Do you think this show is going downhill?
 

I mean, Season 1 was great, Season 2 was fantastic, but something felt off about Season 3, and Season 4's all over the place right now.

No.

Anyway, this should have just been posted in the venting thread. We don't need another negative thread just to whine about aspects of the show, we already have a thread to do just that.

4 started strong, then a little meh as of late.

And yet you take issue with people venting and whining in a venting and whining thread.:lol:

Yes, the show has gone downhill ever since the original team left. There are a few good things through out but they're far and few between and lack consistency.

Personally I think it the last two seasons are stronger then the first two.

I just wanna know why the original team left.

Are they still in space? Then yes.

The first season was really the only season that I enjoyed. I don't know why I continue to watch every new episode. I don't really like the show that much. I'm mostly just curious to see what Nickelodeon will do with the franchise.

I don't think the show is going downhill, it's doing fine despite that they tend to take names of characters, and create something completely different with them, hence the Neutrinos, it's the only thing I have issues with, besides that the show has been great.

I'm not overly fond of this season to date so in my opinion yes.

However for me it was hard to match the high from season 3. Season 3 by far was my favorite season. I'm ready for this space non sense to be over.

No I don't think the show has gone downhill. I loved season 1 because it introduced me to the show and reintroduced the turtles' personalities. I loved the humour.

Overall I didn't like season 2. There was too much bad filler (don't mind filler as long as it's good) and the season seemed to really lack direction. They were supposed to be collecting canisters which was just an excuse for mutant of the week episodes.

I really enjoyed season 3. The season seemed to have more of a structure and goal than season 2. It wasn't just one random event and then another. I also enjoyed the filler episodes, especially since there weren't that many of them so I didn't become exasperated for the plot to continue. I think season 1 and 3 are my favourite seasons so far.

So far l'm also really enjoying the season 4 episodes in space. It's nice to get a change of scenery and allows for new experiences. At the moment I'm preferring it to the space episodes in 2k3 which seemed to drag on for me. I don't know what bothered me about it. It was probably because it happened after Shredder picked his head up off the ground and I wanted to get back to Shredder. I haven't disliked any of the episodes and I love the Fugitoid. I also like Mikey and April this season as well as the rest except Casey (maybe that's why I don't like season 2 :lol:)

Less downhill and more "sauntering slightly downward."

The things that were great about the show remain so: Animation, Voice Acting, Character design.

Things that were touch and go, have gotten more so: Storytelling episode to episode, overarching plot, general tone.

Season 1 was Fantastic, Seasons 2 and 3 were Great, except season 3 had a bad start. Season 4 seems to be the same as season 3,with the next two episodes sounding really good. The original team leaving really hurt the show.

This thread needs to be locked. Just a bunch of venting from disgruntled adults over a children's cartoon.

If that's the criteria for locking a thread, then the whole forum should be locked.

We have a venting thread already. This thread is the same thing.

Wrong, we already have a thread involving a similar thing though.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=53901

It's obvious he wants this locked because he doesn't want to hear what some have to say that isn't 100% positive.

Cubed, will you ever admit that the Fred Wolf show was deeply flawed and that the Nick cartoon has some serious issues? It's okay to still like them, but admit they have problems.

I don't know why. It's not like our criticism is going to get the show changed or cancelled.

Also the FW toon went 10 season so this one is definitely going to at least go 10 seasons. Right Cubed?

I think it's gone pretty far downhill.

I mean I loved season 1. It was outstanding. Half way through seaon 2 it was here it dropped off for me.

Mostly because they create story arcs that are really interesting and captivating only to just abandon them.

Like season 2 was supposed to be about collecting all the mutagen canisters. How many did they collect ? 1 or 2. Then it gets side tracked and the arc is gone. What ever hapened to the arc with timothy ? Gone. Squirrelanoids and the garbage man. Gone.

And don't even get me started on the Karai story arc. This is the only version of TMNT where I actually liked Karai. Then they make an amazing arc with her. Now that and she is gone.

Then there is the characters. All the characters I like have been killed off.
Bebop & Rocksteady, Snakeweed, Baxter Stockman, Xavier, The Punk Frogs, Mondo Gecko, Splinter, Karai etc. All gone.

