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Prowler 09-18-2016 11:24 AM

Bomb in NYC injures 29 people
 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37402130

New York bomb was 'act of terrorism', says Governor Cuomo

A bomb that exploded in New York City was an act of terrorism, Governor Andrew Cuomo says, but no link to international groups has been found.
Mr Cuomo said significant damage had been caused and "we were lucky there were no fatalities". Saturday night's blast in Manhattan injured 29 people.
Some 1,000 extra security personnel are being deployed to NY transport hubs.
Mr Cuomo said: "Whoever placed these bombs - we will find them and they will be brought to justice."
A second device - a pressure cooker attached to wiring and a mobile phone - had been found four blocks from the site of the explosion in the Chelsea district and was removed safely.

Addressing reporters on Sunday near the site of the explosion, Mr Cuomo said: "A bomb exploding in New York is obviously an act of terrorism."

But he said that, as yet, no international organisation such as so-called Islamic State had claimed they were behind it.
Mr Cuomo said: "We will not allow these type of people and these type of threats to disrupt our life in New York. This is freedom. This is democracy, and we are not going to allow them to take that from us.
"They want to instil terror. They want to make you worry about going into New York. We're not going to let them instil fear."
All 29 injury victims had now been released from hospital, he said.
Mr Cuomo said that the attack was one of the "nightmare scenarios" a governor must face, but he added: "We have no reason to believe at this time that there is any further immediate threat."
He said the two devices in New York appeared similar in design, but different from the pipe bomb that detonated earlier on Saturday on the route of a charity race in New Jersey. That explosion caused no injuries.
Windows blown out
The Chelsea explosion occurred at about 21:00 (01:00 GMT on Sunday), outside a residence for blind people on West 23rd St.

The second device has been described as a pressure cooker attached to wiring and a mobile phone - and this mode of attack was last seen in the US during the Boston Marathon bombings of 2013.
A pressure cooker device also featured in a failed jihadist plot to attack New York's Times Square in 2010. Extreme right-wing cells have also made them and the instructions are freely passed around on the internet.
The US has a dedicated laboratory where forensic scientists analyse the remains of every significant explosive device the security services recover.
Tiny fragments of a detonated device can be enough to pinpoint how it was made - and potentially who made it. Two years ago the US scientists had a major victory when their painstaking work uncovered evidence that proved that a London taxi driver had made bombs in Iraq that killed a soldier.
The force of the blast blew out windows and could be heard several blocks away.
Some reports said the bomb went off in a black metal construction toolbox, others that it was in a rubbish bin.

Chelsea is among the most fashionable districts of Manhattan and its bars and restaurants are usually crowded at the weekend.
On Tuesday President Obama and other world leaders are due to attend the UN General Assembly in New York.
I believe there was also an explosion yesterday in NJ. The governor of NY suspects the bomb in NYC was an act of terrorism, but no one has suggested the two acts might be related to each other yet.

TheSkeletonMan939 09-18-2016 11:27 AM

Thank God no one was killed this time...
Hope they scrape up the vermin who did this and lock him away.

Prowler 09-18-2016 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939 (Post 1624988)
Thank God no one was killed this time...
Hope they scrape up the vermin who did this and lock him away.

I wonder if it's related to the explosion in NJ during a marine race. Or even to the Minnesota mall stabbing spree. Just seems to be too much of a coincidence, you know what I mean?

TheSkeletonMan939 09-18-2016 11:39 AM

Unfortunately such events are so commonplace today that I think it may all be just that - a coincidence.

snake 09-18-2016 11:39 AM

I'd bet my life on it being related to NJ. Horrible event.

Prowler 09-18-2016 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939 (Post 1624992)
Unfortunately such events are so commonplace today that I think it may all be just that - a coincidence.

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1624993)
I'd bet my life on it being related to NJ. Horrible event.

Well, when top EU and American politicians end up fabricating monsters to fight other monsters, what do you expect, really.

mrmaczaps 09-18-2016 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1624997)
Well, when top EU and American politicians end up fabricating monsters to fight other monsters, what do you expect, really.

Politicians make up monsters?

Prowler 09-18-2016 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmaczaps (Post 1625030)
Politicians make up monsters?

No, they create them. I used the wrong verb, my bad.

But politicians can also lie about who the enemy is or how he came to be. In the last few years we've been hearing how evil the Russians are, but well guess what, it's not the Russians who have been performing attacks in Europe and in the USA lately.

plastroncafe 09-18-2016 01:32 PM

You sure about that?

Prowler 09-18-2016 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe (Post 1625040)

Until they mess with the Old Continent it's all good. USA and Russia have been going at each other for decades now.

I wonder if Palin can still see what they're doing from her window.

TheSkeletonMan939 09-18-2016 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1625043)
I wonder if Palin can still see what they're doing from her window.

Ask Tina Fey - she's the one who gave people the impression that Palin actually said that.

Prowler 09-18-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939 (Post 1625046)
Ask Tina Fey - she's the one who gave people the impression that Palin actually said that.

