With OotS a failure, what's next for TMNT films?
 

With TMNT: OotS a financial dud, it is highly unlikely there will be a second sequel to the 2014 "film." That said, it is also unlikely that Viacom/Paramount would just sit on the the franchise with films or sell them to another studio.

What do you think will happen with the next film?

If they were smart they'd balance IDW with Nick, like the Barron film did with OT and Mirage. A man can dream, a man can dream.

EDIT: Wait hold it I should really specify which season of Nick I mean. Season 1 season 2 is where I started to lose interest and I skipped a good chunk of season 3 I still don't think I've watched all of northhampton.

Fingers crossed for Mirage. If Batman can escape Adam West era, then TMNT can do this!

Realistically? Any attempt to make another one will happen between 2021-2036, long enough for OotS to be forgotten but not so long the franchise itself will be forgotten, but most likely closer to 2021 than 2036.

Considering Viacom was (I hope, but I question it a bit) trying to aim towards children with the last two, another attempt at making a TMNT might be another animated feature. Let me tell you what OotS might have been a bit easier to sit through if it was cartoon rather than cartoonish. Although if they do that, they're probably abandoning the idea of an adult audience but who really cares?

They might do another live-action movie but that is probably going to happen later than if they'd make an animated one.

Trying to make the "Fred Wolf cartoon: The movie" turned out to be... Not be such a great move from either a criticalal or financial stand point and the producers might learn from that. However, TMNT has been for kids for such a long time now we won't get an accurate adaptation of the Mirage comics, even if they tried that we'd probably end up with something much closer to 4Kids than Mirage and we all know what the OP of this thread would think of that...

Bottom line, the possibilities I'm seeing are:

1. Something mostly original.
2. Something in between all the different versions like what IDW is doing,

I know that's short after all I wrote but the only other possibilities are another FW-centric movie (which they might not want to try after the OotS fiasco) or another kiddified Mirage adaptation like what 4Kids did (which I doubt will happen but for different reasons).

The trouble is, it took a Christopher Nolan to do that for Batman and I'm not sure there's a Christopher Nolan out there for TMNT, or even if there were that Paramount/Viacom would trust them with the keys to TMNT.

Oof. I think Burton's first crack at it in 89 is what did it. Even Returns is pretty decent and holds up well. Then, yes we had to deal with Schumacher... and Bane.

I HOPE there is a Nolan out there somewhere just waiting and able. I have faith.

Andrew, do you know what the difference between Batman and TMNT is? Batman may dress silly but he's still a human being, very few people are ever going to take mutant turtles in Zorro masks seriously enough to accept a Nolan style movie based around them.

That might work for a comic book where a niche is catered to but too many people are going reject the notion of a gritty movie about the TMNT for that to ever be considered.

I didn't say I think it would happen. But it could. And it doesn't need a gigantic budget to take a risk on.

I think they'll have some sketchy Asian company fund another sequel, like they just did.

Such BS, really. All the most popular fan-art pieces that casuals share on Facebook are dark/edgy. There's obviously some level of interest in a more serious take.

The thing is TMNT reboots in the movies don't happen for years. When a TMNT movie line ends, they let it rest:

- Gap between TMNT III and TMNT 2007 was 1993-2007...14 years.

- Gap between TMNT 2007 and TMNT 2014....7 years.

Whenever a TMNT movie line ends and we don't get a sequel, they let it rest for a long time.

Well, if 14 was cut in half to 7, perhaps 7 will be cut in half to 3.5 years? It can't come quick enough. :trazz:

I think that's kind of been the case with everything. It's not until now that comic book movies have had a fire beneath them, being pushed forward with crazy urgency. If Turtles gets shelved, there probably won't be a timeframe on it. They probably won't be concerned about how to bring it back. They'll just leave it alone until somebody cares again. It's not like Sony, where Spider-Man was their most valuable property, or like transformers, where Michael Bay stepping away would've been the apocalypse for Paramount.

should've put Deadpool's one, its better

Nope. Must be Mirage. Must be black-and-white. Chop off Shredder's head, or gtfo. Add sand to popcorn for maximum grittiness.

Kidding. Your reasoning is sound. Even thought it's pretty much how I feel about Nick.

If they'd omit the reincarnation bit, a more IDW based movie would be fancy I guess. Would prefer a Nick adaptation with more Mirage sprinkled in.

Yep, I'd be just fine with either of these.

More... S E Q U E L S!!!

Unfortunately, I'm still not sold on the thought that TMNT 3 isn't a surefire thing. At this point, I believe it's still utterly inevitable.

Sequels require money, something this film is making less than its predecessor so far.

It still astonishes me that Transformers makes so much more money than these TMNT movies, even though the (lack of) quality is nigh identical.

I guess if you gotta choose between butt ugly ninja turtles or giant alien robots, giant alien robots will win in the end.

Movies that make money get sequels.

If they could have, they would have made a sequel to Titanic.

Movies that lose money....

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They tried going Ultra cartoony/light-hearted, it didn't work. It's time to do the exact opposite, i'm ready for that 'Batman Begins' caliber TMNT film that they were originally going for.

