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NinjaPug 01-20-2017 06:50 PM
James Cameron working on a new Terminator movie
 
With Tim Miller set to direct.

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EXCLUSIVE: He’ll be back! James Cameron, who regains certain rights to his prized creation The Terminator in 2019, is godfathering a new iteration of the film that might finally get it right in drawing a close in the battle between humans and Skynet. Sources said that Cameron, whose copyright reversion happens 35 years after the release of the 1984 classic, is in early talks with Deadpool director and VFX wiz Tim Miller to direct a reboot and conclusion of one of cinema’s great science fiction tales. David Ellison, whose Skydance co-financed Terminator Genisys, is bankrolling an exploratory effort that includes engaging some top-flight science fiction authors to find the movie creatively. Ellison still holds many Terminator rights, after his 2013 acquisition from sister and Annapurna principal Megan Ellison. She bought them in 2011 at Cannes for $20 million.

This is the latest development in an ongoing saga. Indeed, The Terminator might have endured the craziest road of any billion dollar movie franchise, going back to when Cameron — who only had Piranha 2 under his belt as director — sold the rights to his scripted project for $1 to producer Gale Ann Hurd, with the stipulation he could not be fired as director. The result was a 1984 sci-fi classic, that launched his star and that of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Cameron came back and topped himself to write and direct he blockbuster Terminator 2: Judgment Day, but he washed his hands of the property after that. He mentioned to producers Mario Kassar and Andy Vajna his plans to buy the rights back from Carolco bankruptcy. They beat him to the punch, figuring he would still participate, but Cameron responded by walking away. He didn’t participate in the three films that followed, or the TV show The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The rights ended up with Pacificor, which paid $29.5 million, and Megan Ellison bought them after that company floundered. Cameron has had zero involvement since then, and has largely been silent. The exception was on the last picture, Terminator Genisys. Perhaps because his old buddy and True Lies star Schwarzenegger had returned as the title character, Cameron was generous in his assessment, reportedly saying that the Alan Taylor-directed film had reinvigorated and created a renaissance for the franchise.

Audiences disagreed and the franchise seemed out of gas when the $155 million grossed $440 million worldwide, but didn’t do nearly well enough in the U.S. Perhaps Cameron was foreshadowing his own future return to the franchise. Much the way that Sony used to rush Spider-Man movies to stay ahead of a rights reversion ticking clock, it was always known that Cameron would regain clout eventually. It didn’t seem that Skydance or Paramount had much interest continuing the creative track of the last film, but real creative involvement by Cameron, even if he doesn’t direct, changes the whole ballgame. One only has to look at Aliens, True Lies, Titanic or Avatar to see what he is capable of creatively when he puts his mind to something.

I don’t know anything more than I’ve disclosed here, including whether they reboot the whole thing or pick up from where Cameron left off after the second film. I’ve heard the hope is for Miller to direct whatever they come up with. Cameron is booked for four Avatar sequels, to shoot two at a time. No comment from any of the involved parties.
http://deadline.com/2017/01/terminat...ce-1201890848/

CyberCubed 01-20-2017 07:05 PM
Would be nice to have a good solid movie to end the franchise with, but my god this series has had so many "second chances" now its gotten ridiculous.

TigerClaw 01-20-2017 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1654466)
Would be nice to have a good solid movie to end the franchise with, but my god this series has had so many "second chances" now its gotten ridiculous.
I would like to see the next film take place completly in 2029, about John Connor and the resistance finally taking down Skynet.

Spike Spiegel 01-20-2017 09:35 PM
I'm still waiting on his "Battle Angel" adaptation.

Terminator 3 was underrated and the Sarah Connor Chronicles was the best thing to come out of the franchise since T2.

Wildcat 01-20-2017 10:22 PM
So they're totally ignoring Genisys? I've never fully understood if it was a sequel or it was intended to ignore the first 4 movies but I really enjoyed it.

I don't see why they'd do a reboot it if Cameron wants to do an ending though.

Bry 01-20-2017 10:27 PM
Forget Schwarzenegger.... bring back Linda Hamilton.

NinjaPug 01-21-2017 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel (Post 1654555)
I'm still waiting on his "Battle Angel" adaptation.

Terminator 3 was underrated and the Sarah Connor Chronicles was the best thing to come out of the franchise since T2.
Battle Angel is coming out July 2018. Unfortunately Cameron is only producing - Robert Rodriguez is directing,

sdp 01-21-2017 11:08 AM
So you have tons of different continuities..

T1-T2-T3
T1-T2-T:Sarah Conner Chronicles
T1-T2-T:Salvation
T1-T2-T:Genysis (or does Genysis remake T1/2?)
T1-T2-T:untitled cameron sequel?