Yes, Palin said you could see Russia from Alaska and not from her house. Kinda funny how it's the thing people remember the most about her when she's probably said way worse things back in 2008.

snake 09-18-2016 02:12 PM

Putin/Russia gets sh*t done. Unlike us.

Prowler 09-18-2016 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1625052)
Putin/Russia gets sh*t done. Unlike us.

yeah, US and EU intervention in Syria hasn't done us any favor. Nor did the goddamn Arab Spring. And now we have the ref... migrant crisis on our hands. Wonderful :trolleye:

BubblyShell22 09-18-2016 02:20 PM

This is so horrible. I hope they catch whoever did this and they are brought to justice. At least no one was killed, but it could have been much worse. Didn't hear about the NJ bombing though. It sucks that these things have to happen.

Prowler 09-18-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22 (Post 1625057)
This is so horrible. I hope they catch whoever did this and they are brought to justice. At least no one was killed, but it could have been much worse. Didn't hear about the NJ bombing though. It sucks that these things have to happen.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/17/us...ive-trash-can/

No one got injured, though.

ToTheNines 09-18-2016 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1625052)
Putin/Russia gets sh*t done. Unlike us.

Jesus Christ, this is a horrifying mindset. Do you consider murdering journalists, rigging elections, and violating basic human rights on a whim to be "getting **** done"?

Prowler 09-18-2016 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines (Post 1625065)
Jesus Christ, this is a horrifying mindset. Do you consider murdering journalists, rigging elections, and violating basic human rights on a whim to be "getting **** done"?

I think he meant Syria in specific. At least that's how I interpreted his post. I mean, if he was referring to Russia's domestic policies it wouldn't make much sense since Russia isn't exactly close to being heaven on Earth.

snake 09-18-2016 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines (Post 1625065)
Jesus Christ, this is a horrifying mindset. Do you consider murdering journalists, rigging elections, and violating basic human rights on a whim to be "getting **** done"?

Oh no, I'm not defending the sh*tshow they have going on over there (remember Crimea?) but they handled the ISIS/Syria crisis pretty well IMO.

Russia is a corrupt country, but they mean buisness.

Commenter 42 09-18-2016 02:54 PM

Trust nothing and no one. Don't even trust yourself.

Fear is the only true motivator, so stay afraid.

Prowler 09-18-2016 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42 (Post 1625070)
Trust nothing and no one. Don't even trust yourself.

Fear is the only true motivator, so stay afraid.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/50485753.jpg

snake 09-18-2016 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42 (Post 1625070)
Trust nothing and no one. Don't even trust yourself.

Fear is the only true motivator, so stay afraid.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...85/519/eef.png

turtle1237 09-19-2016 08:47 AM

But you can trust the power of steel.

This you can trust.

ZariusTwo 09-19-2016 10:40 AM

They caught the bomber.

MikeandRaph87 09-19-2016 11:50 AM

I saw on the news they knew who it was and had relatives of the suspect in custody. They got the person in question then? Good!

I read that 29 are injured. Is there no death toll only injured?

Prowler 09-19-2016 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 1625241)
They caught the bomber.

Yep

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87 (Post 1625260)
I saw on the news they knew who it was and had relatives of the suspect in custody. They got the person in question then? Good!

I read that 29 are injured. Is there no death toll only injured?

According to Obama(see link above) no one got killed.

BubblyShell22 09-19-2016 01:35 PM

Awesome to hear the jerk got caught.

mrmaczaps 09-19-2016 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22 (Post 1625297)
Awesome to hear the jerk got caught.

Terrorist... The terrorist got caught...

plastroncafe 09-19-2016 02:22 PM

Alleged bomber, if we're going to split hairs.
We don't know that he's a terrorist, nor can we assume the person of interest that was caught is guilty. That's for the court to decide.

But seeing as the guy currently in custody was trespassing when he was caught, and then fired on police...I'd say jerk is pretty accurate.

snake 09-19-2016 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe (Post 1625330)
Alleged bomber, if we're going to split hairs.
We don't know that he's a terrorist, nor can we assume the person of interest that was caught is guilty. That's for the court to decide.

But seeing as the guy currently in custody was trespassing when he was caught, and then fired on police...I'd say jerk is pretty accurate.

I think if you bomb something you should be considered a terrorist by definition.

plastroncafe 09-19-2016 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1625337)
I think if you bomb something you should be considered a terrorist by definition.

Sure. The same thing should also be said for dudes who shoot up movie theaters full of people. But it's not.

snake 09-19-2016 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe (Post 1625340)
Sure. The same thing should also be said for dudes who shoot up movie theaters full of people. But it's not.

You don't consider them terrorists? I do.

School shooters are the only sub catagory I give

plastroncafe 09-19-2016 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1625341)
You don't consider them terrorists? I do.

School shooters are the only sub catagory I give

I'd consider them terrorists too. Really anyone who uses an atmosphere of "fear" to further an agenda is a terrorist. Whether that atmosphere relies upon actual violence, or the perception of impending violence.

