled if it's super-accurate, but we'll see.
I mean kids DO still watch these things, even though they're ostensibly aimed at an older audience. Parents don't care, they see "super-hero cartoons" and they buy the DVD for their kids, especially if it's Batman. Like I said, Hush wouldn't be great as a "real" movie but it'd be great as one of these things. Public Enemies was really just "Superman and Batman vs. Everyone", and it was terrific, one of the best they've done. "Hush" as an animated feature would be no different, just an excuse to do Batman vs. his entire Rogues Gallery. There's a time for Story and a time for Fan Service. I've never had any problem at all with Hush being firmly in the latter category. It would look great as an animated feature. Since it sold huge numbers I have no doubt they'll get around to it one day. |
If its anything like the Arkham Knight videogame which had a flashback of the Killing Joke, then the actual Joker/Batgirl scene is probably going to be extremely brief.
Don't forget in the "Under the Red Hood" movie, Joker torturing Jason Todd was extremely brief and being hit with the crowbar barely did any damage to his face and had minimal bleeding. It was no more extreme than the fight scenes seen in the Justice League cartoon. Even though these movies are allowed to show death and have cursing, the actual fighting is barely any different than the cartoons. |
But that would be a lot more damaging to the adaptation of this particular story, where the plot was secondary and the violence was the entire point.
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Remember these movies aren't typically aimed at comic fans, they're aimed at people who never picked up a comic in their life but watched the other DC cartoons aired on TV. They were never meant to be 1:1 adaptions. |
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For a cinematic Batman movie, I've always thought blending "The Killing Joke", "Mad Love" and "Death in the Family" would be an awesome idea for showing how the Joker breaks EVERYONE except for Batman... but maybe even Batman, too. |
Under The Red Hood was a loose adaptation of Jason's revival not A Death in the Family, it was included since it was needed in the backstory. Not to mention A Death in the Family is a long and rather boring story.
The Killing Joke is rather short as well and nothing to do with Barbara if you really think about it, the sole reason she was even used was because DC hadn't used her in a long time so they gave the go ahead to cripple her. Again, these DTVs have had plenty of sexual content before, it's not like we see Barbara nude in the comic, just brief nudity at best. The Catwoman short in the Year One DTV had far more sexual content than The Killing Joke could possibly have. And my comment about Hammill was more about how he has been retiring the joker for nearly a decade and yet he keeps coming back so yeah he might come back. |
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Other stories can get away with some trimming to fit what the censors want, but This Story has no point WITHOUT any of that. The events depicted over the story itself are mundane by comic standards. "Secondary character gets shot. Ho hum. Joker kidnaps a supporting cast member and Batman rescues them. Sigh. We see a Joker origin that DC annoyingly insists is NOT the 'real' one, because they hate Alan Moore and still think one of their own hacks will one day write a better one." What made the book stand out was ENTIRELY the graphic violence and torture scenes. The rest of it is nothing special, frankly. You can't water it down too much, or at all, without completely losing the point of it, is what I'm saying. I'm with Cylons in expecting that they'll go pretty far, maybe even farther than we suspect. I'm just curious as to HOW much they'll be allowed to do, because I suspect they will have to trim it down SOMEwhere. Quote:
Also, 4 issues. If that's a "long boring" story you must not have much of an attention span, no offense. Like all 80s comics, it's wordy, but you can still read it all in an hour. |
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They're likely going to take ideas from TKJ and make it into something more action-packed. |
I'unno, I have a little more faith in them than that. I think it'll be fine, I'm just Curious as to what changes are going to be made.
I am expecting the whole Axis Chemicals "Joker Origin" scene to be dragged out and made as Big as possible, to give viewers the maximum amount of action stuff. That and the funhouse. They're definitely going to pad the heck out of those two scenes. I imagine some of the stuff with Joker as a "regular guy" before the accident will probably be trimmed so we don't empathize with him too much. Like we'll probably hear about his pregnant wife, but never see her, that kind of thing. Because if we see her, and get too involved in his backstory, we start wanting him to successfully pull off the robbery so he can support his family, and we get mad at Batman for accidentally dropping him into the chemicals, and we're not supposed to be rooting for the bad guy. But that's kind of the brilliance of the book and how it makes you think, which was fine for what the book did but I suspect that for this, they'll simplify it wherever they can. |
Who wants Peter Chung of Original TMNT show/Aeon Flux/COPS (80s toon) fame to do the movie?
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so it can happen. |
Mark Hamill wants to voice The Joker in The Killing Joke adaptation. He is officially hired to do the role, but if he wants it I bet it is his.
http://collider.com/animation-news-7/ |
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Looks like Hamill voicing the Joker is official. Great news.
http://collider.com/batman-the-killi..._medium=social |
Hammil but no Kevin Conroy as Batman? Those two go together like bread and butter, if it isn't seeing them interacted it just won't be the same.
Come to think of it, I don't think Mark Hammil ever voiced the Joker in anything that Kevin Conroy also wasn't in. |
Do we have confirmation Conroy ain't attached?
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And people accuse me of living in the past. Yeesh.
I mean, it's neat, but holy sh*t, relax. |
I get annoyed whenever the same people do the same voice over and over. I prefer hearing new voices.
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The Killing Joke has a rep but it's more suggestive than explicit, I mean, they packed it in with an action-figure a few years ago. I think they can probably get fairly close based on some of the content I've seen in Assault on Arkham and The Dark Knight Returns. I kinda want them to make an adaptation of Knightfall, even though it would probably be nine hours long and fairly tedious in places. It would make a good one-shot TV series though. |
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He's great at the version he does, and he's better than almost everyone who ever played him in general, but I don't think it's a sadistic or menacing enough voice for the darker, more comics-oriented version of the character. Y'know, the guy who skins people alive just to watch 'em die. That's The Joker, but it's NOT Mark Hammill's Joker. So yeah, I like him but I'm fine when other people get a crack at it. I don't think he's quite the right fit for this project, and once again people's nostalgia has just forced DC's hand. I mean, it's fine. There's been worse. The guy in Red Hood, as I recall, was awful. Off the top of my head, I can't think of who I'd pick for Killing Joke, but I wouldn't have picked Mark. Not for this one. |
I just wanna see and hear different takes on familiar characters. But like you said, never gonna happen with people being nostalgia junkies.
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The funny thing is Mark Hamil said he was retiring from playing the Joker back when Arkham City came out in 2011...yet he's come back again. It obviously isn't for the money because this is friggin Luke Skywalker and the man is loaded, but I guess he just loves playing the character.
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