That's pretty confusing, I remember trying to put T3 and SCC in continuity with each other since there's a few references to T3 in the SCC show and I guess Salvation can occur in everything since it's a prequel/sequel whatever way you want to look at it and I didn't even watch Genysis so I never understood if it was supposed to override the first two movies or just ignore the rest. I haven't seen any of the movies since I was a kid basically and 3 when I was a teen but I guess I should marathon them and one day make a convoluted single timeline full of retcons to make things fit. Which is fitting since T2 the sequel everyone accepts started with a retcon and changed how time travel worked in the first movie.
T1-T2-TGenysis-TSCC-TS
The sad thing is that everything after T2 finishes with a cliffhanger so no matter what this franchise never has a good end.

Isn't the Highlander franchise similarly confusing?

Andrew NDB 01-22-2017 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1654730)
So you have tons of different continuities..

T1-T2-T3
T1-T2-T:Sarah Conner Chronicles
T1-T2-T:Salvation
T1-T2-T:Genysis (or does Genysis remake T1/2?)
T1-T2-T:untitled cameron sequel?

That's pretty confusing, I remember trying to put T3 and SCC in continuity with each other since there's a few references to T3 in the SCC show and I guess Salvation can occur in everything since it's a prequel/sequel whatever way you want to look at it and I didn't even watch Genysis so I never understood if it was supposed to override the first two movies or just ignore the rest. I haven't seen any of the movies since I was a kid basically and 3 when I was a teen but I guess I should marathon them and one day make a convoluted single timeline full of retcons to make things fit. Which is fitting since T2 the sequel everyone accepts started with a retcon and changed how time travel worked in the first movie.
T1-T2-TGenysis-TSCC-TS
The sad thing is that everything after T2 finishes with a cliffhanger so no matter what this franchise never has a good end.
The way I interpreted it...

Original timeline:
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-800 to 1984, TechCOM sends Kyle Reese to 1984

Altered Timeline 1:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-1000 to 1995, TechCOM sends a T-800 to 1995

Altered Timeline 2:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - Judgement Day
2032 - SkyNET loses, sends T-X to 2004, TechCOM sends a T-850 to 2004

Altered Timeline 3:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - T-X is destroyed (but not before uploading information about the future into SkyNET), T-850 is destroyed. Judgement Day
2018 - A SkyNET post is destroyed (Salvation)
2029 - SkyNET loses (but now is armed with information from the T-X from 2004), sends T-800 to the 70s and a T-1000 to 1984, TechCOM sends a T-800 to the 70s

Altered Timeline 4:
197X - Sarah Connor's parents are killed by a T-800
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, T-1000 is destroyed, Kyle Reese lives, Sarah and Kyle time-travel to 2017
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - Judgement Day does not occur
XXXX - John Connor is made into a T-3000
2017 - The T-3000 is destroyed

And... that's kind of where we're at. It all works.


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Isn't the Highlander franchise similarly confusing?
Eh, slightly... H1 and H3 happened exactly the way they appeared, except you just have to mentally retcon that no Prize was won and they aren't the last Immortals in either movie. Then they work just fine with the series and H4. H5, take it or leave it (most leave it). H2 doesn't exist, nor should it.

TigerClaw 01-22-2017 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1655086)
The way I interpreted it...

Original timeline:
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-800 to 1984, TechCOM sends Kyle Reese to 1984

Altered Timeline 1:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-1000 to 1995, TechCOM sends a T-800 to 1995

Altered Timeline 2:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - Judgement Day
2032 - SkyNET loses, sends T-X to 2004, TechCOM sends a T-850 to 2004

Altered Timeline 3:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - T-X is destroyed (but not before uploading information about the future into SkyNET), T-850 is destroyed. Judgement Day
2018 - A SkyNET post is destroyed (Salvation)
2029 - SkyNET loses (but now is armed with information from the T-X from 2004), sends T-800 to the 70s and a T-1000 to 1984, TechCOM sends a T-800 to the 70s

Altered Timeline 4:
197X - Sarah Connor's parents are killed by a T-800
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, T-1000 is destroyed, Kyle Reese lives, Sarah and Kyle time-travel to 2017
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - Judgement Day does not occur
XXXX - John Connor is made into a T-3000
2017 - The T-3000 is destroyed

And... that's kind of where we're at. It all works.




Eh, slightly... H1 and H3 happened exactly the way they appeared, except you just have to mentally retcon that no Prize was won and they aren't the last Immortals in either movie. Then they work just fine with the series and H4. H5, take it or leave it (most leave it). H2 doesn't exist, nor should it.
Hopefully T6 takes place after Genisys, There was that mid credit scene that showed Skynet survived.

