Who dislikes what they've done to April's character?
 

I think in the later half of season three and four I've grown to dislike April's character. In the first two seasons I felt she was fine but now..

A. Too much focus

B. Over doing it with the powers

C. Giving her powers at all

Any one else feel this way?

1. We've had this discussion several times before, we've had plenty of April threads. I don't see why we need another.

2. Sorry, but it would be best if this thread was locked.

Well, even if I didn't like what they did to her character, I hope we can agree that the things you mentioned about April will be toned down now that she has finally let go of the crystal and the Dark April saga is over.

I'm not crazy about the whole special powers thing, esp now that she's gone all X-Men or whatever. I did like that it recently became a problem.. too bad it won't remain an issue in some way. I mean it was fun when she ended up possessed, but outside of that one ep... eh.

Would have rather it stopped at vague psychic impressions. Although I suppose I can give them credit that the progression was done slowly over time. Too bad the Turtles' own progression kind of got sidelined in favor of hers.

When Casey is their most normal human friend now... Yeah.

D, all of the above.

They really should've focused on April's history and how she was created rather than giving her new powers

Someday there will be an April that is just a well rounded character, and not a damsel in distress or a McGuffin in sneakers.

Someday.
But it is not THIS day.

I don't think it will ever happen. :tgrumble:

We've had plenty of well handled April's in the series, and Nick's April fits this universe just fine.

My problem is just that she sounds more and more like a bad self insert fanfic character. You know, like the one that's half saiyan, half namekian, is also a Green Lantern, a demon and was trained by Bruce Lee and is a love interest for a main character . April so far is half Kraang, immune to Mutagen, has Jean Grey powers, is in a l9ve triangle and is a full fledged ninja. Please let's stop it here before they also make her fly, teleport, and Shredder's real long lost daughter (since karai was never really his biological daughter) or some crap.

I made these points about how bad April is, but certain people on here think I am talking crazy. I thin she has become SO annoying in the last couple of seasons.

To be fair, all of those powers are related to each other. She's immune to mutagen because of the Kraang/Utrom genetics. She has those powers because she's half Kraang/Utrom (because that's what they are at their cores, just trapped under the power of one individual) and has been learning to use those powers - granted, without anyone to train really train her and the Aeons inadvertently screwed up by giving her a crystal.

Imagine giving a newborn lamb of a novice digital artist the most high-tech graphic tablet there is with no instruction, telling them it would help her learn - and you're an professional architect with decades of experience. Also, that graphic tablet has the ghost of a long-dead architect that makes the digital arts student have Gollum levels of possessiveness over it.

It's all still very half baked, the phrase I always use regarding this telling of TMNT, and there's pretty much nothing that can be done to fix it at this point.

Coola, you know good and well this is not true. She has one Kraang related backstory which is why she was able to develop telekinesis and its the only one they developed throughout the show. Stop acting like these are different things when they're all related.

I applaud your way with words. :tlol:

Not every writer knows the difference between character traits and characterization period when you can't do the latter you pile on the former.

I hazard to say that every iteration of April has had the same problem. And since she's usually the only primary female character, it leads to some rather uncomfortable conclusions regarding writers and their ability to write female characters.

Coola never said April had more than one backstory also April displayed telepathy and illusion casting so yeah she has more than one psychic ability

I don't necessarily have a problem with her having powers. But I do feel like the writers haven't been clear and consistent with her powers. Of course it is possible that everything that I'm unclear about has been explained. But since I get so bored watching the show, I just wasn't paying close enough attention when everything was explained.

April isn't the only character with powers on this show, Rockwell whose the mutant monkey from the Mutanimals has psychic powers too.

No one said she was the only one with powers

Also Rockwell wasn't based on a preexisting tmnt character that didn't have powers originally.

The funny thing is, the freakier they make april, the more her relationship with Donnie makes sense. It's not really beastiality anymore since we know that, looks aside, April is anything but human.

What.

The.

Fvck.

I guess the creators of the show wanted April to be more relatable with the Turtles, by making her half human half alien, its the only way they can justify the whole Apritelo thing.

I concur, what the phuck?

Just what the hell are you even talking about there, Coola? How did you connect Rockwell and/or her powers to the Donnie thing? What did you mean by "naked April"? How are psychic powers in any way a disqualifier for humanity? What you said seems so bizarre to me.

If you meant the Utrom DNA, then she's still human, she's just the result of the Kraang experimenting on humans. Even if it did disqualify her humanity, she's still not the same species as Donnie, it's still weird even if neither is human.

