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turtlefanforever 12-06-2016 07:27 AM

Saban The Next Mutation resurrection
 
With all the nostalgia going on and the 3rd wave of turtlemania how come Saban never tried to resurrect The Next Mutation? power rangers is still going strong. would have been a perfect time to a year or two ago.

neatoman 12-06-2016 07:48 AM

Because Saban doesn't have the rights to make more TMNT material? What's so hard to understand about that? Even if they did, Next Mutation wasn't as successful as Power Rangers, so there would be no point to it. By the way, I don't think Power Rangers is still going because of popularity, I think it has more to do with the fact that it's a glorified dub of Super Sentai.

As for a "turtlemania"? Let's face it, the Nick TMNT show was not popular enough to constitute another "turtlemania". There was a brief spike in interest when it first launched, but that's really all it was.

turtlefanforever 12-06-2016 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1644549)
Because Saban doesn't have the rights to make more TMNT material? What's so hard to understand about that? Even if they did, Next Mutation wasn't as successful as Power Rangers, so there would be no point to it. By the way, I don't think Power Rangers is still going because of popularity, I think it has more to do with the fact that it's a glorified dub of Super Sentai.

As for a "turtlemania"? Let's face it, the Nick TMNT show was not popular enough to constitute another "turtlemania". There was a brief spike in interest when it first launched, but that's really all it was.

Saban has the rights to The Next Mutation.

ToTheNines 12-06-2016 10:16 AM

Oh my god, stop.

neatoman 12-06-2016 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever (Post 1644565)
Saban has the rights to The Next Mutation.

They can make DVDs but they can't make new episodes, they don't have the license.

CyberCubed 12-06-2016 01:39 PM

This is one of the worst threads I've seen posted here in a while. There's no way a fully grown adult can't tell the difference between what companies own a franchise.

AquaParade 12-06-2016 01:42 PM

Gosh, there are some rude responses in this thread. Maybe I'm missing something, but it really makes this place unpleasant.

No interest in Seeing Next Mutation revived even if the rights were all in order, however.

CyberCubed 12-06-2016 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1644602)
Gosh, there are some rude responses in this thread. Maybe I'm missing something, but it really makes this place unpleasant. .

Its a combination of the level of ignorance and possible potential trolling. The thread starter is known to hate on the Nick cartoon mindlessly despite only ever watching 1 episode.

Autbot_Benz 12-06-2016 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever (Post 1644548)
With all the nostalgia going on and the 3rd wave of turtlemania how come Saban never tried to resurrect The Next Mutation? power rangers is still going strong. would have been a perfect time to a year or two ago.

Easy the show was a pile of Sewage crap. Give it up man TNM is like Bayturtles its Dead keep it that way.

Aaronardo 12-06-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever (Post 1644548)
With all the nostalgia going on and the 3rd wave of turtlemania how come Saban never tried to resurrect The Next Mutation? power rangers is still going strong. would have been a perfect time to a year or two ago.

Congratulations, you're the only person in the world who doesn't even tolerate Season 1 of the Nick series but wants TNM to get a reboot.

There are three main reasons why Saban has never tried this:
  1. The show wasn't successful to begin with.
  2. Saban doesn't so much as have the rights to make any new TMNT products (they have licensing rights for ONLY The Next Mutation).
  3. There is a very large general consensus that TNM was utter f*cking garbage and should never be mentioned ever again.

snake 12-06-2016 03:55 PM

Lol third wave of turtlemania


Yeah ok

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 12-06-2016 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo (Post 1644626)
Congratulations, you're the only person in the world who doesn't even tolerate Season 1 of the Nick series but wants TNM to get a reboot.

There are three main reasons why Saban has never tried this:
  1. The show wasn't successful to begin with.
  2. Saban doesn't so much as have the rights to make any new TMNT products (they have licensing rights for ONLY The Next Mutation).
  3. There is a very large general consensus that TNM was utter f*cking garbage and should never be mentioned ever again.

Again, I gotta applaud somebody's way with words! Kudos. :tlol:

Autbot_Benz 12-06-2016 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo (Post 1644626)
Congratulations, you're the only person in the world who doesn't even tolerate Season 1 of the Nick series but wants TNM to get a reboot.

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what do you expect he is a troll

IndigoErth 12-06-2016 04:25 PM

Besides... while TMNT franchise may have it's goofy side, it presumably didn't take them long to figure out that their Power Rangers formula does not at all work for TMNT.

It's a guilty pleasure now as the terrible short lived thing it was, but trying to resurrect a series like that is just going to be history repeating itself.

Sabacooza 12-06-2016 04:39 PM

Instead of resurrecting the Next Mutation which wasn't well received by most TMNT fans, why not do a live action series with a look and feel similar to the 1990 movie? Let's try leaving all the cheesy cartoonish stuff behind and have a more serious take for once. Everyone says the Daredevil Netflix series is great. Maybe take some cues from that?

ToTheNines 12-06-2016 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1644602)
Gosh, there are some rude responses in this thread. Maybe I'm missing something

He's a troll.

