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CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 08:42 AM

MCU Future Possibilities
 
What new franchise that hasn't yet been confirmed/teased (AKA Inhumans) would you like to see in Phase Four?

Are there even that many viable characters left who haven't already gotten the big or small screen treatment who could carry a film or show?

Krutch 04-18-2016 09:01 AM

I'm in the minority that would like to see no Phase Four, personally. Conclude with Infinity War Part 2 and then pump out solo, team up, or animated movies for a long while until they have a new idea. I don't mean that as a slight, either. I just feel like they should go out on top, and the Infinity War is something that's been teased since the beginning, so, it makes sense to go out on this. Just my opinion, of course.

Buuuuut more in line with your question, I don't know.. I mean I guess all the Spider-Man business is back on the table now, so there's that. I'd still love to see Carnage happen(I know he's a one dimensional character, but in an ocean of grey-area Marvel villains, I find his one note track of mind is refreshing!).

Other than that?... Spider-Woman or Namor, I guess.

TonySiegel 04-18-2016 09:08 AM

Ms. Marvel
Namor
Fantastic Four
Captain Britain
Secret Wars (might be to similar to infinity war)
Marvel Zombies (Yea right Disney lol)

sdp 04-18-2016 09:19 AM

I already think many characters who can't carry a movie by themselves have gotten one. Think back to comics and cartoons, even in those mediums its difficult to have every hero have their own show/solo comic and all Marvel is doing is confusing audiences with so many characters, especially since everyone now expects to see them in the Avengers even if they really don't belong there like it'll be the case with Dr. Strange and others. They're also trying to shove decades of continuity into single movies, I get that there's a lot of history to cover but you don't have to tell everything, why couldn't this Avengers trilogy be about the main 5 heroes? Why introduce so many new members in each movie? I definitely think MCU should've taken a slower approach to things.

Have these characters be like James Bond, so when you lose RDJ or other actors because they're too old or expensive the franchise can continue instead of trying to do everything at once and kill them off. They should only have a few big heroes have their own movies, instead of giving Ant-Man or others a movie why not only have one "wild card" solo film every once in a while and instead have an "Adventures in the MCU" movie where all these B/C-list characters can show off who they are and the stand outs can test the waters in their "wild card" solo films. The way things are going now is just not sustainable in the long term and while Disney/Marvel are getting plenty of money it's all going to crash and who knows if they'll continue it after that. I mean I like superheroes and I'm definitely overwhelmed by all the movies and I'm geekier than the average person.

So to not go too off topic, I want less for the future of MCU but its all rampant speculation until we know what Marvel plans to do with Phase 3 and their two part Avengers Infinity Wars movie. I'm guessing they plan on going big there killing off a few characters and whatnot and have it be sort of a reboot so its hard to say what you want to see if you don't know what's going to happen in the next three years worth of movies. I actually think MCU geeks are more excited about stuff being announced than the actual movies, I mean they already announced movies up to 2019 and that's not counting GotG3 which is post Phase 3. Why not speculate what is happening right now and the movies coming out in the next 3 years instead of what will happen in 4+?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 09:54 AM

Well I for one find it fascinating to see Marvel Studios "scrape the bottom of the barrel", if you will.

And considering so many of their best villains and events have extremely strong ties to properties that are still "hands off", (Magneto, Skrulls, Doom, Kang) and how many characters have been vastly underutilized (Ultron, Scarlet Witch)...

It does make one wonder how they can realistically continue the hype and excitement, especially if they end the Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor franchises after Phase III. I'm sure Feige and company have a couple of different options planned out (one of which is surely trying to get back their Fantastic Four rights so that they can access those villains)...

NinjaPug 04-18-2016 10:05 AM

I wish they could get the rights to Skrulls so they could do a Secret Invasion storyline throughout Phase 4.

They're bringing in the characters I really wanted in Phase 3 (Black Panther, Wasp, Captain Marvel) so hopefully they'll continue with their stories in the next phase.

I'd also like to see a BuckyCap movie once Evans hangs it up for good.

ProactiveMan 04-18-2016 10:07 AM

They can't use Galactus can they? That's a pisser.

Krutch 04-18-2016 10:14 AM

With Spidey finally in the mix now, I'm sure he'll be the face of the MCU after Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor bow out.

Even if they have to share him with Sony.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ProactiveMan (Post 1570242)
They can't use Galactus can they? That's a pisser.

Not until they cut some sort of deal with Fox for the FF rights... as they've tried to do, even as recently as in exchange for letting them keep Daredevil.

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Originally Posted by Krutch (Post 1570245)
With Spidey finally in the mix now, I'm sure he'll be the face of the MCU after Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor bow out.

Even if they have to share him with Sony.

As long as Sony doesn't screw it up again, of course. :twink:

Spike Spiegel 04-18-2016 10:29 AM

She-Hulk.

After the success of Deadpool, the MCU could use a humorous character, and John Byrne's work on the character made her the very first fourth wall breaking superhero.

Chabrendeki 04-18-2016 11:40 AM

Hmm, let's see:

Caiera, Miek, Brood, Elloe Kaifi, Skee, Hiroim and Korg.

:roll:

Andrew NDB 04-18-2016 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1570235)
I'm sure Feige and company have a couple of different options planned out (one of which is surely trying to get back their Fantastic Four rights so that they can access those villains)...

Yeah, totally. And right now the road into Phase III and Infinity War, they're not too concerned about it. I'm betting they're betting that they can work something out with Fox between now and the end of that... just in time for them to have Galactus show up in the mid-credits scene of Infinity War Part 2.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1570290)
Yeah, totally. And right now the road into Phase III and Infinity War, they're not too concerned about. I'm betting they're betting that they can work something out with Fox between now and the end of that... just in time for them to have Galactus show up in the mid-credits scene of Infinity War Part 2.

That's my guess as well. They've let it become public knowledge that they absolutely WANT (like, Gollum's "My precioussss" levels of want) Galactus and Silver Surfer.

I'm still convinced that those X-Men TV series Legion and Hellfire Club will eventually be outed as part of that FF deal.

Andrew NDB 04-18-2016 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1570293)
That's my guess as well. They've let it become public knowledge that they absolutely WANT (like, Gollum's "My precioussss" levels of want) Galactus and Silver Surfer.

I'm still convinced that those X-Men TV series Legion and Hellfire Club will eventually be outed as part of that FF deal.

Yep, there is no good reason otherwise for Marvel to allow those two series to exist whatsoever when they're knee-deep in establishing their own TV universe.

I'd almost be willing to bet there already is a deal... Marvel (apart from possibly ironing out final details) just wants to maximize the "WTF?!! OMG!!!" factor, similar to how we felt when we saw Thanos after the credits of Avengers 1. Though this might -- literally and figuratively -- be bigger. Galactus (which, in turn, brings in movies for Silver Surfer and the Fantastic Four) could string people along for Phase IV, V, and maybe even VI.

Redeemer 04-18-2016 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Krutch (Post 1570221)
I'm in the minority that would like to see no Phase Four, personally. Conclude with Infinity War Part 2 and then pump out solo, team up, or animated movies for a long while until they have a new idea. I don't mean that as a slight, either. I just feel like they should go out on top, and the Infinity War is something that's been teased since the beginning, so, it makes sense to go out on this. Just my opinion, of course.

Buuuuut more in line with your question, I don't know.. I mean I guess all the Spider-Man business is back on the table now, so there's that. I'd still love to see Carnage happen(I know he's a one dimensional character, but in an ocean of grey-area Marvel villains, I find his one note track of mind is refreshing!).

Other than that?... Spider-Woman or Namor, I guess.

I would love to see Carnage as well for the same reasons. Hell I would like to see Venom, bc that crap pile known as Spider-man 3 was not Venom

AT-Man 04-18-2016 12:04 PM

Phase 4 should definitely begin with a Fantastic Four movie. I don't think the actors should be just replaced with younger versions like James Bond, but only if absolutely necessary. Rather kill the character off and introduce a new one.

turtlefanforever 04-18-2016 12:07 PM

Anything Hulk related
 
She-Hulk, red hulk, a-bomb, The leader.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1570297)
Yep, there is no good reason otherwise for Marvel to allow those two series to exist whatsoever when they're knee-deep in establishing their own TV universe.