Whoah, what in the world are you talking about? Something about naked April getting beastiality freaky? :teek::???:

Anyways...getting back to the actual topic, I hate what they did to April. She's now a Jean Grey/Alien Hybrid/Psychic Mary Sue, and that's just stupid to me.

You know, it took me a while to think about my feelings regarding April’s character and whether or not I feel she’s hijacking the story, and I actually don’t feel she is. Feels balanced to me. As for her powers, I guess, for me, they don’t particularly bother me, or either it’s gotten to the point where it just doesn’t faze me anymore. I’ve always been a bit indifferent about them, actually, although, I kind of prefer her not to fight alongside the Turtles…but then that would’ve been boring to have Casey there and no April. They made them their peers for a reason…to have the palling around with the Turtles more since they’re all in the same age range.

Going back to her powers, I will say this…at least they were consistent, imo. They gradually improved. I mean, it was being set up back in season 1 that something was up with her. She had that enhanced sixth sense thing going on, which was something she’d always, apparently had prior to meeting the Turtles. She said as much…well, that was my inference anyway. Splinter started training her and not only her physical abilities, but her mind as well. To me, it’s obvious that she actually applied what she learned from him (Dream Beaver episode, imo, for example).

Beyond season 1 and stuff, when her powers seemed to be overpowering (like Mom thing ep) made complete sense to me. I noticed by that point, that whenever April was emotionally distressed or upset, she had no control over what happened. I also noticed that her powers at that point seemed to react whenever around anything connected to the Kraang. So yeah, it was pretty consistent to me.

So yeah, I guess I have no problem with her powers because they didn’t just slap us in the face with them. It was gradually built up (and, it’s not like she figured this stuff on her own, she was trained by Splinter and the Fugitoid) and with the Aeon Crystal being history, it’ll go back to being downgraded, more than likely. I don’t think we’ll get anymore levitating Tessen action in the way that it was done in the Super Shredder episode. lol

I think the only thing that bugs me about April, is when she does sense something that you don’t need psychic ability for…unless it’s used for a joke, in an ironic sense.

Oh something else that bothered me…times that both she and Casey should’ve been shishkebobbed being amateur fighters and all that. *coughs*firsttimetheyencounteredfootbots*coughs* lol So yeah, aside from those few nitpicks, I guess I generally don’t have a problem with April. I guess I’m more so in the middle.

Oh, I do hope they close up the story regarding her mother and what actually happened to her. I would hate for that to become a sacrificed storyline due to the fact that season 5 looks to be the final season.

Omg that is the worst auto-correct ever. I meant to say the freakier they MAKE April.... as in give her more powers and whatnot.

Suuuuure, it was just auto-correct. :lol:

Yeah. It's why I wish they just kept her abilities limited to just simple sensing of emotions or of any mutants in the area, or have the Kraang DNA removed (maybe by the Utroms?)

Plus the powers make her feel unhuman. There is no sense of risk or danger anymore once her powers get beyond a certain point, because she can effectively counter attacks, or create illusions, or use telekinesis or use mind blasts, or see through a mutant's eyes. And who can counter her after that? Rockwell? Only if his powers can grow at the same clip as hers.

She used to be a fun character, but now she's just another symptom of ongoing problems with this show. Once a character is overpowered, there becomes few problems they can't overcome, and no longer is there a struggle or vehicle for development. They become static and boring, they just exist to hang around and provide fireworks. And if the creator tries to push them into the scene or be the 5th Turtle, they get annoying and soon become The Scrappy.

Doncha just hate it when you're trying to Google peak oil or electoral college reform, but autocorrect gives you midget porn instead? I tell ya... happens all the blinkin' time.

:lol: Haha, "naked April". Are we talking about the Nick April or are we talking about the porn April O'Neil now? Cause I'm up for discussing either one.

As I've said before, I don't hate what they've done with April's character I just don't like how they've handled it. They've been so over the place with her history & origins, her powers, her kunoichi skills (or more probably her powers VS. her kunoichi skills :lol:), her relationship/non-relationship-as-of-late with her father, who the important man in her life should be, as well as how to answer all that with all the other stuff they've had to cover in this series that it's been kind of a mess.

You know, thinking about it, I find this more of a bother than most anything else concerning April. I think it’s outright weird that they haven’t had her talk about her father much, especially after returning to earth after their space adventure. I liked the fact that Casey seemed to have other things to do, which was why he wasn’t around for some eps, but I feel they should do the same with April from time-to-time to show that she does at least have a life outside of the turtles.

