Do you consider TMNT 2007 apart of the 90s live action movie universe?
 

I sometimes wondered if the 2007 CGI TMNT movie was ever apart of the original 90s movie verse.

I think the director said it was but I'm having trouble find his words about it on google. I think someone else said it was in it's own universe.

The inclusion of Karai in this movie really throws it off continuity wise. I mean she was never established in the original trilogy. But yet shes here in charge of the Foot Clan.

Is TMNT (2007) really TMNT 4? Was it suppose to but it became it's own thing?

I dunno, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It can kind go either way, so it's best left to personal preference, I say. Not 100% on the official word, though I do think he (Kevin Munroe) had wanted it to be loosely connected to them.

For me it's like, there's a fork in the road where The Next Mutation & TMNT meet, it's your call as to which one is where the original trilogy potentially branched off. I like TNM more than TMNT, so if made to choose I go with that.

I look at the 2007 film as an amalgam universe of the live-action films and the 4Kids series.

I do. I also liked 2007 a lot more than most here. Underrated and enjoyable movie.

If it wasn't for all of the pop songs in the 2007 movie, I would probably count it. But I don't consider a movie that features Vanilla Ice connected to a movie playing POD in the same universe.

It is like Superman Returns is to the 4 that came before it. It is loosely connected,like a soft reboot.

Personally, I consider the 07 CGI movie it's own thing with a few small throwbacks. Sooooo much potential squandered.

I'm curious is the unproduced Barron Hallmark project was intended to be connected to the original movie.

There are some hints that it takes place in the same continuity but it obviously takes place long enough after TMNT III for it to be irrelevant.

I liked the song

Nowadays I see the 2007 movie having more in common with the Nick cartoon than anything else. You just have to ignore Karai not being familiar with the Turtles, but even that is glossed over in the movie really quickly.

That's about how I felt about it. I was looking forward to the next movie, the one they were obviously setting up but we never got. As its own thing, I feel TMNT is alright, and at least a hell of an improvement on III. If we'd gotten a proper TMNT V as a follow-up, I'd think of it as the proper TMNT IV today.

Me too. For every fault in that movie it made up for it by doing something pretty great. Its faults aren't even that big of problems really. I enjoy that movie more than a lot of episodes of the 4Kids series, not gonna lie. (And seriously, the Nightwatcher arc needs to be brought up again. It's a pretty damn good story for Raph)

Hey, here's a crazy idea...

TMNT 2k7 is actually an alternate future of the Nick toon!

It can be if it wants to be, far as I'm concerned. Although it's annoying since the tie-in comics reference Triceratons so that means we're "missing" a potentially interesting "movie".

You're living in a universe that plays both Vanilla Ice and POD right now!

Would explain why April and Casey don't seem to be like 5-10 years older than the turtles.

I think 2k7 Casey has a similar build to Nick Casey. Most other versions make him into a muscled dude.

I was just thinking today how weird it must be for a kid who first knew the Turtles through the Nick toon to discover the 2007 movie and wonder if it's supposed to be the same characters.

I followed this movie heavily here in the drome and the director was very vague about things but basically would always say this was a new universe and it clearly was meant to be a new universe. If you want to know Monroe specifically flip flopped from the first one being in continuity to maybe the first two but that it was its own thing etc. In the end we have the trophy room which ironically has TMNT III references which he never mentioned as possibly happening.

I was part of the IT HAS TO BE TMNT IV camp as many were and was happy ot have the trophy room but after seeing the movie and reading the tie-in stuff I realized it made no sense to shoehorn it into the movie continuity. First of all the movies don't add up, the first trilogy are clearly taking place in the late 80s/early 90s while this is a modern world. Pretty much all characters act very differently. The trophy room is pretty much filled with stuff all incarnations of the turtles have done like defeat Shredder, the canister, time scepter and has stuff the movie turtles didn't do as well but have done in many other incarnations like the triceratons and mousers.

However the tie-in comics and kids novels like "who's the nightwatcher" make references to characters like Silver Sentry and flesh out this universe as its own thing. If we'd gotten more movies in this universe it would've definitely become a different universe. And while the fandom may hate it The Next Mutation actually has way more connections and references to the original trilogy making that one more of a sequel to the three films than the 2007 one.

That's my argument, and yeah I'm also now in the camp that "as long as there aren't any huge contradictions" I will shoehorn it into the Nick universe, just so it doesn't feel so alone.