I'd almost be willing to bet there already is a deal... Marvel (apart from possibly ironing out final details) want to maximize the "WTF?!! OMG!!!" factor, similar to how we felt when we saw Thanos after the credits of Avengers 1. Though this might -- literally and figuratively -- be bigger. Galactus (which, in turn, brings in movies for Silver Surfer and the Fantastic Four) could string people along for Phase IV, V, and maybe even VI.

Also agreed. I think the deal already happened, and Marvel will make the big "rights acquired" announcement closer to the end of Phase III.

They've been playing hardball with Fox for years now... they don't just wave their hands and turn a blind eye to X-Men TV without getting something THEY want in return. And we all know what they want.

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Originally Posted by AT-Man (Post 1570301)
Phase 4 should definitely begin with a Fantastic Four movie. I don't think the actors should be just replaced with younger versions like James Bond, but only if absolutely necessary. Rather kill the character off and introduce a new one.

Marvel's already said, by way of Feige and possibly even Downey, that they will indeed go the Bond route. Makes more sense, honestly.

Andrew NDB 04-18-2016 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1570304)
Marvel's already said, by way of Feige and possibly even Downey, that they will indeed go the Bond route. Makes more sense, honestly.

I kind of wish there's an in-story explanation. Like, when they're fighting Thanos, RDJ Iron Man swoops in, raises his visor and says, "I hope this works! If not, it's been fun, guys!" then makes an end-run at Thanos... gets hit by a beam from the Time Gem or something on his gauntlet, hits the ground... and raises his visor and now he's younger and a different actor. Know what I mean?

CyberCubed 04-18-2016 12:33 PM

How many more movies are the current actors willing to be around for? Certainly RDJ is going to retire as Iron man soon. I think the Marvel movie universe will end within the next few years, especially if all their key actors don't want to return or do it anymore.

Its also not as simple as recasting The Hulk, you can't replace Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc. as easily.

Andrew NDB 04-18-2016 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1570315)
How many more movies are the current actors willing to be around for? Certainly RDJ is going to retire as Iron man soon. I think the Marvel movie universe will end within the next few years, especially if all their key actors don't want to return or do it anymore.

Its also not as simple as recasting The Hulk, you can't replace Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc. as easily.

Yeah, not the same at all. RDJ is like the face of the MCU, and Iron Man is the flagship character. Nothing would be lamer than quietly recasting him between movies.

Krutch 04-18-2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1570304)
Marvel's already said, by way of Feige and possibly even Downey, that they will indeed go the Bond route. Makes more sense, honestly.

Source? That'll be interesting when it happens, I guess.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Krutch (Post 1570320)
Source? That'll be interesting when it happens, I guess.

I've read it a few times, but I'm not gonna even try to find those old articles. :trazz: Try going through Screenrant's archives... that's where I read most of my movie news articles.

The Deadman 04-18-2016 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1570315)
How many more movies are the current actors willing to be around for? Certainly RDJ is going to retire as Iron man soon. I think the Marvel movie universe will end within the next few years, especially if all their key actors don't want to return or do it anymore.

Its also not as simple as recasting The Hulk, you can't replace Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc. as easily.

Yes you can lol. That's like saying you can't recast Wolverine because Hugh Jackman perfected that role but it's going to happen eventually. Actors playing the same role time after time can get stale and boring after a while.

CyberCubed 04-18-2016 01:56 PM

Nobody will care about Iron Man after RDJ retires. He'll go back to being a third tier hero nobody knows about.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1570339)
Nobody will care about Iron Man after RDJ retires. He'll go back to being a third tier hero nobody knows about.

Pretty sure a lotta people said the same about Batman. Or Professor X. Or Hulk. Well, not necessarily the "third tier" bit. :tlol:

CyberCubed 04-18-2016 02:02 PM

The Avengers were all nobodies outside of comic book fans. Spiderman and the X-men were the only really popular Marvel superheroes until these movies came out.

NinjaPug 04-18-2016 02:03 PM

Why would RDJ want to retire? He gets $40 million plus backend profits to make quips and have a suit CGI'd on him.

If they are making a movie with a young Han Solo that isn't Ford then they can reboot the Iron Man franchise without RDJ at some point down the line. People love the Iron Man character now - not just RDJ playing him.