AquaParade 12-06-2016 07:08 PM

Apologies if I spoke too soon.

turtle1237 12-06-2016 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz (Post 1644606)
Easy the show was a pile of Sewage crap. Give it up man TNM is like Bayturtles its Dead keep it that way.

TNM makes the Bayturtles look like acclaim Oscar winning movies. Megan Fox's buttshot would get the trophy for best actress from the first film lol. And the CGI would get best picture.

Xav 12-06-2016 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1644639)
Besides... while TMNT franchise may have it's goofy side, it presumably didn't take them long to figure out that their Power Rangers formula does not at all work for TMNT.

How the heck is Next Mutation in the Power Rangers formula? Other than both being live action kids shows made by Saban they have nothing in common.

Candy Kappa 12-07-2016 01:29 AM

Despite doing well when it aired, it's not a very good show or a interesting universe for the most part. And it's on Netflix for those who want to watch it, plus TNM was re-released back in 2012-2013.

ProactiveMan 12-07-2016 02:11 AM

I dunno, with better writing and less goofiness, the show could have been pretty good. I don’t think it was necessarily a bad fit to make a Turtles show in a Power Rangers vein, ie. a light-hearted, live-action kid’s show. They could have done a better job with it though.

Wesley 12-07-2016 10:45 AM

No, I'd say TNM is better off left in the past.

Andrew NDB 12-07-2016 12:00 PM

I know this is a joke post, there isn't any reason to. TNM was never successful... so it wouldn't even be a study in, "How can we bring back a hit from 1997 for 2016 audiences?", it would be, "How can we take a series that failed immediately on launch in 1997, and bring it back in a way that doesn't in 2016?"

No one is going to throw any money at making that happen. No one.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 12-07-2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1644762)
I know this is a joke post, there isn't any reason to. TNM was never successful... so it wouldn't even be a study in, "How can we bring back a hit from 1997 for 2016 audiences?", it would be, "How can we take a series that failed immediately on launch in 1997, and bring it back in a way that doesn't in 2016?"

No one is going to throw any money at making that happen. No one.

We say this, and yet Michael Bay is rubbing his grimy sweaty hands together in maniacal glee...

DestronMirage22 12-07-2016 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1644769)
We say this, and yet Michael Bay is rubbing his grimy sweaty hands together in maniacal glee...

Oh man, just the thought of Bay making a Next Mutation movie has me feeling queasy. :sick:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 12-07-2016 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DestronMirage22 (Post 1644778)
Oh man, just the thought of Bay making a Next Mutation movie has me feeling queasy. :sick:

Shell cleavage everywhere.

neatoman 12-07-2016 01:54 PM

I have not watched the show beyond the first two episodes, were there any loose threads or some untapped potential that would justify a revival? I'm not talking about wheter or not the show was popular/good enough to "deserve it" (popular opinion seems to imply otherwise), just if there was anything of worth that can come out of a revival.

CyberCubed 12-07-2016 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1644786)
I have not watched the show beyond the first two episodes, were there any loose threads or some untapped potential that would justify a revival? I'm not talking about wheter or not the show was popular/good enough to "deserve it" (popular opinion seems to imply otherwise), just if there was anything of worth that can come out of a revival.

The show had no real ending, and the main villain Dragon Lord was never defeated.

Wesley 12-07-2016 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1644786)
I have not watched the show beyond the first two episodes, were there any loose threads or some untapped potential that would justify a revival? I'm not talking about wheter or not the show was popular/good enough to "deserve it" (popular opinion seems to imply otherwise), just if there was anything of worth that can come out of a revival.

I don't remember much about the show, to be honest, but I watched the first few eps for the first time in ages a few years ago. I don't think there were any good loose ends other than The Shredder making a brief return.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 12-07-2016 03:40 PM

The only thing Next Mutation deserves is a chance to have some of its characters and plots mined for revamping in IDW and Nick cartoon.

Venus, Dragon Lord, Vam Mi, Bonesteel, and Andre are all pretty great--or COULD be great, if written appropriately and for a specific purpose. Yes, even Venus.

IndigoErth 12-07-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav (Post 1644698)
How the heck is Next Mutation in the Power Rangers formula? Other than both being live action kids shows made by Saban they have nothing in common.

It's the same style and tone.

I never saw TNM when it was new, only watched it two or three years ago when it was available on demand via my cable. I had no idea who made it and I've never watched Power Rangers, my only familiarity with that one is through the commercials and yet with that alone I quickly picked up on it that TNM had to be made by the same people. So I would not agree they have nothing in common; it felt similar enough to be obvious who was behind it. They tried to give TMNT the same hokey style, sound effects, etc and it doesn't work for them.


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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1644769)
We say this, and yet Michael Bay is rubbing his grimy sweaty hands together in maniacal glee...

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Originally Posted by DestronMirage22 (Post 1644778)
Oh man, just the thought of Bay making a Next Mutation movie has me feeling queasy. :sick:

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1644784)
Shell cleavage everywhere.