However, in the media, terrorist is a term relegated to either people who are actively trying to further a political agenda, or mass-murders who aren't white.
And since we don't yet know if this guy had a political agenda, I feel it's too soon to go tossing around the term.

You are more than welcome to disagree with me.

Prowler 09-19-2016 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe (Post 1625349)
I'd consider them terrorists too. Really anyone who uses an atmosphere of "fear" to further an agenda is a terrorist. Whether that atmosphere relies upon actual violence, or the perception of impending violence.

However, in the media, terrorist is a term relegated to either people who are actively trying to further a political agenda, or mass-murders who aren't white.
And since we don't yet know if this guy had a political agenda, I feel it's too soon to go tossing around the term.

You are more than welcome to disagree with me.

Breivik is white and pretty sure he is considered a terrorist by the media. Just like all those far-left and far-right organisations who committed bombing throughout Europe in the 70s-80s were labeled as terrorists back then.

Ofc since Islamic terrorism seems to be the biggest in the world in the current century, people ended up equating Islam with terrorism. Even though it's inaccurate. The media just plays its part in order to sell papers.

plastroncafe 09-19-2016 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1625351)
Breivik is white and pretty sure he is considered a terrorist by the media. Just like all those far-left and far-right organisations who committed bombing throughout Europe in the 70s-80s were labeled as terrorists back then.

Ofc since Islamic terrorism seems to be the biggest in the world in the current century, people ended up equating Islam with terrorism. Even though it's inaccurate. The media just plays its part in order to sell papers.

Ah, my bad. I forgot to make the "In America" stipulation.
Sorry about that.

This guy in New York? The few reports I'm seeing that mention he's an American citizen are from international sites.
Most domestic sources are quick to point out that he wasn't born in the US, as if that somehow makes him less a citizen.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 09-19-2016 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1625351)
Breivik is white and pretty sure he is considered a terrorist by the media. Just like all those far-left and far-right organisations who committed bombing throughout Europe in the 70s-80s were labeled as terrorists back then.

Ofc since Islamic terrorism seems to be the biggest in the world in the current century, people ended up equating Islam with terrorism. Even though it's inaccurate. The media just plays its part in order to sell papers.

Well... everything was on-point except "sell papers."

Only people buying newspapers these days own pet birds. :trazz:

Prowler 09-19-2016 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe (Post 1625352)
Ah, my bad. I forgot to make the "In America" stipulation.
Sorry about that.

This guy in New York? The few reports I'm seeing that mention he's an American citizen are from international sites.
Most domestic sources are quick to point out that he wasn't born in the US, as if that somehow makes him less a citizen.

Yes, I figured you meant USA, but nowadays in Europe we don't really fear internal terrorism from other white folk anymore either. Just from Middle Eastern folk. So what you've said probably applies here somewhat as well.

I guess many Middle Eastern Americas are 1st and 2nd generation Americans. Plus, USA, no matter how diverse it might be it still was meant to be a European like country and the majority is white, so I can see why that sort of thing happens. Not saying it's right, considering it's a country of immigrants form all over the world but I can see why people might overlook the fact that an Afghani guy might be as American as an Irish American guy is.

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1625353)
Well... everything was on-point except "sell papers."

Only people buying newspapers these days own pet birds. :trazz:

Well, you know what I meant anyway :P

plastroncafe 09-19-2016 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1625354)
Yes, I figured you meant USA, but nowadays in Europe we don't really fear internal terrorism from other white folk anymore either. Just from Middle Eastern folk. So what you've said probably applies here somewhat as well.

I guess many Middle Eastern Americas are 1st and 2nd generation Americans. Plus, USA, no matter how diverse it might be it still was meant to be a European like country and the majority is white, so I can see why that sort of thing happens. Not saying it's right, considering it's a country of immigrants form all over the world but I can see why people might overlook the fact that an Afghani guy might be as American as an Irish American guy is.

And the cycle begins anew.
Honestly I can't wait to go home for the holidays so I can hear all about how Italians were persecuted when they first came over. How horrible and unspeakable it was when they were stripped of their language and culture and blah blah blah.

And then in the next breath how people coming over now should not be allowed to speak their language, or make their own food, or retain their customs.

But I digress.

Prowler 09-19-2016 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe (Post 1625358)
And the cycle begins anew.
Honestly I can't wait to go home for the holidays so I can hear all about how Italians were persecuted when they first came over. How horrible and unspeakable it was when they were stripped of their language and culture and blah blah blah.

And then in the next breath how people coming over now should not be allowed to speak their language, or make their own food, or retain their customs.

But I digress.

Yes I know they suffered discrimination at first. In the first half of the 20th century Europeans still had lots of bad blood among each other, so we were all dicks to each other, you see. Not like nowadays where we claim to hate war and call ourselves the zenith of human civilisation!

BubblyShell22 09-19-2016 04:13 PM

Terrorists are just as much jerks as gang members who shoot innocent people or anyone who commits murder. That's why I called him a jerk.


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