Tmnt vs batman - who wins?
 

Simple. As soon as the Batman/TMNT Crossover was announced, me and my friend got into this massive debate!

He thinks Batman wins hands down even if all 4 Turtles from ANY version team up on him.

Thoughts/Rebuttals?

Besides, it's a dumb question. As if a guy who can beat up 40 ninjas couldn't beat up 4 of 'em.

I really want the Turtles to win. But an honest and critical analysis leaves me with only one answer...

I really want the Turtles to win. :tlol:

They're not so special.

Batman is literally considered to be one of the greatest martial artists in the DC Universe. Not to mention that he has been able to toe to toe with godlike beings, from Superman to Darkseid.

So it wouldn't be much of a fight between the Turtles and himself.

True, but haven't the Turtles beat up tons of ninjas as well?

None of those ninjas were also Batman. It's a subtle but important distinction.

All Batman are Ninjas, but NOT All Ninjas are Batman.

Underselling the whole MUTATED TURTLES thing aren't we?

If he barely flinches at Killer Croc, I don't think the fact they look a little odd would give Batman any pause.

Adam West Batman was a ninja?

My answer? Splinter. Batman MIGHT beat the turtles one on one, or even all four, but once DAD gets involved, its all over. Plus, Batman my be one of the greatest martial artists in the world, but the turtles are among the greatest in the multiverse! Battle Nexus champ, here, duh!!!

Or, alternately (according to my hubby) it would end in a draw and Donnie would hand Bruce his resume for a job at Wayne Enterprises!!

The less said about THAT iteration, the better. Where's a puking Turtle emoticon when I need one?

You make a really good point... Battle Nexus champion and multiverse.

I'm revising my original opinion and yeah, Splinter and the Turtles as a team would hand Wayne his ass. And a job application. Lucius Fox needs a mutant turtle successor. :tlol:

I know, right? Imagine Fox and Donnie working together? Or Bruce and Leo working out strategy? Mikey might help Alfred out in the kitchen, and Raph- he could maybe help Bruce train/spar or something.

Both are highly skilled fighters and good at stealth. Both use armored and weaponized vehicles.

Batman has more, to the point of deus ex machina sometimes but it is still 4 against 1.

I suppose I'd give the turtles the edge since there's 4 of them. I don't know. It's a hard choice.

He would annihilate even the Mirage TMNT. But the fun of it is how it becomes "Let's fight!" (c'mon, it wouldn't be a crossover if there wasn't a bit of that) to "Oh sh*t, let's team up to fight the common enemy!" and I'd be lying if I said that isn't highly interesting to me.

Batman wins.

Yeah, Bats takes it. He even takes Splinter.

I didn't mean appearance, I meant that as in they have SUPERHUMAN strength and way better defence with stuff like their Shells etc.

And what if they wear their strongest armour (Cybernet, Exo-Skeleton, Fast Forward)? It's only fair since Batman's wearing armour....

How would you rate Batman against the Shredder?

Oof. That'd be bloody.

I'm in the minority that dislikes Batman so I say turtles. :tgrin:

I don't DISLIKE Bats, I just think too many people "pump him up" power-wise far too often. Unlike Supes, he's NOT some all-powerful, invincible being. He's HUMAN. with the same limitations and weaknesses as ANY human. the turtles are mutants, which implies certain advantages over a human, no matter HOW well trained and fit. And even in smarts, they have at LEAST his equal among them, if not his better.

They've rarely been displayed having Superhuman Strenght, Peak Human Strenght is more accurate. And it's been shown that besides a certain movie, the shell don't give that much protection, it's not Kevlar, it's just bones and scutes, and as an add on. turtles do have nerves in the shell and do feel through it, like pain for example.

There are three conditions Batman will win on.

1. Writers hard-on for Batman: Batman in modern comics will always win cause current writers don't know any better.

2. Ninjas Rule no 3. Ninjas in numbers are useless and canon fodder, Batman being a lone Ninja will automatically win cause his power level exceeds the number of Ninjas he'll be fighting. Basic Ninjas fiction logic.

3. Batman is simply more skilled, he knows more martial arts, and is highly skilled in the arts of stealth and misdirection, something the TMNT often usually lack. The Turtles are good, but not that good. Plus, Batman got fancier toys that wasn't crudely fashioned in a sewer.

By all means, it would have been a spectacular fight, but Batman goes on top, with no casualties because Batman is a professional Superhero.

I would go with the turtles. And to the person above who said that the turtles rarely display superhuman strength, I recommend watching the turtles kicking Traag, the rock monster from dimension x, right to the ground in the nick show.

You don't have to recommend it, I've seem the episode. There is a line between Superhuman a Strenght and Peak Human Strenght.

Teryy Mcginnis is not a ninja, he is not even a martial artist.
Right??


I am honestly surprised that no one brought up the fact Batman is an elite detective and tactitionist.

Here is my breakdown. If it was a random meeting by chance. Say Batman out on Patrol and crosses TMNT I think the turtles would win. But if this was a planned battle like Batman fight in Dark Knight returns. Batman would win.

That is my opinion.

I gues we'll just have find out soon, won't we;)
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I say the Turtles pin Batman down, and then Leonardo stabs him several times in the heart and brain.

