Ot/ modern toon crossover
 

So, it's confirmed that it is happening. What do you think? Is it a cheap idea? Is it kind of cliche after turtles forever? Post what you think about the crossover, what you hope for it, and what cannot happen in it. Should we include the 2003 turtles? Just, talk it out here I guess. I'm curious to see other peoples thoughts on this.

Probably better to just use the season 4 discussion thread...but I'm stoked for it.

Link to source then please.

It was confirmed during the NY Comic Con that there would be an episode where the Nick TMNT meet their 1987 counterparts complete with original cast.

They also had an animatic of part of that episode.

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Like the majority of this thread?

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I hope they don't make the turtles like 5 year olds in this. The were not like that in the ot. Turtles forever screwed it up.

Yeah, they were like 8 year olds in the show, they really messed that one up.

FW portrayed the FW Turtles relatively accurate, albeit slightly exaggerated to make contrast with the 2k3 Turtles and a limited run time with a movie that have 8 main characters and at the end 12 Turtles + all off the supporting characters.

The only thing pissing me off is that they're giving the 2003 show the cold shoulder. I NEED to see 2003 Chr'ell fight 2012 Shredder.

Who knows, maybe Ch'rell is the true mastermind behind this whole plot? I doubt it, but Splinter did say that he didn't think Ch'rell was gone for good at the end of Turtles Forever.

Makes me wonder though, the Fred Wolf Turtles have contrast with the Nick Turtles as well. If they don't, the crossover is just going to feel weird.

That'd make sense. Or if Krang created the Kraang from Ch'rell's and his own DNA.

Optimally, the crossovers should be FW / Nick and 4Kids / Nick. Gives 60 minutes to FW, and 60 minutes to 4Kids.

That's a big reason why I'm also angered by the cold shoulder. So at this point, I'd be happy with any kind of appearances from the 4Kids verse.

If a 4Kids / Nick crossover happens (huge if, but I'm going with the scenario), it could be about the older / younger dynamic. Nick Leo and Mikey look up to their 4Kids counterparts as soon as they learn about the 4Kids exploits ("Whoa, you won a huge tournament? And the rematch?"). But the 4Kids Turtles ain't perfect either, so it becomes a bit of a character journey to respect each other.

In the end, for example: 4Kids Leo learns to be a bit more open about himself and his hobbies from Nick Leo, while Nick Leo learns a little more about recovering from traumas from 4Kids Leo.

And in the end, they resolve to kick some Foot and Purple Dragon butt.

Back to the FW crossover - they need a new contrast though. Maybe contrast between the Turtles themselves? Clarke's straightforward Leonardo vs. Green's fanboy Leo? Paulsen's 4th-wally / sarcastic Raphael vs. Astin's violent Raph? Coleman's laidback Michaelangelo vs. Cipes' hyper Mike? And... okay, Forever already did a Don contrast. Got anything else on Gordon vs. Paulsen?

I hope the OT animation is better than in Wormquake. That one looks like it's made by cheap Flash software.... :tconfuse:

Oh wait. Their style for 2D animations are like that, judging from the tv shows the turtles watched (Space Heroes, Super Mecha Force Five (?) and Crognard the Barbarian).

Oh well. I hope the script is good. :D

From the look of the animatic, the OT turtles will be competent and sane this time, thankfully. Unlike turtles forever. :tgrumble:

Hey, I know! For this special, let's portray the 2k3 turtles and all dark and super-duper serious and gritty edgy ninjas who can't even laugh at a joke, and make mirage TMNT so dark and grim, that anytime there's laughter or fun or color or light, they curl up into little balls groaning and screaming in pain like fun is their kryptonite, and they start to go crazy if they have to go five minutes without killing something! That's why they live in a black and white world, and narrate and monologue to themselves like crazy people! :lol:

Don't call them Prime Turtles crazy. They're high functioning sociopath who practices ninjitsu. >.>

I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!

