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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 09-19-2016 12:23 PM

Why were so many action-figures and vehicles never in any comics, TV-series or films
 
Many of the action-figures and vehicles from the late 1980's and early-1990's never appeared in any comics, TV-series or films. (maybe some unknown minicomic) Why were these ever released? I only bought what I recognized (1987 cartoon, Archie Comics).

As far as I know the 2003 (and IDW) as well as 2012 only have toys based on the cartoons and comics.

CyberCubed 09-19-2016 12:35 PM

Playmates made up a bunch of new mutants to sell as toys.

My guess is the writers of the OT then picked and chose which ones they wanted to put into episodes and just ignored the others.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 09-19-2016 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1625276)
Playmates made up a bunch of new mutants to sell as toys.

My guess is the writers of the OT then picked and chose which ones they wanted to put into episodes and just ignored the others.

But wouldn't it be better to wait with releasing the toys until they'd appeared in any cartoon episode or Archie comic book.

snake 09-19-2016 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1625278)
But wouldn't it be better to wait with releasing the toys until they'd appeared in any cartoon episode or Archie comic book.

I don't think it really mattered considering more people remember the toys than specific episodes of the show. And the toys were QUALITY too.

CyberCubed 09-19-2016 03:14 PM

Its too bad Archie never got a small stint in the toyline. Seeing the Archie Mutanimals, Armaggon, Null, etc. all get toys in the 90's would have been amazing.

snake 09-19-2016 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1625367)
Its too bad Archie never got a small stint in the toyline. Seeing the Archie Mutanimals, Armaggon, Null, etc. all get toys in the 90's would have been amazing.

I know an idiot that swears up and down that Armaggon had a toy and immidietly dismisses me when I tell him otherwise because "You weren't around then, how would you know?"

The cob knobbler was shocked when I told him that the mirage turtles had all red masks.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 09-19-2016 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1625372)
I know an idiot that swears up and down that Armaggon had a toy and immidietly dismisses me when I tell him otherwise because "You weren't around then, how would you know?"

The cob knobbler was shocked when I told him that the mirage turtles had all red masks.

Somebody no doubt had a Street Sharks action figure and didn't know Street Sharks was a thing. :tlol:

snake 09-19-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1625376)
Somebody no doubt had a Street Sharks action figure and didn't know Street Sharks was a thing. :tlol:

That idea has certainly crossed my mind.

Powder 09-19-2016 04:54 PM

It's a good question. I was always bothered by the fact that the show & toyline rarely referenced one another.

MrPliggins 09-19-2016 05:18 PM

As a kid, I was convinced I must've missed an Ace Duck episode, since all of the other figures had been featured on the show at that point. I "time taped" every episode to try and catch it. If only I had the internet, episode lists, etc!

The Fifth Turtle 09-19-2016 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1625412)
It's a good question. I was always bothered by the fact that the show & toyline rarely referenced one another.

Which was odd because the tv show was made to sell the toys.

wpugh2424 09-19-2016 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPliggins (Post 1625422)
As a kid, I was convinced I must've missed an Ace Duck episode, since all of the other figures had been featured on the show at that point. I "time taped" every episode to try and catch it. If only I had the internet, episode lists, etc!

Yea when I was little I never saw an episode with ace duck
After rewatching these I obviously caught him
As far as the question for the thread, who knows. It's def disappointing

Powder 09-19-2016 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPliggins (Post 1625422)
As a kid, I was convinced I must've missed an Ace Duck episode, since all of the other figures had been featured on the show at that point. I "time taped" every episode to try and catch it. If only I had the internet, episode lists, etc!

Yeah, I had that same experience with so many characters. Getting the DVD sets over the years always excited me, knowing I missed so much of the series. I was certain I'd be seeing characters X, Y, & Z. So much for that! :tlol: Scumbug/Antrax, Merdude, there were a few pleasant surprises, but as we all know, mostly a letdown.

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Originally Posted by The Fifth Turtle (Post 1625428)
Which was odd because the tv show was made to sell the toys.

Exactly! Makes no sense. You'd think they'd have had a good working relationship, as 4kids & Nick did/do. Maybe we were better off? Sometimes their toy-pushing agenda can be grating. Still, what a rogues gallery to miss out on...

CyberCubed 09-19-2016 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1625496)
Yeah, I had that same experience with so many characters. Getting the DVD sets over the years always excited me, knowing I missed so much of the series. I was certain I'd be seeing characters X, Y, & Z. So much for that! :tlol: Scumbug/Antrax, Merdude, there were a few pleasant surprises, but as we all know, mostly a letdown.

You didn't see most of the OT until the DVDs? Hm, I always assumed you were one of the kids who watched it in the 90's as it aired on TV. Especially judging by your age and posts about it.