Why did "Grab her by the cloaca" just run through my mind. *cringe* :ohwell:

sdp 12-07-2016 04:09 PM

A TNM thread full of misconceptions? yup. Well let's get started with the clean up.

About the Power Rangers debate, both sides are technically right, it has the style of the Saban Toku shows it adapted and yet it's also different enough to be considered its own thing. The style is obviously similar since it's the same production but other than that they did try to do their own thing.

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo (Post 1644626)

There are three main reasons why Saban has never tried this:
  1. The show wasn't successful to begin with.
  2. Saban doesn't so much as have the rights to make any new TMNT products (they have licensing rights for ONLY The Next Mutation).
  3. There is a very large general consensus that TNM was utter f*cking garbage and should never be mentioned ever again.

Those are not really true, the show was relatively successful just not a hit and it was expensive. Saban owns TNM show that's it like how Fred Wolf owns the OT. TNM is unfairly hated by most, does it deserve to? Maybe but it's hated by people who've never really seen more than a few clips and there're redeeming features of it.

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1644786)
I have not watched the show beyond the first two episodes, were there any loose threads or some untapped potential that would justify a revival? I'm not talking about wheter or not the show was popular/good enough to "deserve it" (popular opinion seems to imply otherwise), just if there was anything of worth that can come out of a revival.

It's a product of its time, it doesn't need a revival but its characters do deserve a second chance and a live action turtles show also deserves a second chance. A second season would've been great but back in 1998. There were a few lose ends like Shredder returning and Dragon Lord never being defeated and I believe the "good" dragon who went back to his home land to gather forces but he may have returned in another episode I can't remember.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1644788)
The show had no real ending, and the main villain Dragon Lord was never defeated.

There's like 3 episodes where he is defeated but the turtles just kind of leave him there, especially the last one could've easily been a finale.



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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1644807)
The only thing Next Mutation deserves is a chance to have some of its characters and plots mined for revamping in IDW and Nick cartoon.

Venus, Dragon Lord, Vam Mi, Bonesteel, and Andre are all pretty great--or COULD be great, if written appropriately and for a specific purpose. Yes, even Venus.

Exactly, couldn't agree more.

DestronMirage22 12-07-2016 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1644812)
Why did "Grab her by the cloaca" just run through my mind. *cringe* :ohwell:

That's gross dude. :dead:
But it did remind me of this funny skit:
Spoiler:

(Note:Has some adult themes, but nothing NSFW. Just warning you.)

pferreira 12-08-2016 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo (Post 1644626)
[*]The show wasn't successful to begin with.

Actually it did pretty well in ratings. The Next Mutation wasn't cancelled due to poor ratings from what I remember.

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Originally Posted by Sabacooza (Post 1644643)
Let's try leaving all the cheesy cartoonish stuff behind and have a more serious take for once. Everyone says the Daredevil Netflix series is great. Maybe take some cues from that?

Yes dark, edgy, totally serious, humourless, boring... :roll:

Sabacooza 12-08-2016 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pferreira (Post 164495)
Yes dark, edgy, totally serious, humourless, boring... :roll:

I'll tell you what's boring. Having Fred Wolf inspired **** shoved down our throats in just about every current incarnation now is boring.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 12-08-2016 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabacooza (Post 1644956)
I'll tell you what's boring. Having Fred Wolf inspired **** shoved down our throats in just about every current incarnation now is boring.

Shut up, fool. You don't know what you like!

NOW ENJOY THESE FRED WOLF REFERENCES LIKE A REAL TMNT FAN WOULD!!!!!!!

turtlefanforever 12-08-2016 10:04 AM

lame
 
y'all live some shallow unfulfilled lived. Keyword here is tried but you'll take any chance to harp on TNM and others cause it's the "cool" thing to do. Hope the acceptance of elderly men/women and prepubescent children on this board was worth it.

neatoman 12-08-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pferreira (Post 1644953)
Yes dark, edgy, totally serious, humourless, boring... :roll:

Daredevil does what it's meant to and does it well, it has been critically acclaimed for a reason.

I guess you'd like it better if the boom mic guy walked right through the set in every episode, or if the scripts were lifted wholesale from Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

Sabacooza 12-08-2016 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1644958)
Shut up, fool. You don't know what you like!

NOW ENJOY THESE FRED WOLF REFERENCES LIKE A REAL TMNT FAN WOULD!!!!!!!

:lol: You got it nailed down.

Candy Kappa 12-08-2016 10:56 AM

Everyone knows that Daredevil could have been Super duper MEGA Critically acclaimed if they only had added cartoony Sproing and Ding-dong sound effects.

While TNM had goo ratings and was canceled due to budget issues and not the quality of the content, the show was pretty bad with it's childish humor, dead-eyed costumes and poor acting. I've seen the show twice and a half, it's not something that needs or deserves to be revived. Season two didn't happen, no April, no Casey and no Shredder resolution, but I don't mind.


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