Goodbye my friend

Oh we never know where life will take us
We know it's just a ride on the wheel
And we never know when death will shake us
And we wonder how it will feel

So goodbye my friend
I know I'll never see you again
But the time together through all the years
Will take away these tears
It's O.K. now
Goodbye my friend

I'd see a lot of things that made me crazy
And I guess I held on to you
You could've run away and left, well maybe
But it wasn't time and we both knew

So goodbye my friend
I know I'll never see you again
But the love you gave me through all the years
Will take away my tears
I'm O.K. now
Goodbye my friend

A life so fragile, a love so pure
We can't hold on but we try
We watch how quickly it disappears
And we'll never know why

But I'm O.K. now
Goodbye my friend
You can go now
Goodbye my friend

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The thing is they shot themselves in the foot the first time out with 2014. My biggest counter argument of people who are saying "See?! I told you! A movie based on the original cartoon would suck and bomb!" is that OOTS isn't a faithful adaptation of the original cartoon. It's an attempt to course-correct off a failed attempt at being its own thing thats only now trying to pander to a different audience.

Sure, there's plenty of OT inspired elements in there: Bebop & Rocksteady, Krang, The Technodrome, Reporter April... but you're still left with 8 foot tall bulletproof Ninja Turtles with super strength who don't actually fight or resemble their cartoon counterparts, a Shredder whose a complete write-off, a Technodrome that's never fully realized, a Krang thats only in two scenes, a pre-mutated Baxter Stockman, a Dimension-X that's never explored(or explicitly stated, if I recall), celebrity-status Vern "The Falcon" Fenwick, Raphael's completely different personality, ... You can definitely say of all the other incarnations the Fred Wolf one is the closest it resembles, but its still not the Fred Wolf universe.

I still believe making a Fred Wolf Universe movie could still be huge numbers, but it can't be a direct sequel to a movie that tried its best to be its own thing and failed. It'd be like trying your hardest to adapt Season 2 of The Next Mutation into a faithful Mirage adaptation: you just can't. You can come close by what you add, emphasize, or alter, but you're still in the rules of The Next Mutation universe.

Pretty sure we'd get a lot of soccer mom backlash watching 4 small children being decapitated.

Enough soccer moms already took kids to see Deadpool. They'll live.

Or how about Kung Fu Panda 2? With an entire village being slaughtered.

It could be done.

How bad is the movie doing? I really don't know so it's hard to tell without knowing but...

If it makes a small profit they'll go ahead with a third movie. If they don't break even then the movie franchise is done for the foreseeable future.

However I think the executives are going to be puzzled on what to do with the franchise. They decided to reboot TMNT transformers style and change a bunch of thing. After a terrible backlash from the internet they get cold feet and change a few things, mainly having a different Shredder and the turtles not being alien. The movie makes money so they decide to give what the fans wanted for the second film from the beginning thinking it was those changes fans were mostly outspoken about which made the first movie successful and the second movie bombs giving fans exactly what they wanted and having tons of positive feedback online.

Haha I totally forgot about that scene in Kung Fu Panda 2. Your right Cartoons have started doing on screen suicide now.

Exactly. This is what we want.

Except I want rainbow bandannas. :tlol:

It's what the 2014 film SHOULD'VE been:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/enterta...179664711.html

I do agree with the above post. An OT-Ish movie would have been cool, just the rivalry between Yoshi and Saki alone, considering Yoshi is splinter in the OT, and robot foot soldiers. All that woulda been cool if it was it's own thing and not a sequel to the first movie.

Not Batman begins as much as a love those movie they are so far from the comics I would not want to see that if that's the route they are going to take. Heck dark Knight trilogy is the reason we have a man of steal and bvs(which I still liked). I'd rather if they go the comics route they go a deadpool route which is the best comic adaptation. And I don't mean make it a comedy I mean adapt the tone of the comic(I prefer IDW over mirage) perfectly.

But batman begins is not a faithful adaptation. Hell batfleck is more comic book accurate then bale.

Honestly, I don't want a Mirage movie. I want a Mirage TV show. 10-13 episodes of dark and grittiness, and actual storytelling. It gives more room for character development and lets the story breathe.


But if a movie's to come out, IDW's the way to go. The storytelling is perfectly balanced with the humor and the characters, and honestly, that's the definitive version of TMNT for me.

Agreed on all counts.

Where ya been, Foomba? :tgrin:

No, I don't mean how Nolan adapts the Batman comics-- What i'm saying is the dark and gritty tone and aesthetic is what I want for a Mirage film with fight scenes styled after the 'The Raid' (which is what was originally promised to us). Just imagine a Mirage trilogy:

Movie 1 - Adaptation of TMNT #2, Stockman as the main villain
Movie 2 - adaptation of TMNT #1 Shredder and all that good stuff with the Foot, Leo cuts of Shreddie's head in the climax
Movie 3 - "City At War" nuff' said.

IDW is cool and all, but Mirage is what they should be adapting if they're looking into the comics. If not a movie, i'd kill for a Netflix series in vain of 'Daredevil'

Agreed...:teek: what's this. Lol
But really in a dream world daredevil style mirage show.

But IDW movie would rock so much. the IDW series deserves so much more recognition than it get. I honestly like it better then mirage tmnt.