Powder 09-19-2016 08:23 PM

I saw probably 65-70% of it. Being born in 1990, I caught up a bit late. Reruns were on typically while I was in school, it made things difficult. If not for the fact I was sick so often, I'd have missed even more of it. My grandma would tape episodes whenever possible, & I'd also rent the home features from Blockbuster, so that's probably how I saw as much as I did. I did get The Next Mutation in its entirety though. :tlol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 09-20-2016 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1625367)
Its too bad Archie never got a small stint in the toyline. Seeing the Archie Mutanimals, Armaggon, Null, etc. all get toys in the 90's would have been amazing.

The Stump Asteroid Intergalactic Wrestling Stadium could have been a great playset! :) Could have been with Cudley the Cowlick http://lavignebrownart.blogspot.se/2...-vehicles.html

wpugh2424 09-20-2016 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1625691)
The Stump Asteroid Intergalactic Wrestling Stadium could have been a great playset! :) Could have been with Cudley the Cowlick http://lavignebrownart.blogspot.se/2...-vehicles.html

That'd been really cool
I'm on a Archie comics run and came across that a volume or two ago

Andrew NDB 09-20-2016 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wpugh2424 (Post 1625783)
That'd been really cool
I'm on a Archie comics run and came across that a volume or two ago

A volume or two ago? There was only one.

wpugh2424 09-20-2016 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1625787)
A volume or two ago? There was only one.

? ?
I have the trades that have been recently releasing. As far as I know there are 11-12 volumes thus far

Ninjinister 09-20-2016 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1625496)
Exactly! Makes no sense. You'd think they'd have had a good working relationship, as 4kids & Nick did/do. Maybe we were better off? Sometimes their toy-pushing agenda can be grating. Still, what a rogues gallery to miss out on...

Considering how they didn't produce toys for about half of the seasons of 2K3...

lonewarrior20 09-20-2016 06:57 PM

personally i'd love to see a robot chicken animator or someone do a stop motion parody of the wacky racers using some of the vehicles. i mean just look at the shredder mobile.
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/069...G?v=1429911273
if thats not dick dastardly style i don't know what is.

Powder 09-20-2016 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1625867)
Considering how they didn't produce toys for about half of the seasons of 2K3...

Barring BTTS, what were they slacking on? To my memory, pretty much every key character you'd want a toy of, had one...

Ninjinister 09-20-2016 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1625900)
Barring BTTS, what were they slacking on? To my memory, pretty much every key character you'd want a toy of, had one...

Nothing from Lost Season, either. And half of the Fast Forward stuff never got past toy shows.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 09-20-2016 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1625900)
Barring BTTS, what were they slacking on? To my memory, pretty much every key character you'd want a toy of, had one...

No Chaplin, no Tribunal Acolytes or "Shredder Variants". Those immediately come to mind.

Powder 09-20-2016 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1625903)
Nothing from Lost Season, either. And half of the Fast Forward stuff never got past toy shows.

Weren't the Mystic Fury turtles based on the Lost Season, or am I mixing things up? & yeah it's a shame the Inuwashi Gunjin got cancelled but we got a pretty good assortment of FF figures.

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1625907)
No Chaplin, no Tribunal Acolytes or "Shredder Variants". Those immediately come to mind.

Did more than like 5 people want those, though? :tlol: I mean, Playmates knows their demographic has never been too big on human toys, barring the classic characters. I see where you guys are coming from, though.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 09-20-2016 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1625908)
Weren't the Mystic Fury turtles based on the Lost Season, or am I mixing things up? & yeah it's a shame the Inuwashi Gunjin got cancelled but we got a pretty good assortment of FF figures.

Did more than like 5 people want those, though? :tlol: I mean, Playmates knows their demographic has never been too big on human toys, barring the classic characters. I see where you guys are coming from, though.

Yeah, the Mystic Turtles were about the only thing Playmates did for the Lost Season.

I wouldn't have wanted a Chaplin, but Joy, Feragi, and the other two? Sure. Wasted character potential, didn't do much in the series... wouldn't mind them getting revamped by IDW someday.

Ninjinister 09-20-2016 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1625908)
Weren't the Mystic Fury turtles based on the Lost Season, or am I mixing things up? & yeah it's a shame the Inuwashi Gunjin got cancelled but we got a pretty good assortment of FF figures.

The Mystic Turtles were released closer to Mutant Nightmare so I always assumed that if that wasn't supposed to be a preview for Season 4, that they ended up porting them from the game to the series.

In addition to the Gunjin Leader and the Turtles variants planned, Biggles, President Bishop, Starlee, Triple Threat, Street Phantom, and Kanabo Splinter were shown.

