China - July 2nd.
 

Yeah, we've talked it to death, and the consensus is that TMNT 2 is dead in the water, and nothing will save it....

Then this happened

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So, with Viacom getting a portion of it's production money from China, and the well known firewall between them and us potentially keeping DL's on the DL...

Is the real measure of PDMT2:OOTS:MBITD still to come?

is July 2nd the real D day?

I guess The Chinese really love bad American Movies :lol:

But on the other hand, I remember reading something about the fact that the 2014 TMNT made around $60 million total in China. So I wouldn't be surprised if this one made less, considering that a lot of (not all) sequels make less than the previous/first one.

That'll be the test.

Hopefully it does and we can put this garbage on the street.

Assuming it flops in China, that will really be the final nail in the coffin. Also depends just how big the Turtles and the OT are in China. Maybe WOW was super huge in China? I'm honestly surprised WOW wasn't breaking all sorts of records here. The game has a large enough audience. Almost everyone I know has it, has played it, or has heard or it, and my theater erupted when the trailer for it came on.

Hey, I have NO love for this garbage, BUT....

but...

but

China loved Warcraft. Loved.

Keep in mind, World of Warcraft is massively popular in China. I believe I read somewhere that half of WoW's worldwide players are from China. So that could explain the huge appeal in that particular market.

My fear, is it will push TMNT2 into the black.

I wonder if China hates TMNT because the whole origin is dealing with Japanese characters and backstory. Splinter and Shredder are Japanese, most of the Foot are Japanese, the Turtles are brought up in ninjitsu.

Doesn't China hate Japan? They are mortal enemies.

But again, here is the thing. Right now, the film has made around $120 million worldwide.

I just don't see how/why TMNT 2 would get so much more of a massive 'box office haul' in China compared to the first one (which again, was about $60 million).

So, say it made the same in China as the 2014 one.

That's $180 million. Add another $20 to $30 million more (finishing off its' US run as well as some change worldwide).

So around $210 million worldwide. Let's add in a bit more "Just Because".

$240 million worldwide from a $135 million budget (plus advertising was what...maybe/at least $50 million to $60 million? Again, this thing had a Super Bowl ad, which run around $3 million to $4 million apiece).

So $185 million budget compared to a $240 million worldwide.

That's about how much money the remake of Robocop made (around $240 million worldwide) and it had a lower budget (around $100 million production budget compared to this one's $135 million production budget). No sequel, just nothing else for its' future.

The thinking would be 'well, with each sequel, it seems it'll make less and less back. Let's just stop'. It happens all the time.

Just look at The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (it made over $700 million worldwide, but the big budget and the 'not meeting Expectations' didn't help it). No third film.

Thus Spidey in Civil War and the upcoming Homecoming.

True. But that's not a part of PDMT, is it?

I thought the movie version was just Shredder was ugly, so he adopted a white kid to work in a laboratory in New York, because he had these scrolls that talked about ancient turtle monsters, so they thought it was a good idea to do drug experiments on reptiles, because they are a poor substitute for mammals.

Then, 15 years later, after committing arson, White Shredder and Ugly Shredder went to see TASM2 in theaters and thought it wasn't very good, but they decide to re-enact the last part of the movie in New York, but for reals.
Then Ugly shredder remembers how much he hates this rat man he's never met before, and goes to kill him, which makes 4 green roid monkeys mad, so they fight back, only they suck, so they lose.

Ugly Shredder drops the kids off to White Shredder, who sucks their blood for a bit, and this really makes them sleepy, but also angry...

and the BLOOD FEUD IS BORN.

Right?

The only Japanese component left in PDMT is Brian Tee, and he's only half; his mom is Korean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-J...iment_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-C...iment_in_Japan

Yeah, with the 2014 movie only getting around the $60mil in China as mentioned earlier, I don't see the sequel being much larger of a draw.

The movie franchise potential was a huge part of why Viacom/Nick bought TMNT. For the movie to not even be in the black in the domestic release, that HAS to be seen as a failure on the corporate level.

Outside of the movies, is the TMNT brand a pretty big draw these days? I haven't really been keeping up with it much. If the brand is doing good numbers elsewhere, I could see Viacom trying to reboot it. If Guardians of the Galaxy can bring in big money, TMNT definitely has the potential. Collector products seem to be popping up everyday, so the market is apparently there.

I like to believe there are still good in people, even if there are few. For example:

Japan actually borrowed stuff from China like their locographic chinese characters for writing and to make up their own hiragana and katakana. Dispute is just petty, imagine the stuff they could do together.

WoW is still pretty big in China it seems, and they have a bootleg theme park there. So maybe Warcraft and TMNT2 isn't quite comparable.

Isn't WoW a worldwide thing? Thought it was huge here.

The first didn't make big dollars, but the first didn't have Chinese money...

TF 1-3 didn't do well in China, but TF4 did...

Hope it's nothing, just me feeling the weather in my bones....

WoW don't have 12M subscribers anymore, I think they are almost down to half of what they had at their most.

So it's not cool anymore? I'm not a gamer at all. What is?
They bought the rights in 2006...guess they moved a little too slowly.

Still, China has 1.3 billion....