I hate April, Kasey and Mikey in this version. Honestly wish they would at least kill off April and Kasey. Mikey is just straight up retarded in this series. It's like he just keeps getting dumber and dumber with each new version of TMNT. Eventually he'll just be some brain dead turtle they just wheel around on a hospital bed.

And April, jeez man. It seems like if there is ever a problem, April just has to put her fingers up to her head and boom. Problem all fixed thanks to her super stupid super powers. It's just so lame.

And Leo is just annoying now that Seth Green has taken over his voice. I dunno, I just don't dig his voice as leo.

And so now where only stuck with Donny, Raph and the Triceratons. Unless you like the Fugitoid, then there is him too. I never cared for the fugitoid myself.

The show just doesn't really have enough going for it any more I feel.

Then it has other problems. Like adding in old characters that don't need to be there. And are really only by name only. Like Hun/Bruce Lee. The Neutrinos that were really just little robots. Bishop. Who's design was just a lazy ill conceived Typical krang body. Lord Dregg... Where the hell is Mung ?

And then there are the hiatuses. Don't even get me started on those.
Crikey, the hiatuses alone are enough to make a person loose interest in this show.

I mean my nieces and nephew don't know anything about this show... Because it's never on. And the hiatuses are so long. It's long enough for children to completely forget about it. I mean with al the media stuff and tv shows, computer games etc in this day and age. Kids are not going to remember a show that only airs 2 or 3 episodes every 2 or 3 months.

The blast from the past special was awesome though. I really enjoyed that Special.

But ever since the writing staff from season 1 vanished, the episodes have just gone downhill. At least for me.

Basically, Lack of characters, Too many useless unnecessary characters, The abandonment of story arcs, too many fillers, Bad writing, The humor is dropping, Long hiatuses, poor character development issues. etc.

And like what the heck happened to the 80's turtle van they built. That disappeared.

And season 4. Wtf ? First episode. Oh Splinter got killed, the planet Earth got destroyed and sucked up into a black hole...

No problem. We'll just press this button over here and viola, it's all been undone. No worries. Good as new. Jeeze.

Personally I think it went downhill...I liked season 1....and the first parts of seasons 2...everything else...not at all.

You're talking about the same person who doesn't also acknowledge the 2k3 series had it's flaws. And I love 2k3. I just don't go around defending all it's issues and making it better than what it actually is.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. True true. :trazz:

People only claim this show went downhill because they made their own headcanons and fanfiction in their minds years ago and the show didn't go in the direction they wanted it too.

Also "lol" at people saying plotlines have been abandoned, when the show always calls back to old stuff.

Sorry, no. And stop trying to speak for me.

Oh you mean:

• The mind controlling of the Mutanimals and Raphael (surely didn't do anything with Karai that's for sure)
• The missing mutants from Metalhead Rewired, an episode from season 2 such as Spider Bytez and Snakeweed for example
• The frozen Mutagen Man (barring RCS, that's not consistent)
• The one off mutants like Malachi, the Punk Frogs, the horror mutants, and the Chimera to name a few
• How the Mutanimals formed (Slash missing, LH presumed dead, and Rockwell and Pete being MIA after Metalhead Rewired
• Kirby going MIA instead of prominent in season 2 like MM with his demutation and mutated state holding no value
• The mutagen canisters from season 2 (callbacks with Mondo do not count)

Please Cube, don't act like the criticism isn't warranted for the TMNT cartoons, as all of them have major flaws instead of being products of their creators or time. Callbacks do not make up for the fact of ignoring plotlines just to dive straight into action. It's contrivance in writing, destroys development, and is ridiculous of not assisting the characters.

And no, the reason fans get angry is because the writers repeat the exact details as before; go back to Raph being angry for no reason in Clash of the Mutanimals, Mikey's poor characterization in The Croaking, Donnie and April's romance going nowhere or any of the relationships for that matter. I'm certainly not asking for callbacks and call it a day, I want to see progress and as far as I'm concerned, the show has done absolutely nothing since (Insert season number here). The concepts are rushed and it's ultimately the downfall of the entire show.

I loved Season 1. Nothing really more to say there, it was just a really damn good show then and most people posting in this thread would agree with me. I actually liked Season 2 about as much as I liked Season 1. Maybe a little bit more. I dunno, something about it clicked with me. Maybe it was a little bit that it grew some balls and decided to do some really dark stories, with some nice silly ones to balance them out. That kinda happens to most shows when they're in their 2nd Seasons, I guess, but no reason to not like it. I really loved Season 2.