NinjaPug 01-22-2017 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1655088)
Hopefully T6 takes place after Genisys, There was that mid credit scene that showed that Skynet survived.
Cameron isn't making a sequel to Genisys (why did they spell it this way?) if this movie ever gets made. More than likely he ignores everything that was made after T2.

Shark_Blade 01-22-2017 06:28 PM
I only care about the first 2, the rest is garbage.

TigerClaw 01-22-2017 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NinjaPug (Post 1655089)
Cameron isn't making a sequel to Genisys (why did they spell it this way?) if this movie ever gets made. More than likely he ignores everything that was made after T2.
Cameron actually liked Genisys.

TheSkeletonMan939 01-22-2017 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NinjaPug (Post 1655089)
(why did they spell it this way?)
I guess to give the title a slick edge? You really can't use logic to deduce these things.

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1655092)
Cameron actually liked Genisys.
He liked the money he got for saying he liked it. It probably was at least a little interesting for him to see a different filmmaker remake his exact shots, though.

NinjaPug 01-22-2017 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1655092)
Cameron actually liked Genisys.
No he didn't. He said the same thing about T3 or TS before it came out only to later say he hated it but didn't want to hurt its box office.

Coola Yagami 01-22-2017 10:52 PM
I just saw the title and the first thing that came to mind was 'because of course he is'.

Andrew NDB 01-22-2017 11:52 PM
Probably, like Genisys did with T4, it won't directly continue anything from T4 or Genisys, but it won't openly contradict them either.

I would've loved to have seen an all-out Future War movie, with Arnold, Robert Patrick, Kristanna Loken all playing human TechCOM soldiers... a Dirty Dozen-style mission to stop SkyNET. They win, but SkyNET appropriates their likeness for Terminators.

chrisdude 01-23-2017 12:07 AM
Any of the first three movies would've been a fine place to stop. T3 may have been pointless, but at least he didn't begin a new arc. Honestly, I think they would've been better off never making a sequel. It's made less since every time. I'd rather he do a remake. There's nothing else in this universe I want to see.

CyberCubed 01-23-2017 12:38 AM
Hollywood really needs to stop making sequels and remakes to movies from nearly 30 years ago now. Let the 80's and 90's remain as they were.

Cure 01-23-2017 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1655135)
Let the 80's and 90's remain as they were.
They are remaining as they were, numbskull. No one is going back and altering things.

CyberCubed 01-23-2017 02:16 AM
But by making sequels years later they're continuing the continuity of older series, thus sometimes ruining the original endings. Terminator 2 being a great example.

Cure 01-23-2017 02:48 AM
Endings are still intact, as well.

ToTheNines 01-23-2017 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Cure (Post 1655139)
They are remaining as they were, numbskull. No one is going back and altering things.
Except George Lucas.

chrisdude 01-23-2017 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1655153)
But by making sequels years later they're continuing the continuity of older series, thus sometimes ruining the original endings. Terminator 2 being a great example.
Are you referring to Terminator 2 ruining the ending to The Terminator? Because it completely undermined the original film. You can revive a franchise and be successful. You just have to make a good movie.

ProactiveMan 01-23-2017 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NinjaPug (Post 1655094)
No he didn't. He said the same thing about T3 or TS before it came out only to later say he hated it but didn't want to hurt its box office.
He says a lot of things. I think he's on record as stating that AvP is the third best Alien movie.

Cure 01-23-2017 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ToTheNines (Post 1655164)
Except George Lucas.
Haha alright, you got me there.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 01-23-2017 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cure (Post 1655139)
They are remaining as they were, numbskull. No one is going back and altering things.
But that's the whole point of the Terminator franchise! :twink: :trazz:

And while we're at it, we really do need to save a pair of humpback whales.

Andrew NDB 01-23-2017 11:07 AM
The problem with "Salvation" and "Genisys" is that neither movie tried to be the best Terminator movie it could be... each one was an attempt to make 1/3 of a "New Terminator Trilogy." Each time that failed. Hopefully whatever T6 arises minds that.

TheSkeletonMan939 01-23-2017 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Cure (Post 1655139)
They are remaining as they were, numbskull. No one is going back and altering things.
Purists will tell you different! There's been a lot of controversy among Terminator fanatics about the sound effects of the first two films being changed over time.

Cure 01-23-2017 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939 (Post 1655213)
Purists will tell you different! There's been a lot of controversy among Terminator fanatics about the sound effects of the first two films being changed over time.
Huh. If you say the audio is different, I'll believe you of all people. But you know what I meeeeant.

TheSkeletonMan939 01-23-2017 05:39 PM
Yeah, there's a difference between changing a gunshot effect and making Greedo shoot first. :tlol: 99% of films though are generally the same as they were on opening day.

