Worst Version of Bebop and Rocksteady
 

What's your least favorite version of Bebop and Rocksteady?For me it has to be the 1987 versions. They are just incompetent idiot that while funny aren't good characters in my opinion. The Nick and IDW versions are much better.

Its probably going to be the upcoming 2016 movie versions.

The original cartoon ones are classics and have very funny moments, but I do like Nick and IDW versions too. The Archie versions also had them become more in tune with their animal side.

Fred Wolf are the worst just 2 incompetent idiots

Pending potential Michael Bay abominations, I'd say the Nick versions.

Yeah, the OT Rock and Bop are morons, but for once, I gotta stick up for nostalgia and simply remember how much I love those idiots.

And nothing beats the IDW versions.

So for all their toughness and awesome Russian accents, the Nick versions are definitely my least favorite. Besides, I'm not a Michael Jackson fan. :tlol:

There really has not been a bad version yet. I too am skeptical of what Bay could do so it could be the answer, but its not released yet. While the 1987 cartoon and the related toys are the most iconic and arguably comic relief more than anything as time progressed to season 3-7 I get an enjoyment out off the character even if not my favorite. I always wanted to see these character taken and put blood on their hands. I even suggested that to Peter Laid in person. It did happen, but it was under IDW's direction. They are like unstoppable juggernaut versions of the 1987 characters and do have blood on their hands. That being said that is my favorite. Archie's Adventures I did not care for the animal side taken over, but that was done to differentiate from the concurrent cartoon of the time and they only happened a few times anyway. I do like the Jamaican high-tech thief and Russian general angles to give them the much needed separate personalities and enjoy them this way, but prefer the IDW.

Least favorite for me would be the OT version.

If you put any other answer besides IDW, you must not be a Donatello fan.

This is so stupid , just because they killed Donatello doesn't mean they're great characters.

There is no bad version. They are consistently entertaining as hell.

The NES-SNES Bebop/Rocksteady are always fun boss fights too.

This. Agreed.

Nah. I am Bebop. Can't hate.



Seriously, I don't like TMNT as much without them. They are just so much damn fun. Maybe that's why I'm not a huge fan of the 4Kids version. I will never not love the crap out of these goons.

If you were that Bebop, I might feel differently. As it stands... not so much.

She is, yo.

I know, but I'm saying if she was the Bebop...

Bebop and Rocksteady were created to fill out a toyline, I don't really think they're necessary. Not that you can't use them, it's just that there really isn't much point to them.

Even though I liked the IDW version of them I still recognise they're just there for fanservice. In the Nick cartoon they're just a pair of henchmen alongside a bunch of other henchmen, and they have been reimagined so much they might as well be new characters. In the Archie comics I think Murphy just got sick of writing them, which might be the reason they were shoved aside so early on. And then there' the Fred Wolf version of them... **** the Fred Wolf version of them, talk about annoying...

So yeah, I'd say the Fred Wolf version of them is probably the worst but then again, what I consider to be best version of them seem kind of pointless to me...

Nick Version. I don't have to add much to that anymore :D

I'm going to be honest, I never really liked Bebop and Rocksteady. I've liked Tokka and Rahzar a lot more compared to them strangely.

The thing that sticks out with them is being the classic favorite mutants and always entertaining all generations. No matter which incarnation you like or dislike, they always have found a way to entertain us all. Ranging from being the dumb comic relief in the OT or interesting characters in the IDW and Nick show, you'd be hard pressed not to like them. Just my two cents on that.

However if I had to pick one, I'm going with the Fred Wolf OT. Despite being fun, the "mama!" cry got annoying and stale, they were easy to take down (you'd think they'd be threats as henchmutants), and just never really appealed to me. The voices were cool though I'll admit. :)

They were in the beginning. They were super strong and stuff. They also weren't as dumb in the beginning.

All of the above?
They never really did much for me, regardless of iteration. I've low patience for incompetent characters.