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Did more than like 5 people want those, though? :tlol: I mean, Playmates knows their demographic has never been too big on human toys, barring the classic characters. I see where you guys are coming from, though.
I am still convinced that more people want stuff like that than Playmates says. And if they didn't want to just release the Acolytes as regular figs, they could have had Mutations ones that became their totems. Could've done that with Shredder and the Turtles, too. Could've had a two-pack with Splinter in his new duds plus Ancient One, could've had all of the Tribunal, a bunch of the monsters and stuff introduced in the season, the Justice Force members that never got made.... I think after watching the season I had estimated about 30 or so unique figs that could have been made, not including variants.

Powder 09-20-2016 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1625981)
In addition to the Gunjin Leader and the Turtles variants planned, Biggles, President Bishop, Starlee, Triple Threat, Street Phantom, and Kanabo Splinter were shown.

I am still convinced that more people want stuff like that than Playmates says. And if they didn't want to just release the Acolytes as regular figs, they could have had Mutations ones that became their totems. Could've done that with Shredder and the Turtles, too. Could've had a two-pack with Splinter in his new duds plus Ancient One, could've had all of the Tribunal, a bunch of the monsters and stuff introduced in the season, the Justice Force members that never got made.... I think after watching the season I had estimated about 30 or so unique figs that could have been made, not including variants.

Wait, all those characters had prototype toys shown? I'd love to see pics, if there are any! I don't mourn 'em, though.

As for the others, yeah, I'm sure some people did, maybe even a decent amount, but probably not enough to warrant making them. That's one thing I will side with Playmates on. Agree to disagree, I suppose.

CyberCubed 09-21-2016 02:50 AM

They showed a toy for Cyber Shredder from BTTS that never came out either.

Would have also liked a figure of Khan. I liked the speculation that he was one of the 4 Elite Guards which is why his character didn't seem like he came out of nowhere. Plus 4kids played the Elite Guard theme music everytime he fought in BTTS.

Ninjinister 09-21-2016 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1625989)
Wait, all those characters had prototype toys shown? I'd love to see pics, if there are any! I don't mourn 'em, though.

Here's a few courtesy of our buddy Vaughn


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSCN5055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSCN5056.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSCN5050.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSCN5045.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSCN5046.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSCN5047.jpg

CyberCubed 09-21-2016 02:58 AM

That Street Phantom looks hilarious.

Powder 09-21-2016 03:18 AM

Huh! How 'bout that. It's not often something like that escapes me, but there they are. As expected, virtually no articulation, but the paint & likenesses are mighty fine. I guess it's too bad they never made it to market, though I personally would probably have skipped all of them. Thanks for posting the shots!

wpugh2424 09-21-2016 08:25 AM

Those are sweet

CyberCubed 09-21-2016 06:16 PM

I'm surprised Starlee was going to get a figure when girl figures typically don't sell well in boys lines.

snake 09-21-2016 06:19 PM

Triple Threat is a cool looking figure. Him and President Bishop are the only real losses from those pics

TMNTFanatic4Life 09-21-2016 06:58 PM

Purple Dragon :tlol:

pferreira 09-22-2016 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Fifth Turtle (Post 1625428)
Which was odd because the tv show was made to sell the toys.

Fred Wolf says on the Turtle Power documentary he wanted to avoid making the cartoon just another toy commercial. Unfortunately we don't get to see him elaborate on that. Perhaps there's some truth in what he said? More power to him I say. The writers didn't seem to care much for the Playmates toyline. There's an episode which features the toy trashcan that flings trash and the writer makes fun of it by having the thing be completely useless. :lol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 09-27-2016 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pferreira (Post 1626311)
There's an episode which features the toy trashcan that flings trash and the writer makes fun of it by having the thing be completely useless. :lol:

Corporate Raiders from Dimension X. Not really useless when it sprayed a lot of water onto several brainwashed businessmen in a single time.

pferreira 09-29-2016 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1627779)
Corporate Raiders from Dimension X. Not really useless when it sprayed a lot of water onto several brainwashed businessmen in a single time.

I remember it flinging rubbish and completely missing it's target. Everyone seemed unimpressed. :lol:

miru 09-16-2018 05:42 PM

Heck, even the 2007 line had a few of these. For example, the Alien Hunter line. There were also going to be some in the Sub-Sewer line and the cancelled "Global Mutant Missions" line, as well as some other cancelled stuff. However, these newcomers had quite a different flavor from the old ones, and don't seem to be remembered fondly. And yeah, they should have released the Starlee figure, perhaps as a 2-pack with Cody Jones (to possibly open up a line slot for another villain character?)


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