*The 4th TMNT cartoon is produced non union. When it crosses over with 4Kids, the Nick turtles are portrayed as bipolars. One moment serious, the next goofy. With sound-alike VA's.*

It's the circle of (TMNT) life!

I'm going to talk completely out of my rear and say that there's probably a lot of legal/executive reasons for 2k3 not being in here. Does 4kids still get money from sales of 2k3 tv shows?

That said, you do run the risk of overrunning the episode with characters. You already have 8 turtles, we've already hit the Rule of 7 and risk losing the audience by adding more. Perhaps we'll get a shout out, like the multiverse of turtles scene in Turtles Forever.

Link doesn't work and I meant to an official source.

I don't believe they receive royalties, if I remember correctly they were a complication with the license's sale. They had to be bought out for 10 million dollars & I think that left Viacom with a sour taste in their mouth about the 4kids series.

They also had the voice actors that weren't that familiar with who those characters actually were or how they acted. And the same goes with the production crew. They were familiar enough to know the 87 turtles were a bunch of goofballs and and such. But with the 4kids group, the 2k3 version of the Turtles were their babies and of course got the better treatment.

I mean originally the OT Turtles weren't really related. They saw each other as friends more then brothers. And they also habitually called themselves by their full names then shortenings I.E. Raph, Leo or affectionations of their names like Mikey instead of Mike, or how Don is sometimes called Donny or Raph is on rare occasions called Raphie.


So in Turtles Forever when one of the Turtles warns Raphael of danger coming his way you see both versions of Raph say "Thanks bro..." in response. And of course the OT Turtles affectionizing their names.



As far as this newer cross over, the OT Turtles could be a vehicle that can make it possible for the Turtles to encounter other versions of themselves. All it would take was for the OT Turtles to mention that they have encountered other versions of themselves before. The first time we saw the OT Turtles in this show it was only a small cameo in Manhattan project, this not only suggested that there were other dimensions where they existed. But it was testing the waters for the possibility of there being a cross over between the two worlds. So the next world the Turtles need to encounter is the Original Mirage, and possibly the 2k3 version.

For the record, I have challenged people who claim Turtles Forever was accurate to a scavenger hunt multiple times, asking them to point to examples of the Fred Wolf turtles in their actual series doing such things as breaking down and crying, obsessing with pizza as a whole, or Donatello saying science isn't all about facts, and the most any of them has been able to do in response is dodge the challenge by moving the goalpost to shaky claims like "they deserved it for how they bastardized Mirage" or "Their point was a meta condensation of all the 1987 show's comedic stupidity onto the Turtles themselves."

The first defense would be more compelling if it had been the Mirage Turtles playing the sane men and mocking the 1987 series, but they were barely there and if anything they were more misinterpreted than the Fred Wolf turtles during the brief moment that they were; instead, the show held up its own take on the series as the standard, when in fact, it had itself abandoned any loyalty it once had to the Mirage series for several years. Also, as Cheshire Cat Studios put well in their review, constantly saying "What the Shell" is arguably just as embarrassing as constantly referencing pizza, yet the movie never mocks that.

The second defense, that TF was a meta condensation of all the Wolfverse's silliness onto the Turtles themselves, does less to close the case and more to open the writers to scrutiny as to why they chose that approach, and furthermore, so far as I can recall it has never been sourced to the film's writers actually saying that was their goal. Absent any other evidence, I think what Occam's Razor suggests as the real reason they were so bad at adapting the 1987 series is because 4Kids was flat-out terrible at adapting things in general. If Peter Laird's leaked diaries are anything to go by, they'd have screwed up Mirage too and much earlier if not for him constantly supervising, and tellingly, when he left to work on the movie, they went right ahead and abandoned their source to throw random trendy crap at the wall in hopes it would stick. Adding credence to this is that TF's writing was just bad and senseless on many other levels, as well.

Of course, this show's writing isn't any glowing standard either, and it could be just as lame at adaptations. Right off the bat in the animatic, they have an arguable problem TF didn't have; its supposed Fred Wolf Turtles act more like the jackasses in the live-action movies, but it got right the ridiculous slapstick excuses for fighting they did for much of the series. Here, they fight no differently than the 2012 turtles, although for viewers who really, really hate slapstick fighting, that might be a forgivable inaccuracy.

Turtles Forever was great.

This can't be worse than turtles forever.

Seeing less and less people's opinion on crossover and more of why I like or hate Turtles Forever.

That aside I am actually looking forward to this crossover it seems like fun little thing.

Do we know specifically which season 4 episode it will be this time... or there hasn't been information on it yet? :ohwell:

Episode 13, I believe. Seems two part mid-season extravaganzas are the thing now. I dig.

Turtles Forever is trash, they are full of themselves by glorifying themselves being better than OT, at the expense of writing the OT turtles as retarded children.

Good riddance to 2k3, they deserve no more screen time. The Bishop cameo in Annihilation Earth is more than enough acknowledgement as it is, now let's just forget them forever(pun intended). :tcool: God is fair and just, 2k3 deserves it.

2k12 took inspirations and regarded OT highly, they have my respect.

The fact that you hate 2k3 and yet love the 2014 movie just baffles me.:roll:

Do you actually think the Fred Wolf cartoon is good? Beyond nostalgia I mean.

Speaking as someone who don't have any nostalgia for it, it's like The Room or Plan 9. It's not something you watch for it's merits, it's something you watch to make fun of it's flaws.

Interesting link! I hadn't heard an of that before, but it makes a lot of sense. Hence, why we have the "Magnificent Seven" as opposed to the "Elite 8." But when I think of multiple Turtle teams, I only think of all the characters in terms of duality. Basically, you have four characters being interpreted in two slightly different ways. So it's not hard for my brain to process multiverse as being only four characters, or... in a more symbolic sense... two characters, since I sometimes view the entire TMNT team as one complete character.

One of my favorite episodes from Teen Titans Go!

Turtles Forever depiction of the OT is an insult, the special got more wrong than right. The Nick show already showed more respect in their 1 minute appearance in Wormquake so I think they´ll do a great job. OT turtles are silly but not cowards nor stupid. Panda Khan makes a good analogy, if the 2k3 Turtles showed up in the Nick show being super gritty and dark who can´t laugh at a joke it would also be an insult to that show. I understand having a contrast and maybe exagerating a few characteristics but they went overboard.

I don´t get the hate for 2k3 though, it´s an amazing show and I hope they get some kind of cameo in the special. I understand why they´re not in the special, this is a crossover with the OT not a Turtle crossover movie but I definitely want a nod to the awesome 2k3 show and if they appear in the special then even better but it´s not necessary. Let´s hope crossovers become a tradition in every future cartoon. I remember being pissed since I thought Wormquake would be a full crossover and it was only a 1 minute scene, I felt I had been tricked by the early reports but I guess we´re finally getting it!

Turtles Forever was a lot of fun with great moments, but having the real original voices here almost makes this a better crossover by default.

I personally would have liked it if they weren't quite as heavy on emphasizing the silliness of the old show, though I do think some people had their nostalgia glasses on and forgot just how silly it was at times.

Which was a feature, not a bug.

This is all nonsense. Turtles Forever was a fantastic movie that acted as a series finale to the 2k3 series and gave us a great crossover. Aside from the crying scene which should have been axed, everything else was fine.

they gave you an official source it was announced at NYCC They even showed you storyboards of the scene

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Never liked Turtles forever or the 2003 series in general.

As a huge OT fan, I can't wait to see this!

So you don't like good writing? It wasn't just a good TMNT show, it was one of the best action-cartoons of the 2000's in general.

Oh that preview looks fantastic. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun

That animatic shows they're already respecting the OT turtles unlike TF. Anywho anyone remember the Turtles Forever tidbit that was revealed in the 4kids blog? It started with "I'm a reporter, april o neil" or whatever, that got me so hyped for TF, I'd love to hear it again, anyone have it?

Shell Yeah!