Earth's Last Stand DVD
 

Just saw this advertised, I've collected all of them so far, but haven't been very happy with any of the episodes since about Showdown in Dimension X.
What say you - worth buying or would that be throwing good money after bad ?

I personally would not buy that myself. Remember, we're talking about "The Ever Burning Fire" to "Bat in the Belfry" here.

P.S. Don't you mean the first season finale (simply known as "Showdown") or "The War for Dimension X" from this season?

Most of these were great episodes.

Name them then.

There is not a great episode on this list except for the non-April parts of "Bat in the Belfry"! The only other one that comes close to being a great episode is "Broken Foot" and even then it suffered from poor rationalization and forced (if not cliche) writing. The rest are awful to mediocre.

LOL, what? I pretty much enjoyed all those episodes, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

That's why others here including myself can't take you seriously.

I'm going to keep these short: "Ever Burning Fire" was mediocre w/ Dregg going out with a whimper being the low point. ELS was an absolute mess for a LOT of reasons! "City at War" was the definition of a rushed episode! "The Insecta Trifecta" was a mixed bag in terms of comedy and Raph's internal conflict was mostly poorly dramatized. "Mutant Gangland" was no "Casey Jones vs the Underworld"! MG was an episode you couldn't take seriously, but it was also messy without much to compensate for that. And I just talked about "Broken Foot" and "Bat in the Belfry."

By calling these great episodes, you're putting them up there with the likes of "Never Say Xever", "The Gauntlet", "Vengeance is Mine", "Enemy of my Enemy", "Annihilation: Earth!", "Tale of the Yokai", "Into Dimension X", "Slash and Destroy", and "The Invasion." And you're telling me that the "Earth's Last Stand" episodes are great?! That's not fair. If you really think they are "great episodes" you need your head examined...as if your disregard for plot inconsistencies and the belief that there aren't any problems with continuity in this series aren't enough.

You can't take me seriously because I said I liked those episodes? What is your problem, lately? You seem to be bothered by people liking or saying things you disagree with.

I liked those episodes. I didn't say all of them were great, some were fairly average or "just ok" but I didn't dislike them.

And I absolutely loved "Mutant Gangland," Insect Trifecta" the last few space eps, and the first City at War ep was Ok too. If you looked through the review threads you would see many people who liked those episodes.

My "problem" is that I'm trying to be fair! You never do! You can't just say that an episode is great or is better than this one without making a point or establishing a good and reasonable case. Saying that these episodes are just as good if not better than the ones I just mentioned would be like saying that Bryce Harper is a better baseball player than Babe Ruth. It's not fair.

What is so hard about realizing people can like episodes just as much as others? As I said, go look through the review threads for the episodes, you'll see plenty of other people on this forum who liked those episodes. In fact I remember nearly all of them getting positive reviews but a few.

Are the episodes on this DVD better than the ones I just mentioned? Are they even as good as them?

Do you actually realize what you're doing? You're enforcing your opinions onto others and saying they can't like episodes because of previous episodes.

I liked "Mutant Gangland" just as much as many of the best episodes of the earlier season. So why are you telling me I can't like an episode? It's like you're trying to speak for other people here, everyone can see what you're doing.

You can't put "Mutant Gangland" up there as one of the best. It's not even as good as those from 'the earlier season'. When you look back on this series, "Tale of the Yokai" and "Annihilation: Earth!" are episodes you would remember. Even looking back on this season (let alone the series), you would not remember "Mutant Gangland." No one would! To put "Mutant Gangland" up there with episodes that tried to be good and succeeded is not fair.

An episode doesn't have to be "important to the story" to be good. I thought the episode was great because of the gangsters fighting the Mutanimals, I remember the action scenes being very well done in the episode, I enjoyed the way the Mutanimals and Casey were in the episode, and so forth.

Saying "No one would put an episode up there with eps that tried to be good" once again sounds like you're speaking for other people.

Of course. "Bat in the Belfry" for example was at its best when it focused on W&S and the satire on comics it was having fun with. "Never Say Xever", "Into Dimension X", "Turtles in Time", "Tale of the Yokai", etc. were also good filler episodes.

There have been lots of fights in this series! Plus, the fights in that episode were nowhere close to being as good as in episodes such as "Never Say Xever". Everyone remembers how good and fluid the turtles moved in that first fight scene and the direction was handled excellently. Compared to episodes such as that, the fights in this were basic if not choppy at points.

The Mutanimals weren't in "Casey Jones vs the Underworld" and Casey wasn't in "Mutant Gangland". And even then, so what? Those are not dominant factors either way. What is a dominant factor is how they're used! Just being there isn't enough you should know that!

Casey was a big part of CJvtU and he was utilized excellently. The Mutanimals, other than showing how they've become able to fight as a team at the end of their fight against Hammer, were fractured and not utilized very well in MG. They've been better character-wise in other episodes. They also obviously had to deal with the transition from Pigeon Pete to Mondo Gecko, it was also not handled very well.

I find it ironic how Cubeycubes is saying others are forcing their opinions on others when that's all he does. You can't say one negative thing about a tmnt series he likes without him posting to its defense seconds later, even if it's unwarranted. And his main defense is always 'what, but I enjoyed -insert episode here-' as if you say that if HE enjoyed it, then certainly everybody else in the entire tmnt Fandom MUST have enjoyed it too or they're simply insane. That is not a defense or an excuse for a bad episode. You liking it doesn't help or hinder the case.

So is this set in order or just random episodes thrown together like that Pulverizer dvd?

It's episodes 13-19 of Season 4: "The Ever Burning Fire", "Earth's Last Stand", "City at War", "Broken Foot", "The Insecta Trifecta", "Mutant Gangland", and "Bat in the Belfry." So yes, it's in order. Whether you think that's something you want to add to your DVD collection is up to you but like I said, I wouldn't.

You wouldn't? But... but CyberCubed loved those episodes. It doesn't make sense why you wouldn't??? I'm confused.

But seriously though I probably will since I did like the back to Earth and back to the Foot episodes. The Eps might not be perfect but I do like the Karai/Shinigami/human foot angle.

This happened to me the other week when I put The Power Inside Her at no 3 in How You Rank Season 4 thread and TMNTInsighter tells me that episode is poor and I shouldn't put it in the top 10. I was like err hello it's my opinion not yours deal with it.

TMNTInsighter doesn't respect other peoples opinions and he thinks he's right all time. Seriously he needs to grow up and start appreciating other peoples opinions.

I just wanted to hear your side on it. I'm a hard reviewer and I feel I have to be in order to be fair. I always make a case before I rank an episode and if I see something like TPIH being #3 out of 22 or something like that, I'd like to know since I said back then that it seemed like you give the recent episodes an advantage over the old ones just b/c they're new. And also like I said, we can get into the debate when the season is over and we have all our rankings done...which unfortunately seems like it may take place in 2020 or something like that :lol:. I feel like you and victory_angel are the most sensible reviewers here so a take on why your rankings are the way they are is what I would've like to see. That's all.

And...I enjoyed those episodes. As I said, go look through the episode review threads both here and other places, and you'll see plenty of people enjoyed those episodes.

Well that's them. I'm a tough reviewer/critic and I feel I have to be in order to be fair ("an acquired taste" as others might call it). You and those guys are obviously easy-going/soft/easily-satisfied reviewers who probably do or probably don't care about being fair with how you judge and/or rank what you watch.

The overwhelming majority of reviews were favorable. I also loved the Baxter/Scumbug/Antrax episode.

I'm harsh on this show too, but even I loved Mutant Gangland and Insecta Trifecta. Not so much the rest, but that's me.

CyberCubed gave logical and purely subjective reasons as to why he likes those episodes, no need to force your opinion on everyone else like it's fact, Insighter. You're taking a subjective statement of your own and making out to be objective. Stop it. You can just not buy the DVD, and CyberCubed can buy the DVD if he so chooses. Everyone wins.

The way I look at it is that while art may be subjective, most of the time it's also entertainment. Sports is also entertainment and we have tons of outlets, critics, and personalities (they're paid too mind you) to determine who the best teams, players, etc. are through analysis, introspection, and debate. There are also standards to determine what is a great movie, TV show, etc.

That's why some movies (ex. "Citizen Kane", "The Godfather", "Schindler's List", etc.) are heralded as the greatest, and we also have critics and the Academy to help determine that. Are they (as well as the sports outlets & critics) always right? No! But the fact that 1) you can't be objective about this stuff and 2) you can be objective about sports (at least in a way) but never about this kind of entertainment, is a load of bull! So let's just debate! No one's getting banned from this place or going to jail and having the key thrown away if they're wrong--or could be wrong--about something here, so let's just debate. 'Kay?

P.S. I myself am never always right here but I am always fair and/or honest. If someone makes a good case, or even a good rebuttal (even if it's against me), I'm going to listen and concede to them. The opposite? Not so much.

Interesting to compare the VUDU "volume 8" episode listing with the DVD listing:
http://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content...rtles-Volume-8

You say this and yet when somebody comes to you with logical arguments (in this very thread, even), you don't listen and simply continue on, with no real argument of your own.

These episodes have problems, but that doesn't have to hinder enjoyment. I like the movie Aladdin. It has very big faults but I still like to watch it. Just because it isn't one of the greatest Disney movies of all time, then by your logic, it's not okay for me to watch it. Let people buy the DVDs they want to buy. Leave the "good rebuttals" for other threads where they are welcomed. 'Kay?

1) I have conceded before but you either never checked or you're just letting your current emotional state get in the way here. Not to mention that those were not logical arguments by Cyber and you know it. If you looked at so many of the stuff this guy has said as well, you'd know he hardly uses logic.
2) Aladdin is not a bad movie! I don't know where you came up with that but you can not drag that into this (obviously) personal and self righteous crusade against me, that's not fair.

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For real though, there's already a thread for this release: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=56592

And that has nothing to do with anything. Again, maybe YOU liked them, it doesn't mean every tmnt fan ever has to as well.

What on earth are you talking about? I was responding to a guy who said I can't like those episodes, and I said I liked them.

Did you even follow the conversation or are just randomly quoting posts without context?

No but it's the same thing you always do. You like/dislike something and expect everyone else to do too. And when someone points out valid reasons why they do or don't like something your usual answer is 'lol what? But I liked/disliked this' as if that was the bottom line.

I said I liked those episodes.

The episode ranking thread, your anger against Powder over the Splinter scenario earlier this year, getting mad at me for changing Cube's point on City at War... sorry, but no. Aaron in addition to myself have got our emotions in check 99% of the time, but you have snapped before. Considering the same with what happened to Cube right on this thread, you're not proving to us otherwise. No, I don't agree with him (hell, the "LOL, what?" gets mundane) but he did provide reason to like the episodes. Lay off him; believe me, it's more annoying in other threads involving General Discussion rather than just TMNT.
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Since we're discussing "great" episodes, anyone mind telling me how Bat in the Belfry was satire or remotely good? All I saw was a 60's Batman love fest with Wingnut and Screwloose that got annoying during it's montage; that's not charming or satirized material, it's a chore to sit through. The April plot wasn't much better. Literally, the two things I liked in the episode were the voices of the duo in addition to the comic debate at the beginning, that's it. I wouldn't say I'm a super hero buff by any means, but if I saw "satire", I'd be seeking cliches made fun of, sorta like the cartoons within this show.

Literally, the only two episodes I fully enjoyed were Ever-Burning Fire and Mutant Gangland. They're not without their flaws, but they're enjoyable in their own rights. The others not so much.
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I digress either way, but I'd say just watch the episodes online if you find a good site. If you're a collector of TMNT or like the episodes, purchase it or wait for the complete fourth season DVD when it comes out. No harm, no foul.

Picked it up this today. Completely missed it when it came back from break after they saved earth. Caught some of them on demand the wednesday before thanksgiving. I think i have only seen ever burning fire, earth's last stand and bat in the belfry. I might have seen mutant gangland. I love the pull tabs they have been giving us. Raph's looks the best of the bunch so I can't wait for Donatello.

I bought a copy from Wal-mart since it came with a VUDU digital redemption code. I had a little trouble redeeming it because VUDU had previously only made the TMNT show available for purchase in "Volumes" or as individual episodes. The previous DVD carried a redemption for the equivalent of "Volume 7," which had two extra episodes than were contained on the DVD.

VUDU has a listing for "Volume 8" but that includes the episodes "City at War" through "The Power Inside Her," which is considerably different than the DVD episode list. After some customer service help, I was able to redeem Earth's Last Stand for the exact number of episodes on the disc, though with the bonus of having the digital copies in HDX as opposed to Standard definition.

They must have fixed it, but it's still weird. Instead of Volume 8, the episodes are just labelled as "Bundle".