CyberCubed 04-18-2016 02:12 PM

RDJ has a huge fanbase, bigger than Iron Man himself.

GoldMutant 04-18-2016 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1570346)
The Avengers were all nobodies outside of comic book fans. Spiderman and the X-men were the only really popular Marvel superheroes until these movies came out.

....Really?

Iron-Man- maybe (unless you watched the earlier cartoons, especially Spider-Man: The Animated Series or his own 90's show)

Ant-Man- agreed

Hulk- highly disagree, he's had his movie before MCU, the Bill Bixby show, and several cartoons as well

Captain America- the name is known, but people aren't familiar. Kind of a mixture of some know while others don't.

Black Widow- agree

Wasp- agree

I might not be a comic reader, but a portion of the Avengers are identifiable from cartoons, the average to bad direct to DVD films, or in Hulk's case, a show people remember. Even with the obscure United They Stand, a show based on the West Coast Avengers aimed for toy merchandise, a good portion are known to the public even before the MCU came along.
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Now then, as for people I want as of now:
  • She Hulk (I'm unsure on the films rights for Hulk, but if Ross becomes Red Hulk in Civil War, it'd be hard. Especially because Hulk hasn't been properly executed standalone wise)
  • Namor
  • Power Pack (since reading on them, I've been dying for them to be used)
  • Kraven (the one Spider-Man villain I want to be used)

CyberCubed 04-18-2016 02:19 PM

I was always aware who they were in the 90's, but I never cared to see anything of them. Until the movies. 90's fans are different than 2000's fans.

Spiderman and X-men were popular in the 90's because of the cartoons. As was Batman.

Andrew NDB 04-18-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaPug (Post 1570347)
Why would RDJ want to retire? He gets $40 million plus backend profits to make quips and have a suit CGI'd on him.

It's not that he wants to retire... it's that Marvel probably -- very understandably -- doesn't want to continue paying him more and more amounts of money than God with every new appearance.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1570357)
It's not that he wants to retire... it's that Marvel probably -- very understandably -- doesn't want to continue paying him more and more amounts of money than God with every new appearance.

This right here.

NinjaPug 04-18-2016 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1570349)
RDJ has a huge fanbase, bigger than Iron Man himself.

I don't agree with this. After years of drug issues, RDJ became relevant again in the public eye after playing Tony Stark. He has grown in popularity since that time just as the Iron Man character has. It's been a mutually beneficial relationship for RDJ and Marvel.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaPug (Post 1570365)
I don't agree with this. After years of drug issues, RDJ became relevant again in the public eye after playing Tony Stark. He has grown in popularity since that time just as the Iron Man character has. It's been a mutually beneficial relationship for RDJ and Marvel.

So far since coming back, he's played Tony Stark, British Tony Stark (Sherlock Holmes), and nothing else that huge. Tropic Thunder, sure it's funny. The Soloist was gut-wrenching but I doubt any of you have seen it.

Face it, RDJ plays Tony Stark and doesn't really have a hell of a lot else going on. How many of you went and saw The Judge? I didn't. RDJ needs to film Sherlock Holmes 3 for me. :tlol:

TheSkeletonMan939 04-18-2016 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1570366)
RDJ needs to film Sherlock Holmes 3 for me. :tlol:

They're apparently working on a script for that.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 04-18-2016 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939 (Post 1570371)
They're apparently working on a script for that.

They've been working on that script for about as long as I've been married. :trazz:

The Deadman 04-18-2016 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1570339)
Nobody will care about Iron Man after RDJ retires. He'll go back to being a third tier hero nobody knows about.

I bet you said nobody would care about Batman anymore after the Clooney film and...well...

CyberCubed 04-18-2016 04:41 PM

Batman was always popular in cartoons regardless of the movies. The Avengers were largely unknown outside of comic book fans to your average person back then.

Batman is the #1 most popular superhero and he's always been around. Back in 1997 when Batman and Robin came out in theaters, the Batman: TNBA cartoon was airing on TV and having crossovers with Superman: TAS.

NinjaPug 04-18-2016 04:48 PM

Iron Man has pretty much reached that level now so saying no one will care about the character when RDJ hangs it up isn't accurate. The character is an A-lister now.


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