Spike Spiegel 01-23-2017 07:51 PM
AFAIK the only way to get the mono track for T1 is to have the old MGM DVDs or the very first blu ray edition from 2006. I got rid of mine when the remastered (2013) T1 blu ray was released and now I wish I still had it for archival purposes.

I wish they'd finally get the home video releases of T2 right. I've bought it three times:

One used double sided "Ultimate Edition" disc from 2003 with exhaustive special features, including the script, storyboards, promos, ad campaigns, and most (if not all) of the stuff from the laserdisc releases.

The 2009 Skynet Edition blu-ray with HD trailers, most of the special features of the 2003 Ultimate Edition (only accessible through interactive modules while you watch the movie), and a DNR'd image quality. Also it came out when BD-Live was hot, so it takes a long time to load. It had three versions of the movie (theatrical, special edition, extended special edition with alternate ending)

The 2015 cash-grab from when Genisys came out that has pristine (I'd say gorgeous!) image quality (no DNR), limited special features, and only two versions of the film.

If they released a blu-ray with the visuals of the 2015 disc and all the special features of the 2003 Ultimate DVD, but with HD trailers and supplements when available, I'd be happy.

Andrew NDB 03-22-2017 02:21 PM
http://www.foundation3d.com/uploads/...-25-978052.jpg

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77473

No word if this is connected to the news about James Cameron and Tim Miller:

http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/0...or-tim-miller/

CyberCubed 03-23-2017 02:04 AM
Maybe if they stop rehashing the same story for 4 movies about a Terminator coming back in time to the present, then the franchise can do something new.

They seriously did the same plot 4 times:

Terminator 1: Kyle Reese and the Terminator go to the present, the latter to kill Sarah Conner, but this was the first movie so it's all new.

Terminator 2: Arnold and the Liquid Terminator come back to the present and the plan is to to kill or save John Conner.

Terminator 3: Arnold and the female Terminator come back to the present to kill or save John Conner...again.

Terminator 5: Arnold and a new Terminator comes back to the present...for the fourth time. Arnold to protect the protagonists, for the third time. Sarah Conner in trouble...the third time.


Is there any reason they keep rehashing the same plot over and over again? I mean it's gotten old by now. How many times can they keep sending someone from the future to the present to kill either John or Sarah Conner? The TV series was about this too.

Really puts into perspective the Terminator franchise was meant to be a one and done concept, because there seems to be no way in expanding the unvierse or storyline beyond the same thing over and over again.

Andrew NDB 03-23-2017 02:50 AM
I think what I got out of the article was, "ALL OUT FUTURE WAR! WITH LASERS!"

At least, that's what I hope I got out of it.

Andrew NDB 05-22-2017 02:57 PM
More (of the same) news:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/arnold...rminator-movie

ProphetofGanja 05-22-2017 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1669836)
Maybe if they stop rehashing the same story for 4 movies about a Terminator coming back in time to the present, then the franchise can do something new.

They seriously did the same plot 4 times:

Terminator 1: Kyle Reese and the Terminator go to the present, the latter to kill Sarah Conner, but this was the first movie so it's all new.

Terminator 2: Arnold and the Liquid Terminator come back to the present and the plan is to to kill or save John Conner.

Terminator 3: Arnold and the female Terminator come back to the present to kill or save John Conner...again.

Terminator 5: Arnold and a new Terminator comes back to the present...for the fourth time. Arnold to protect the protagonists, for the third time. Sarah Conner in trouble...the third time.


Is there any reason they keep rehashing the same plot over and over again? I mean it's gotten old by now. How many times can they keep sending someone from the future to the present to kill either John or Sarah Conner? The TV series was about this too.

Really puts into perspective the Terminator franchise was meant to be a one and done concept, because there seems to be no way in expanding the unvierse or storyline beyond the same thing over and over again.
Yeah, this franchise has become a selfcest fan-wank, it seems

Andrew NDB 05-22-2017 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1669836)
Terminator 3: Arnold and the female Terminator come back to the present to kill or save John Conner...again.
False. The T-X was sent back to kill John's top generals before they became his generals. The T-850 was sent to protect and take orders from Kate Brewster.

plastroncafe 05-22-2017 04:21 PM
I'd rather they'd just continued with the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Andrew NDB 05-22-2017 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by plastroncafe (Post 1684272)
I'd rather they'd just continued with the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
I dunno... I watched all of it, but I can't say that I was wholly surprised to see it go or all that hurt by it. It was getting pretty contrived and it did things like change the Time Displacement Equipment conceived as this:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20111228050203

And made it into this:

https://www.nachi.org/forum/attachme...-nachi-pic.jpg

At least Genisys got that right.


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