Season 3 is when things started to go downhill. And... really fast. I mean, you could almost hear the show shrivel and die when it showed us a wonderful second episode under the name "A Foot Too Big." You know, the episode where Bigfoot falls in love with Donatello and April acts like a huge attention-whore at the end. Yeah, I loved that one too. :roll: It was actually more of a roller-coaster of quality. There would be an onslaught of mediocre to terrible episodes, and then, all of a sudden, the show gets great out of nowhere. Rinse and repeat. I mean, Season 3 saw some classics like Tale of the Yokai, The Pig And The Rhino, Return to New York, Vision Quest, and, of course, Annihilation: Earth. But it also saw some real stinkers like A Foot Too Big, The Croaking, Eye of the Chimera (which was written by a writer I actually really respect. D'oh.), Meet Mondo Gecko, Battle for New York, Clash of the Mutanimals, and Turtles in Time. I'm serious, sometimes I would tell myself after seeing all those horrible episodes in a row, "One more bad episode and I'll stop watching this show", and next week we get an amazing episode. I won't say I loved Season 3 or hated Season 3. To me, it was just a huge mixed bag.

Season 4, though... oh my god. Out of 6 episodes, I have only actually enjoyed ONE so far. And they probably destroyed their animation budget to even bring it. And heck, the writing was just kind of okay for that episode. I don't know WHERE the hell people are coming from with this whole thing "Season 4's making the show get better." No, it's gotten FAR worse. It's not so much the space setting, it's definitely not the animation, which I swear is up to Dreamworks quality at this point. It's damn near everything else. The new characters introduced (besides the Fugitoid, of course) have been bland as hell. Mona Lisa, Armaggon, hell, even Lord Dregg, a villain I was VERY excited to see in this new show, is underdeveloped as hell, and is only really going after the Turtles because they made him drop something on accident. Yeah. That's why he's traveling the galaxies, paying bounty hunters and all kinds of crazy sh*t over him DROPPING something. The writing is also not that sharp... at all. At times, it feels like the story doesn't even know what to do with itself. And obviously the comedy has become nonexistent. Hell, Casey doesn't even have a POINT of existing in this arc, and yet here he is, more annoying and tacked on than ever.

So do I think the show is going downhill? Definitely. There's a huge chance that Season 4 will pull itself together around halfway through, but at this point, the only reason I'm still sticking around is to see the OT crossover that was confirmed at SDCC. But this show's gone from amazing to great to mediocre to just cringey. But that's my silly personal opinion.

Yeah it sucks.

Here we go. This is why this thread should have been locked from the start. Anyhoo let us begin:

1. This was a one-episode plot that failed so Shredder moved on. A bunch of fans deluded themselves into thinking there was going to be this "Dark Raphael" story arc because of their own headcanons, when this was never intended. A perfect example what I'm talking about.

Uh, what? How is this a problem? There are tons of mutants on the loose in New York and the Turtles bump into them from time to time.

They're probably leaving him frozen toward the end of the show in case they come up with a story for Mutagen Man again.

Again, what is the problem here? The Punk Frogs went down south and are friends with the Turtles. Malachi is a good guy. Almost all the horror mutants died or are captured (The Creep is in Donnie's jar, April's Mom blew up, the Dream Beavers are mystical, the car mutant blew up, the giant bird is the only one around).

And there is a Nick comic that shows how the Mutanimals were formed. Read the Nick animated comics.

??? This isn't a plothole, you're just bringing up random stuff now. Kirby-bat flew around New York. New York is a big city. Turtles found him and turned him back to normal.

Again, what? The random mutagen canisters is exactly why random mutants keep popping up. This was done to make sense of all the random mutants they could introduce. The Turtles were never going to be able to retrieve every mutagen canister, do you not know how big NYC is? All the Season 2 and some of the Season 3 mutants] were because of this. THIS WAS THE PLOT OF SEASON 2.

I'm still puzzled how you think you have any authority as to what should be locked.

The OP is asking a simple question. And we all are giving our simple answers. Once again, you just don't want to hear anything negative even when people are being constructive and rational in expressing their discontent with how the show is being currently directed. Why should this thread be locked when everyone but you is being civil in the conversation?

We have a venting thread stickied. What does this one accomplish?