April running a (false?) import/export business would be a good starting point for some kind of international TMNT comic or TV show or something.

Man, you two really make me want a new mini-series based off the Imagi continuity.

But I thought she does recognize the Turtles when she sees them?

April in the 2007 movie also looks like an adult version of Nick April. She literally has the same face, hair style, etc.

The Trophy Room gives a lot of nudges to the LA trilogy, so for me I'm fine with it being a alternative sequel to the LA movies while NM is another alternative future version.

If not canon, at least teh Imagi Turtles have done some very similar adventures like the live-action movies, as well as meeting Triceratons and Mousers before the event of TMNT 2007

It can go both ways as far as the CGI goes.

Same here since the 4Kids show was on at the time.

The Shredder Helmet is interesting because his design in the prologue and some of the merch is more like the 4kids shredder, but that helmet is clearly from the 90s movie. I'm not sure where they would have gotten it from if that is the case, seeing as his first helmet was crushed, and the second one mutated (somehow).

Absolutely. Munroe said it was intended to be a sequel to TMNT 1 and 2... then we see Walker's hat in it too and the goddamn Scepter, so obviously TMNT 3 is in it too. Yeah, it's TMNT Part Four, through and through.

He also probably intended it to be good, but that didn't quite work out, either. His original character designs were REALLY cool.

I see the trophy room as a fun throwback shot-- nothing more. If they wanted to make it a legit sequel to the old live action movies, there are a ton of things they could have done differently. Better character designs, consistent April/Casey, original voice actors, logo, title, music, vibe, etc.

This.

We've had this same discussion about 99 times now, and we come to the same conclusion every time: some think it's a sequel, some think it's a seperate universe. Whatever you want it to be.

That's part of the fun of TMNT. You can usually "choose your own adventure" so to speak, be it this matter, Image/Mirage canon, which things tie into the OT, etc.

Pretty much this. April has mire in common with her 4kids counterpart, as does Casey. Karai and the turtles obviously know each other, as evidenced when Leo recognizes her at the cinstruction site. And the lair has NO connection to any of the movie ones- in fact, it actually looks more like the Atlantean one from 4kids. (Yes I know it was destroyed, but given the proximity of the underground city, it is very possible they had other outposts.) The trophy room was just an easter egg or shout out scene.

A lot of Mirage is like that, with the guest era and certain Tales. Archie has some take or leave continuity, mainly Year of The Turtle. IDW has the Batman crossover. Even Next Mutation has the PRIS crossover lol.

IDW also has the X Files crossover

Well the 6 part series as a whole is undeniably not canon, especially after the finale. But yeah, you could include just the TMNT issue if you really wanted to.

I also liked to believe that the Justice Force episode in 4kids and the Pizzaface episode in Nick were both just Mike's imagination, unfortunately later episodes of each series would bring those crappy stories back into the mix. I still pretty much ignore them though.

It wants to be but it's clearly not. I mean do you honestly see goofy-ass Cowabunga Leo from the first 3 movies go on this world trek on his own? Naw.

Justice Force appear so often in the 2k3 series its hard to ignore them though. Although you're right had the first Silver Sentry ep just been a one-off, it could have just been a comic story Mike was imagining himself in. But that went out the window once the superheroes kept coming back.

How on earth did they get that guys armor? I ain't seen TMNT3 for a while, but did they take off his armor at some point and bring it back with them? Did he come to the future somehow? And they got his armor off him then?

Also, don't forget that Aprils apartment from TMNT 2 appears in this film also.

I haven't seen TMNT 3 in awhile as well, but it's possible that the turtles went back in another adventure or he came to the future somehow. (Maybe Savanti was involved?)

Lots of old armor is still around in the present, maybe April's company picked it up for them at some point.

Speaking of TMNT 2007, I'm editing the movie myself to enhance the enjoyment. I hated the intro with the long winded narrator ("4 brothers... 4 turtles..." + Winters and the portal planetary alignment Hercules ripoff origin) so I deleted that out and add in the first teaser (the one where they posed with their weapons and Mikey fell from the sky into a garbage container. Rendering takes 2 hours.

I might wanna edit out TMNT 2 Secret of the Ooze next - axing out Keeno, cringeworthy tame weaponless fights and other pointless things. It's like I'm being cleansed from the cringyness of the past.

I agree. Definitely overrated.

Any chance you could edit out Kevin Smith? :lol: