This is how I think Irma is useful.
 

1. This time in 2012 cartoon Irma represents a smart girl, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show.
2. for a history that's missing women with great intelectual talents and achievements than men who are massively represented worldwide.
3. for nowdays for men, when they appear smart, they think that a girl not yet appearing as much smart, the man thinks it is actually normal for a girl being dumber, and dumber than men. If she is smart then that's not ordinary or wrongfully thought to be rare.


She's pretty, she's nor dumb nor stereotyped ugly nerd overall. She's different now. Irma-the-awesome 2012 .

Irma doesn't exist she is a robotic shell for the Kraang.

Autbot_Benz, if she exists, she is useful.

Off topic, but I, as well, think the same way with <<Big hero 6>>.
Reason again: It represents smart children, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show. Also various race involved.

... Uh, ticktack, how many episodes have you watched? We've known since the end of season two that Irma was an android body for Kraang Sub-Prime. In addition to that, any notion of there being a "real" Irma was smashed when it turned out Sub-Prime stole the design from the Utrom council member Rook.

If they were to re-employ Irma as a character and April's friend, the best way to go about it would be for Rook to claim the part - maybe even letting April and the others call her Irma "just because". Granted, "Irma" would still be an interdimensional alien, but she would be more authentic than SubPrime was.

Irma was only ever a disguise, and as much as that sucks, that's just the way it happened. Tumblring around that twist is not going to change that.

Hmmm...that's nice and all, but she's dead...in fact 'Irma' never existed. :ohwell:

I thought that was kinda established a while ago, Tick.

You've got the attention of René Descartes, I'm sure.

Irma isn't needed as a role model to children. Children know the difference between the real world and fiction. I know plenty of pretty and smart girls. Girls tend to do better in school than boys and that's not a case of girls being smarter than guys. It's merely just girls working hard and applying themselves to a subject. For a lot of girls they see their intelligence as part of their identity and they like to live up to it. In a similar way to weight. If a girl doesn't feel smart, she feels worse about herself. If a girl does badly in school it tends to affect them more than guys.

If anything it's the guys who need more male role models who are smart and aren't made fun of for being smart. Guys tend to want to be athletic and have a good time with friends. They want to be laid back about it. Guys just seem to have a way of getting by without doing much. In the end I know plenty of smart guys and girls. Back in my school year we all knew who the smartest person in the class was and it was a girl. No guy felt smarter or superior to her and I've never come across a guy that made me feel like that. I honestly don't know where this stuff comes from or people just accept this as the truth for some reason to make it seem like women aren't being treated the same as men so people can still say there's a lack of gender equality. Of course I'm speaking in general terms and not all guys and girls are the same. There are plenty of girls who are only in college for a good time and partying and don't care about exams as long as they pass. Just like there are guys who do work hard and achieve the best that they possibly can.

I just can't fathom why people keep clinging onto this character. Okay she was smart but she was also annoying. She never added anything to the story. She was just the friend who didn't do anything. Making her Subprime was probably the best use of the character. It was nice to know that April had a friend at school but she has Casey now so she's not alone. It's not as if the show's about April anyway. I just don't feel that it's necessary to have an extra character that doesn't do anything but takes up time just to reach some gender quota.

I absolutely agree; I don't even see how she was "nerdy", besides the way she dressed and wore glasses. Intelligence is not synonymous with nerdiness, and she only had her intelligence because she was just a disguise for SubPrime.
Sure, there are some flaws with the reveal, like how he was spying on her before the time was right, but it would have been the plan all along.

My big issue with the SubPrime Was Irma All Along is that April was never given the chance to deal with it. She was never able to eventually come down to the point where she could be upset that her friend had been a spy the whole time. And considering the female friendship, she probably told Irma-SubPrime a lot of...personal information that he would never be able to cleanse from his mind. Naturally, this would be embarrassing for April as well.

Srmff, We don't live under gender quota, in fact we live getting inspired. ;)

And he's got mine. Actually, what are you trying to tell me? :D I'm curious. ^_^
P.S. Text me.

Want my opinion? Rook is probably created to be a mix of the trope categories, "Author's Saving Throw", and "Take That Audience".

I think ticktack is an alcoholic.

