Did you like Krang's retcon?
 

While Transdimensional turtles was good, the way they retconned Krang's origin could have been better. It was pretty much heavily implied he had a physical body. Here are a couple things of why I think it is inconsistent.

Krang never mentions his race or his race's name

Krang doesn't even look like the other Kraang. He has less tentacles, lavender eyes and is bigger and has a shade of pink instead.

We know he was banished to 2d earth but it still does not add up. We know there's a 2d earth and 3d earth. It makes sense there would be 2d and 3 d dimension x. Some will say there is only one dimension x but that could not be. Not only does 2d dimension x look different with different colors, such as 2d dimension x having a red background color in space, but there are also different versions of certain characters. 3d dimension x has it's own Tragg and Granitor just like 2d dimension x has it's own version of tragg and granitor, proving these dimensions are different. Not to mention krang has said he was a warlord in dimension x and several characters backed that up and that he wasn't banished for being an idiot.

It's not an actual retcon, the 2D-verse isn't the same universe as FW it's still within the Nick show's version of multible dimensions.

Yeah, that 2D universe was more like a parallel FW dimension where the show was made in Flash. Maybe the OT cell animated Krang is still unrelated to the Kraang.

Also, I think it was mostly a joke.

It was a good effort to be clever on the part of the Nick writers, but that's about it...

That's just fanon. I'm 100% sure TPTB fully intended that to be the actual Fred Wolf universe. If they had money for traditional cel painters and animators and all of that, they would've.

The whole "it's an alternate universe similar but not the FW Turtles" is neat but also like trying too hard. They're obviously meant to be the FW turtles even if there's inconsistencies.

As far as the inconsistencies we had a thread about it when the episode aired here on this forum, I'll edit my post if I find it. As how do I feel about it? I'm not too crazy about it but I like the universes being more connected as well so a little of both. Now I don't believe the FW Krang has an actual body, it's only ever implied but never stated outright and I prefer it that way.

It was pretty lazy. But they tried.

I actually really like Krang's retcon, and I think its perfectly reconcilable with the FW show.

The extra backstory gives us more insight into his history in Dimension X, an utrom who tried to overthrow his own race and establish a new empire, but was overpowered and banished by Subprime.

It was never explicitly stated who banished him in the OT, and I don't think the Neutrinos would've stood a chance against Krang's rock soldier army. On the contrary, the Kraang hive mind is extremely large and powerful (defeating even the Triceratons), so they would have no problem defeating a rebel amongst them, and would naturally strip Krang of his body (probably acquired via mutation) to humiliate him and banish him to 2D earth, where the Kraang wanted no involvement, instead preferring 3D earth to execute their plans.

It was more of a subtle criticism.

I bet they wouldn't.

I personally didn't care for it. OT Krang was known as an evil warlord type with his own army of rock soldiers awaiting his orders and stuff. You wouldn't get that impression from watching the Transdimensional Turtles ep.

No. Nickelodeon can pretend all that they like that the original cartoon existed within the realm of their universe, but it didn't.

Right. At face value it's cute, but watch one episode of FW and you'll see that it's irreconcilable bunk.

As per my headcanon, Krang just met the Kraang through interdimensional travel and has dealt with them in the past. But he's not an Utrom and there is still at least 4 different Dimension X's.

I didn't like Krang's retcon. It didn't make sense to me, as I always thought he had a physical body as shown in the OT episode Invasion of the Krangazoids and Krang never referred to himself as an Utrom before.

I guess the retcon doesn't really make any sense given what we knew about Krang, but then again, we are talking about a retcon to a show with two unrelated and contradictory depictions of Atlantis. I'll just pretend it's a subtle jab at the writing of the Fred Wolf cartoon and leave it at that.

That makes sense to me. I wasn't really bothered about the retcon anyway.

I liked it. I think it's silly to read too much into the OT's chronology, canon, etc. because so much of it is loose and/or contradictory. You can just kinda pick what you like, background-wise.

Don't forget that Dimension X is a DIMENSION, not a planet, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there is just one Dimension X, with many planets with similar yet different species, at least within the FW/Nick universes. This could mean that Krang's species could be a shoot off or perhaps the original version of Nick's Utroms, or they're related in some way, or perhaps they aren't related at all but look fairly similar.

I do like the one Dimension X theory.

In my head, I like to imagine Dimension X is both the dimension of the Archie comics as well as containing a galaxy (X-shaped, as we see in Adventures) that contains what we traditionally think of as Dimension X. In that, there is the Fred Wolf Krang, the Kraang, and whatever that is in the latest "film."

Even IDW? That means yet another Krang, a second planet Neutrino, etc.

I'm not sure I understand this correctly, the OT universe is entirely separate from Nick's. Only Krang is said to originate from their universe.

I used to think of Dimension X as one as well, glad I'm not the only one.

That's where it gets less tidy. Unless we assume it's the same planet Neutrino as in the FW show... just further in time, maybe.

Eh. Zak, Dask and Kala would have said something, plus princess Trib vs. Tribble and a million other contradictions.

I love multiverse crap as much as the next guy, but it has to make sense.

There's 3 different versions of Krang himself. The original Fred Wolf, the Archie version, and the IDW version.

My personal issue with the retcon is Krang being SubPrime's cousin. Unless they mean it in a sense of comradery, but if they mean literally? I doubt it very much.

I would believe if they made contact across dimensions, but I don't believe them being actual relatives. It sure puts a big question mark on how the Nick Utroms do family groups.

I think you could reconcile those two Krangs into one.

Right. Because FW didn't have any inconsistencies with Krang's origin or anything else for that matter.

This. Nick gets an A for effort, but it just doesn't work out. To many inconsistencies in FW itself to try to make it make sense with the new show.

It makes about as much sense as anything that's presented -- often conflictingly -- about Krang in FW. And Nick kind of gets to dictate what's what in that regard now.

I have no horse in this race, I just like to compartmentalize the different universes into tidy places like I did in "Odyssey." The one messy spot is Dimension X.

I felt like he simply got shoehorned into the episode.
Don't get me wrong, it was a decent episode, but it could have been better (by being a little less awkward in certain areas.)

Personally, I'd say when you're watching the Nick cartoon, it's probably best to pretend the Nick cartoon isn't the fourth or sixth TV show based on TMNT (depending on how you count FF and BttS) and just see it as it's own independent thing. That way you'll avoid jumping through mental hoops.

Why would anyone count FF or BTTS as a separate show from the 2k3 series? They're just new seasons with a subtitle rebranding. Even the episode count number continues and they're considered Season 6 and 7.

Yeah I don't get that, makes sense to me.

If it's a jab it's a very, very, very subtle jab i.e. wishful thinking on your part because I definitely don't think that's what they intended.

I like the idea of Krang being separated from his body. It's a more interesting, horrifically implied backstory for me. I do wish they could have included the backstory presented in Season 6.

And once again you have proven your inability to understand humor... Hell, You've even missed the keyword "pretend".

I liked the retcon, since I thought it made the show more fun and tied the two shows together.

Granted, the '80s cartoon doesn't mesh perfectly with the Nick show (but it is a parallel universe within Nick's multiverse and does fit a lot better than it did with 2k3, IMHO). On the other hand, the '80s show had a loose continuity and contradicted itself quite a bit already, so it's not like the retcon makes anything worse.

And while a big deal is made of the fact that Nick claims that '80s Krang was a Utrom/Kraang banished to the '80s universe when in the '80s cartoon pilot he claims to be a disembodied brain, in "The Four Musketrutles," we see that Krang's species are indeed brain-like Utroms. So, there is a president for him not having an actual body.

So, in conclusion, since the retcon is confirming something that was already contradicted and the '80s show already has a loose continuity, I see no reason to reject the retcon.

(In regards to why Krang doesn't look like a Nick Utrom, I would theorize that the Utroms are multiracial, for lack of a better word. His saying that he had once had a body could be either chalked up to a continuity error we ignore or a lie he told to get '80s Shredder to build him a new robot suit.)

Krang being Utrom (I'm speaking generally here, not justin regards to the Fred Wolf cartoon or TDT) is probably for the best, if his original backstory was kept then you'd have ignore the Utroms or have the coincidence that this Utrom-like thing just co-exists with them.

Some could say they are multiracial but I doubt it though. Virtually all of the Kraang look like with the exception of Subprime and Prime. They say he was banished from 3D Dimension X, and went to 2D Earth but that couldn't be. He said 2D dimension x was his home dimension and 3D and 2D dimension X have their own versions of Tragg and Granitor.

Him being disembodied is more interesting and would explain why he was so upset from losing his body, even so much as he didn't want his Rock Soldiers to look at him the way he is. If he was always a brain like alien, why would Tragg be so surprised of Krang's appearance?

Plus Krang was out of character. They made him into a joke instead of being a fearsome warlord, which he was in 2D Dimension X and the fact he was willing to blow up realities just to get rid of the Turtles. He was trying to make amends but for him to go out of his way to do something so extreme is out of character. He never regarded the Turtles as major enemies, just beings that annoyed him. This is something the Shredder would do, but even that would be stretching it. The only Shredder I know that would do that is Chrell, as he actually attempted to do that.

So many people seem to forget about mutagen when it comes to talking about Krangs backstory. Since he used the mutagen to turn ordinary rocks into his loyal soldiers (as confirmed in the episode Michelangelo's Birthday), there's no reason for him not to use on himself and become a reptilian monster. Thus, he is still technically an utrom and was able to acquire his body via mutation before Subprime stripped him of his body via de-mutation in order to humiliate him before having him banished to 2D Earth.

And I agree with Dimension X being the same in OT and Nick. It may seem different because its an entire dimension, not just one planet, so its bound to look very different in places. Some areas of Dimension X could be 3D, pink and have giant worms/rock soldiers, while other areas could have a red sky and be 2D. Dimension X is very unstable and unpredictable after all.

Krang and Subprime don't have to be literal first cousins, I don't even think thats possible since I doubt the Kraang breed in the same way as humans and animals. However, its much more feasible to suggest that Krang wasn't a literal first cousin, but a cousin species, in the sense that Dogs and wolves are cousins descended from a common ancestor. Thus, this would explain why Krang has a similar body shape yet different appearance to the Kraang.

I'd like to think Krang had gone insane by that point :lol:

While its true Krang wasn't initially occupied with the Turtles as first and regarded them as mere annoyances, as the classic series progressed, he started to become more-turtle obsessed. Sure, he never went to the same levels as Shredder (who went back in time to the 1500s or tried to kill the turtles when they were elderly in the future), but Krang still was much more hung up on destroying the turtles in say, season 6 than in season 2, where he was primarily concerned with his operations in Dimension X.

In my personal headcanon, Transdimensional Turtles takes place right after the OT episode Shredder Triumphant and before the episode Get Shredder, thus explaining how Krang needed the Krang to get to Dimension X and was seperated from the technodrome at the end. After being constantly defeated by the turtles so many times, he finally snapped after he lost the technodrome, causing him to resort to trying to destroy all the turtle realities in his insane outburst.

Hmm, interesting. Retcon aside, the mutagen would definitely be an explanation for his reptilian form contradicting what was previously shown.