I mentioned this in another thread but studios receive a fraction of the Chinese box office due to tariffs. The only reason Warcraft is an exception is because Legendary is owned by a Chinese corporation. TMNT 2 struck some sort of distribution deal with a Chinese group so they'll probably see more of a return than another domestic produced films but nothing like Warcraft's return.

TMNT also isn't popular in China like Warcraft.

Did anyone watch 'Need for Speed' in 2014? Well, the Chinese did, so much so that a sequel is being made just for China. If the Chinese love terrible American movies, just think of how awful Chinese movies must be.

China likes American CGI explosion fests because it's the one thing their film industry hasn't necessarily been able to do themselves. Comedies, dramas, those sorts of things they can do. Superhero movies not so much.

When foreign countries get American films, are they still in english with subtitles on the bottom? Or do they dub over the english voices with their own language voices?

I was always curious about this. When Star Wars Episode 7 opened in Japan did the Asian countries hear the actors in english, or were they dubbed in with Japanese voices?

That depends on the country s dubbing industry so to say...there are countries That dubb american/foureign films (germany for example) , others dont (croatia to my experience and knowledge)

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That is nuts. I knew they had a lot of players, but wow. (Or should that be WoW.) I used to have more interest in that film, when I was playing, but it took them so darn long to actually make the thing that I kind of lost most interest after I had to stop playing for the time being. (Will be sure to catch it via cable though.) Really wasn't sure how that would go over since they kind of missed the opportunity to do it at the height of the game's popularity, but I guess that is still going strong in China.

I think many do dub it. Haven't looked much this time, but I know the first has many trailers in other languages as it was.

Wasn't there a country recently that had a premier or other TMNT 2 thing with their own dubbed over voice actors in attendance? I saw something about that, can't remember if it was something mentioned here or just some random thing I ran across elsewhere.

My question is... do they ever change the dialogue? If China isn't fond of Japan, did they tone that down for China for 2014?

It's not really all that petty. It's scars from when Japan were absolute monsters around and during World War II. It's like a large-scale, more horrific version of a bully in high school who made a kid's life absolutely miserable every day... even if the bully turned his life around as an adult and tries to make amends, the hurt is still there.

Not that I'm saying that they shouldn't find a way to bury the hatchet and establish unity... it's just understandable why it's there. South Korea has similar feelings toward Japan.

You forgot Brittany Ishibashi being of Japanese descent.

Maybe China will cut her 2 minutes of screen time.

In her 4 seconds of screen time? Negligible.

I think we should start a pool...

I gots a bad feeling 'bout this.

http://i.imgur.com/JRAuFDV.gif


Come on, at the very least, there needs to be a third just so we have something to bicker about. After 2+ years of it, you can't just quit that cold turkey. :tlol: :trazz:



I doubt China will pull off a miracle for it. Unless they're in a serious movie seeing mood at the moment? But if it did and that made it continue... just don't slack on the portrayal of those Turtles though... and then apply that effort everywhere else that lagged in the 2nd.

Here's a thought - don't be so hasty to fly through writing and start production, take a little more time, do it well. Read through it 10k times, weed out the stupid stuff and smooth out the rough patches; get second, third, fourth, fifth...tenth opinions... Get fan opinions. Feed a few well knowledgeable fans separate selected segments with a NDA. Let them say "this part is stupid, don't do it."

God, imagine if somehow a third happened, was a full turn around (through some kind of magic I suppose) and saved its own ass. *sigh* One can dream, I guess.

More ignorance. Again, the studio makes very, very little % off of overseas box office.

Nah, ignorance is thinking China isn't important.

Wasn’t there a bunch of Chinese money in OOTS? I definitely saw the Alibaba logo at the start, and another company ident (the one with the ghost deer) that I recognise as Chinese.

Warcraft was made by Legendary wasn’t it? Legendary are either partly or wholly owned by Wanda, which is a Chinese investment company, of which the Chinese government is probably a major stakeholder. Maybe not Wanda specifically, but another company China Media Capital have been known to benefit from preferential treatment in terms of release dates and advertising. Wanda own a chain of cinemas, so it stands to reason that anything they’ve invested in will get a big push.

If it does huge numbers in China, then Chinese companies will front the production costs. Much like TMNT2. I don't see it happening, but it's possible.

Also, I miss the old wife beater avatar.

I do recall Alibaba, plus one or two more, but don't remember what. I'm curious what the promoting is like in China vs the rest of us.



It's happened, even the American film industry is largely outsourcing their audience film interest...

A man who actually knows. Nice.

Are you saying if OotS does well in China that Chinese companies will front the production costs for a 3rd movie?

I personally don't see it happening. If the bean counters see that the opportunity for profit is there, then yeah... I'm sure they'll figure out something.

The name of the game is bringing in the dough!

How do you explain this, hotshot?

On the subject of China (and my own question of how it's being promoted there), I saw this article:

Btw... I went looking for larger versions and I don't know if it's a fan or what in 'April's' lap in that one poster, but there is an image of Usagi on it. :) (Although some other aspect of her looks... odd to me, but maybe I'm just seeing things...)


Edit: Bigger versions I found and saved. Couldn't find a big one with them making pizza.
http://i.imgur.com/hHlyWfV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WlBD1BW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zaRV57W.jpg