But Irma dones not exist in this series. It was only a Utrom robot and nothign more. Howver ther can be another girl character i mean a new girl character similar to Irma on season 5 or at the end of season 4. Just because Irma dont exist dosent mean that they can not have another character simialr to her.

There was, nor is, anything inspiring about Irma. Sure she was smart and made snarky comments, but that was about it. If they kept her that would've been neat- but they didn't and it's been, what-? A year or two now? :roll:

She was cool and all but, I really can't fathom how she was inspirational considering we only saw her for a few minutes in like five or so episodes save for the season 2 finale and the Ghost episode. Sorry, Tick, but I don't follow you on this.

It's still not known if there is a human Irma who the Kraang later decided to disguise at. A Kraang inside a robot would for example smash the Ratking's cage.

I think that it was revealed that the utrom named Rook came up with the design and that Subprime stole her design. That would mean that it wasn't based on any person since she came up with the design herself. I could be wrong though.

Oh good grief, how many times is this show gonna prove to you people that Irma wasn't real in the first place?? :roll:

She's robot, end of story. Accept it and move on.

But she was planned to be human in the first place, and Ciro and Auman hinted that they might bring her back

Ciro also said we'd get the story of how Raph got that crack on his plastron. What's your point?

And when the heck was it ever stated Irma was originally planned to be human in this show???

Like a lot of their statemenats, I'm gonna have to call ******** on that.

The statement about Irma originally being human involved them changing their minds after getting feedback from viewers, but one of the earliest storyboards shown from that season was from Pizza Face, so chances are that the finale was already in production before season 2 aired.

And even if they did say they were thinking of bringing back a human version of the character, they clearly went with another Utrom instead.

There was a disguise to keep up.
But one should also remember when Irma was at a control panel in the very same episode and "accidentally" killed a bunch of rats.


They did bring Irma back...as Rook. Rook is the best anyone is going to get for a "real" Irma.

LET IT GO! :oops:

no they didn't she is a shell for the utrom GET OVER IT

I feel like this thread started already in the middle of a conversation...


Anyhow. It would have been interesting to see how this Irma played out as a human character, but I like the clever twist they added by bringing Utrom into it with a good one being the original Irma android owner, and presumably a female Utrom alongside Queen. Surely we'll be seeing them again as the Turtles continue to try to get rid of the Kraang.

The question now is why Rook decided to make a robot that looks like a human teenage girl if she didnt know how human girls look like? Where did she took the idea of Irma robot apperance? Rook must have see some girls on earth and decided to create a robot that looks like one of them.

And why she just happens to have two bodies that are just slightly different colors from each other. Unless she built the second one after Subprime stole the first.

Yeah, I've wondered about that as well, why they look human. Would have made sense if they were all on Earth at one point and the Utroms broke off and left when the Kraang went bad, but not sure that is, or even could be, the case if the Kraang came already with the intention of mutating Earth to their needs.

(Although the somewhat malfunctioning French stereotype android has me more confused. lol)


If Nick wants to just really twist it up further... bring the Utrom to Earth, have it turn out that Rook is indeed female and young as far as Utrom aging goes, and make it that she's genetically related to the alien part of April, so now April and Utrom Irma/Rook can be BFFs. lol

No, relatives.

Uuu-huh. ``

I am down for that so hard

Earth and humanity
 

The Kraang claimed to have arrived on Earth using their mutagen on monkeys speeding up evolution millions of years ago. Maybe just something they said, but they still seem to know much of Earth and humanity.

I'm afraid you're going to have to face the fact that Irma in this series is indeed a robotic suit for the Utrom/Kraang. There really is no need to look further into this. She was never real and will never be in human form. This show is different from the OT and she really won't add anything to the series at this point.

human Irma
 

Since this is a well-known TMNT forum, there is some chance producers are reading here right now, notice all complainments and decide to introduce a human Irma.

Source?

I refuse to believe without evidence.

If she'd been planned to be a Kraang, it would probably happen earlier.

Don't be foolish. First off, they already know about the vocal minority, but that's what y'all are; a minority. Secondly, they're hounded about it all the God-damn time on Instagram, & that is exactly why she has been made out to be a mere robot, not once, but twice. 'Cause y'all are annoying as hell & deserve a bait & switch. :tlol:

That's a damn shame.

The show could have used another female character.