I'm a bit torn about April's character. On the one hand it's interesting to see her become a kunoichi and to see her struggle with her powers and identity. I do wish they would revisit her mother and what happened with the Kraang. On the other hand, April has always been the turtles' link to the outside, human world and though she still is, her character is missing a bit that sense of normalcy that she would bring to the turtles' lives. Especially as of late since we haven't seen or heard about her dad or school. She has definitely become much more a part of the turtles' lives rather than bringing them out into the world.

*Sigh* The thing is, it never WAS bestiality. The definition of that term is sexual intercourse with a non-sentient ANIMAL incapable of giving consent or of understanding morality and/or emotional ramifications of such a pairing. Donatello does not meet those criteria, as A) he is fully sentient, B) he is no longer an "animal" in the traditional sense (he's closer to a human given the radical alteration of his physical and mental attributes), and C) he is fully capable of giving consent and understanding all the consequences of being in a relationship with April- perhaps in his case TOO aware. So no, it was NEVER "bestiality" of any kind.

Keep in mind, I say this as someone who has a background as a fantasy/sci-fi gamer/fan, who has played Dungeons and Dragons for DECADES (where orcs, elves, and even dragons commonly mate with and form relationships with humans or other species) and who is thoroughly familiar with literary and media pairings like Aragorn/Arwen, or Captain Kirk and- any alien chick he met. Or Drizzt and Cattie-Brie, or Superman/Lois, Johnny Storm and Crystal of the Inhumans, etc.... The point is, such interspecies matches are only as weird as a person wants to make them. Beast is about as "animal-like" as one can get, but would anyone really argue it as bestiality if he had a thing with a human? Or Azazel (a demon) and Mystique(a mutant). Two completely different species, but they had a child (Nightcrawler)! And both are just as "human" as, say, Mar-Jane. (In the sense that they share emotional and intellectual capabilities, basic physiological similarities, etc.)



There's really no NEED to "justify" it. IT's NOT weird or abnormal. It's a NORMAL emotional and (possibly) physical attraction to a member of whatever gender they prefer. Like Starly and Cody. Or maybe Starfire and Robin. Beast-boy and Raven. Heck, even Data had his "fling" with Tasha. The list could go on.



See above. Nothing weird about it. They like each other. It's as simple (or complicated, depending on do in-depth you want to look at it) as that. Why is that so hard for people to grasp? Alien, mutant, or human- it's all the same when it comes to things like love, friendship, or family.

And here... we... go.

Lock this thread, it's going down in flames.

Once April can rise the dead, that is when she is op.

Oh Leo got his head cut off, no problem, she just rearrange his molecules and ka zam, Leo is a ok. What she did to Don at the end, pretty much prove that from this point on, she is GOD, or a Goddess.

I don't think so. Donatello wasn't even dead, his molecules were just scattered. She's never been shown to heal injuries.

And if your "molecules" are scattered all over the place, your pretty much dead. :lol: A lot of weapons can scattered your molecules like April did to Donatello, and non of em are coming back. She killed him off. She didn't zap him to other plain of living or something, she rip him limb from limb, organ from organ and plus some.

It’s cartoon logic. They had to bring him back somehow. No blood or anything when Donnie went poof. Kinda reminds me of an old Duck Dodgers cartoon short. They had a disintegrating ray. Daffy said he was wearing a disintegrator-proof vest. I think it was Marvin the Martian. He shot him, and the only thing left was the vest. Porky came in with a Undisintigrater or Resinigrator ( or something) ray and brought him back together. This show gets cartoony sometimes. lol

But yeah, they had to bring Donnie back in some way. He’s a main character. I just couldn’t see them permanently killing off a main character that’s a good guy. In other words, I can’t imagine any of the Turtles being permanently killed off. Close calls, yeah, perm, no. Supporting cast, yes. Villains, yes. Turtles, no.

I agree.

I mean Leo should have died several times over the course of the show. Season 1 he nearly drowns and somehow inexplicably manages to escape a sinking structure that should have sucked him underwater by it's mass alone.

Season two Leo falls into a pool of frozen water which could have caused a number of frost and cold related issues not counting being cold blooded. This of course, weakens him severely, but it's also what saves him when the Shredder strikes him down. But of course they can't have a turtle die, so he's in a hibernative coma (Hibernative since Turtles naturally hibernate in the winter, and coma because extended period of unconsciousness caused by injury or trauma.) for three smonths.

Season 4: Leo's helmet cracks and Donnie restarts Leo's heart again using his space-bo staff as a defibrillator.

Realistically Leo would be stone cold dead by the time they got to him.

So yeah...if they did go the issue 44 route, they would probably have it be something hokey like having said turtle be revived by the tears of his loved ones.