I'm just gonna ignore Cubed. It's clear he's in denial.

Season 1 was great. It really picked up after Episode 9, and it stayed that way all the way through.

The reason why I like Season 2 more than Season 1 is because of the stand-out episodes, and I didn't mind the filler ones. Slash and Destroy, The Invasion, Vengeance is Mine, Wormquake, etc... those were some great episodes. But now, looking back, it kinda sucks that they don't have any repercussions.

The only episodes I really, really enjoyed from Season 3 were Tale of the Yokai and Annihilation: Earth. The rest were just bad/mediocre. The reason why was because they had SO MANY arcs they had to wrap up (Leo's injury, the team's defeat/depression, etc.) and they didn't do any of that. They just ignored it and it's never even mentioned.

Season 4, though... Good. ****ing. God. I can't take it. There are so many hiatuses and we haven't even gotten a good episode yet. It took them FIVE EPISODES to even begin to think of a way to advance the plot. I was expecting a fast-paced first half with Dregg after the Turtles, but nope, freak of the week. Every episode is filler.

Everything I'm hearing about Season 5 seems like crap, too. An episode with Dracula? The hell?

Given that the premise is Yes or No, it's already different than the Venting thread.

So stop watching the show then.

Season 3 had tons of fantastic episodes, even if you didn't care for the Northampton arc, everything from when they got back to NY was good, great or above average. The only ep I didn't care for was the one Snakeweed merged with the Creep.

ONLY SIX EPISODES of Season 4 have aired. SIX! Out of a 26 episode season!

And how are the episodes filler? The Triceratons, Dregg, Armaggon are not filler. I'd only say the Wyrm episodes and arguably the Bellybomb ep were filler and they were funny/silly episodes on purpose.

Season 1 was great because it's what started the show, and we had some enjoyable episodes. Season 2, I thought, was even better. Yes, I admit. It did have a lot of filler, but it was good filler. I especially loved episodes like "Invasion of the Squirrelnoids" and "Fungus Humongous." Season 3 started a little rocky with good episodes here and there ("Eye of the Chimera"), but a few bad ones, too ("A Foot Too Big"). Once "Vision Quest" was over, the show really came back for me. The rest of Season 3 was solid, and that was thanks to episodes like "Tales of the Yokai" and "Annihilation Earth" - that was a killer finale.

So far, season 4 feels absolutely weak in writing. It has it's high points - Armmagon, Leo hugging Raph, Fugitoid's portrayal, and flashy space battles. However, it comes off like Star Wars: The Force Awakens. It brings in a fun factor, but there's nothing there. Even April is starting to remind me of Rey - with all her powers, why need the turtles if she could probably stop the Triceratons herself? I don't know about you, but keep Star Wars out of TMNT.

The majority of Season 4 right now feels somewhat soulless. It's become less consistent and more juvenile; it is starting to feel like a typical Nickelodeon series. Whenever they lose creativity, they resort to the elements that make every one of their programs: fun, insults, dumb acts/characters, constant action, and potty humor to the max. There's been potty humor on this show, but this season, it's gotten worse. Seriously, "Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind" had that guy who just kept farting and burping. I'm sorry. Where is Ciro? Do we really need this? Also, the scene where Mike barfs - Really?

I will keep watching in hopes it will get better, and maybe it will. However, I haven't been too thrilled with this season.

If this thread had it's own tag, I would so be down for a 'cubedindenial' tag.:lol:

Armaggon's episode didn't establish anything but a new adversary for the Turtles.
4x01 doesn't count as filler because, well, it's a premiere. But it's more filler than some of the other premieres.
And the Triceratons have been handled poorly all season. Mostly as secondary antagonists rather than the primary ones. Hell, even Dregg isn't the primary one.

And 6 out of 26 have aired, yeah... That's not helping their case. Competent writers would be able to have a great first 6 episodes and set everything up.

So I'm baffled what your complaint is? The Triceratons have been the primary story arc of Season 4. Of course they're not going to be in every single episode, but they're in many of them as well as the very next episode (if you seen the preview) they are in the Tri-arena.

Lord Dregg was brought up again in the Bellybomb episode. He's tracking the Turtles.

What do you want, exactly? The Turtles will be in space for 13 episodes.

I agree with you on April. We should start a thread discussing if April is turning into a Mary Sue.