^Sure
Batman would cripple all of them, he'd then beat up Splinter, Casey Jones, Angel/Nobody and Hob for good measure. Hell it took Bane exhausting the man for a month to break him. It's not even fair.

I know there is a line between superhuman strength and peak human strength. However, Shredder, one of the most powerful humans in the tmnt universe, couldn't possibly knock down traag. So I say they do have superhuman strength, even though their strength might not be up there with others like superman. After all their strength are above human strength.

How do you know that? He could knock down Leather Head and Throw Rocksteady so he's pretty strong. The series never showed the turtles had super strength just good ninja skills.

Which one????

I don't dislike him either and I also can't stand the Batgod perception people have. But Bats doesn't have the same limitations as ANY human. Not everyone is as trained as he is. He'd take the turtles. By himself. Shredder's done it on a few occasions and he isn't as skilled as Bruce.

Last time I checked, neither Rocksteady or Leatherhead is made of solid rock and lava.

The only way the Turtles (OR TMNT + Splinter) could win is if Peter Laird wrote it. Any other professional comic writer would have a lot more sense.

Batman wins. There's hundreds of examples that can prove it. It'd be a fun fight. But there's absolutely nothing they could do that he wouldn't have already seen and had a defense for. Donnie's probably smarter, and Leo may be AS good a strategist, but those are literally the only two "advantages" the Turtles have. Mikey wouldn't take the fight seriously until it was too late, and Raphael would charge in headfirst and get handed his ass right away, so those two are more of a liability than anything. Donnie doesn't have the killer instinct, and one-on-one, Leo can't win that fight.

In brief: Raph would charge in blind before the others - not sure where Batman even was, covered by shadows and his cape - and get thrown head-first into concrete, knocked out cold - Batman always takes the largest and/or most bloodthirsty ones out right away. 3 on 1, Batman holds them off and notices that Mikey is the "weak link" by how he's always cracking jokes, tricks him into doing something dumb, and incapacitates him. 2 on 1, Batman throws Donnie off-guard by fighting dirty, using his wrist blades to snap his staff and then doing something cheap but effective, like a choke hold or a bone-breaking strike. 1 on 1, Leo vs Batman would be the most entertaining part of the whole thing, but in the end, Batman's experience and the ability to be more vicious and unpredictable would make all the difference. We've seen him do anything to win, from breaking bones to dislocating extremities, to crippling guys from the waist down, anything short of kill. We've rarely, if ever, seen the Turtles be willing to be as vicious as Batman is all the F'n time by default.

"Turtles fight with Honor." Batman fights to win. Batman wins. There'd obviously be a lot more details to the fight but that's more or less the broad strokes of how it would go.

The funniest answer so far.

I think it fully depends on which Batman, and which Turtles.
Batman definitely has the odds in his favor.

C'mon. Batman. Even Mirage Shredder who from age 8 or whatever was raised and forced himself to master ninjitsu to one day avenge Nagi... he had like one, two, three masters ever, tops. Batman traveled the globe learning from everybody to make his whole city straight, multiple martial arts and pretty much everything, and didn't settle until he was a master of it all. That's his thing.

Whatever Donnie has read in sewer books or the internet, Batman has taken courses in paid by his multi-billion dollar trust fund and probably even spoken in college classes. No, sorry, can't give even that one. You're talking about the guy who built Brother Eye.

The one edge the (Mirage) Turtles have is that they're willing to kill and Batman is not. But they'd never even get the chance to do anything with that edge.

Pretty sure Batman dropped out of college :lol:

If only you knew what that iteration did for the Batman franchise. *sigh*

It's possible if Leo plays his cards right. Don't forget that he is also a strategist and quickly learns to customize to his opponent's strategy. He did take down the Ultimate Ninja.

This. Donnie might be pretty smart, Even genius intellect since in several incarnations he've built or helped making some snazzy gadgets and vehicles. But that's it, he's in no way near what Batman have done with the resources a Wayne can use.

Bruce Wayne is a Polymath:
He has studied Biology, Technology, Mathematics, Physics, Mythology, Geography and History.

Gained degrees in Criminal Science, Forensic Sciences, Computer Sciences, Chemistry and Engineering by the time he was 21.

He has mastered Diverse Environmental Training, Security Systems, and illusion/sleight of hand by the time he was 23.

He gained even more degrees in Biology, Physics, Advanced Chemistry, and Technology by the time he was 25.

He had learned Forensic Sciences, Medical Sciences, Expanded Computer and Engineering Sciences, and Expanded Device Pool use of personal powered armor and system, database creation on underworld crime bosses, rogue's gallery foes and other supervillains; improved material sciences for body armor and micro-machinery by the time he was 26.

Has also learned Advanced New Development in Forensic and Medical Sciences.

And for combat, he's the best escapist artist second only to Mister Miracle, and have the pinnacle of Peak Human Condition, as he regularly lifts 1000 lbs, can catch Green Arrow's arrows mid-flight, dodge point blank gunfire, and are on the level with a Olympic Gold Winner gymnastic.

He also have Photographic Memory and easily adapts his fighting style to accommodate his opponent. And almost on par with Green Arrow as a marksman.

But, sure in a fight anything can happen. But the upper hand is in Batman's corner, big time.