I do agree and don't forget the Red Sky seasons brought a bit more intelligence and intimidation of the characters.

Something tells me as the show got sillier, Bebop and Rocksteady lost intelligence and became the cliched muscle bound soldiers without brains. The beginning and the end made them set up as dangerous threats, but my issue is that they really became lackluster throughout. That's what I dislike the most of the OT for them.

At the very least, the other versions show they are major threats. The OT only does that a few times, a personal gripe mind you.

Archie (at the time they were written out)

Is that because you don't like seeing unintelligent characters on TV glorified for being stupid comic relief? Bebop and Rocksteady might be autistic for all we know, especially in the original cartoon.

Funny, everyone talk about how incompetent and useless, yet the only version that was actually incompetent is the OT. All other versions are pretty competent.

For me, the OT is the worst version, the others are all really dangerous so far. B&R have appeared in so many incarnations that, despite not being Mirage characters, they've become a cemented part of TMNT lore that almost everyone (excepting Mirage Purists) love to see.

Not a huge fan of the Nick versions. OT is alright but my faves by far are IDW. Indestructible powerhouses that are not to be messed with.

Just quickly clearing this up, Autism is a social disorder and has nothing to do with intelligence.

I never really thought of them as having a disability. They're street thugs who just want to be cool, but they're terrible at it. The IDW version captures this best, but even in the OT all they want to do is please Shredder. They're just really incompetent. Incompetence is a trait that can be possessed by anyone.

In the original cartoon they behaved like children though. It felt like they were 10 year olds in the bodies of adults. They were probably born with some mental disability, it wasn't just that they were dumb street punks like in IDW.

Like in the IDW micro when their only job is to sit and look tough at Karai's secret meeting with the Ghost Boys, but they unintentionally start a gang war Karai's plans? Or when they fail their only other 'assignment'?*cough*issue45*cough* IDW's version has yet to successfully accomplish anything they've been ordered to do.

I think maybe the Nick version is the most competent so far (honestly, I haven't seen enough of them to truly comment on it).

Plus, was autism even labeled/diagnosed back in the '80s?

You might be thinking 'Asperger's.' Autism was diagnosed in the 80's, but it had much tighter criteria back then, so it was often for the more rarer 'classic' cases. The Asperger's category wasn't created until the 90's and it was mainly to explain the children who still showed most of the signs of autism, but never had the speech delay or being non-verbal.

Autism has had diagnostic criteria since the 40s. There's been a tight group of researchers working on treatments since the 50s. Iwata and crew are still alive and well and at it.

This. The DSM V really changed the criteria for diagnosis. Autism is now a spectrum disorder and Asperger's isn't a thing anymore.

ANYWAY...

Bebop and Rocksteady are still awesome.

Whichever universe, Bebop and Rocksteady just seem to be parodies. They are either unbelievably strong or unbelievably arrogant or unbelievably stupid. Not once have I seen either of them written with any depth. I pretty much hate them in every incarnation. Sorry B & R fans. *ducks and runs for cover*

You have made me very sad. :tcry: :tlol:

I disagree, but to each his/her own.

I don't think there's any reason to run. Most people are on your side. lol

Sorry to make you sad. It makes me sad to make someone with such an awesome username sad. :)

:tlol: Took me forever to come up with it... thanks!

I consider incompetent comic relief to be a sign of weak storytelling on the part of the writer. Not only does it make the heroes unnecessary, but it totally undermines the effectiveness of the villains.

This IS the OT TMNT we're talking about, so... yeah. Right on the money. :tlol:

I'm suprised Nicks version is getting so many votes. I find them way more entertaining than the brain dead OT versions. Perhaps nostalgia is why people like the OT over Nicks version.

I meant to vote the OT versions. For some reason I thought the question was "what's your favorite versions of Bebop and Rocksteady ?".
The reason is what some people have said in this thread. They are not dimwitted as the others were.