Official Episode Discussion S5 Ep 03: Heart of Evil
 

Things are coming to a head as the Foot Clan strives to bring the Shredder back to life. With the Kurokabuto in the Foot Clan's possession, that leaves only Shredder's heart as the final key to Shredder's resurrection.

But who has the heart? And why? What is Kavaxas's ultimate goal in this?

However, it seems our heroes also have problems on their hands when Donnie is deciding to pull a Raph and settle a score with Vizioso? Will this out of character moment for the Turtle teams resident brainiac cost them their last chance with stopping the Shredder's return?

Great episode, hilarious too. Love the mob and the action and development for Donatello.

"We're going to party like it's 1995!"

Great episode, loved the fight scenes. Kavaxas killed again this time, The Hammer.

I thought it was strange and gross that Don Vizioso actually got Shredder's heart, did he get someone to go to Shredder's old hide out to look for his body and take his heart out of his dead body, yuck!!!!

It was shocking to see Donnie so angry, he could of killed Don Vizioso in cold blood but it does look like he did kill 2 henchman by breaking there necks. Good thing Donnie snapped out of his anger when Leo shouted out "Don't lose sight of who you are" and then he saw his reflection in the blade.

Mikey was awesome again, he lured Tiger Claw away pretending he had the seal but it turned out to be a pizza. Another amazing thing he did is that Mikey had to choose between getting killed by Tiger Claw or risk getting killed by jumping from train and he ended up jumped from the train and he landed badly, he was alive but injured. He was so brave.

Team Kick butt Babes :lol:

Mikey when he said that Leo going solo is stale :lol:

Makes you wonder what would have happened if Donnie had succeeded. I mean there would be a backlash to be sure

I didn't notice when I watched the DVD, but Vizioso let off a certain hand gesture that the censors missed right before firing his gun when Leo and Don busted in...

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I wonder what the 1995 is a reference too?

Can't you get cancer from eating a burnt mutant heart?

The year Bebop and Rocksteady vanished from the franchise for 20 years?

Maybe it's a reference to some popular gangster/mob movie from 1995 too?

If you guys liked this, wait until you see he finale to this story arc.

Think most of us have already seen it.

I find what Kavaxas said to April while she's trying to get that seal to work as nightmare fuel. Makes you wonder which of Mark Hamill's characters did the most chilling speeches.

Would be better if Vizioso and the Italian mob blames the alien attacks on the mutants.

The end scene reminded me of Tengu Shredder's resurrection.

The arc is very similar. In the 2k3 version they were also trying to reunite Shredder's helmet, gauntlet and body, and now in the Nick version they do almost the same thing.

Then again the whole reviving Shredder thing after he got his head chopped off is all a loose adaption of his revival in Mirage in the first place.

Ohhhhkay there, vengeful Donnie. o.O

Why do I feel like if Donnie lost his mind he'd gladly experiment on his enemies... lol :teek: Suppressed evil (but only to baddies) mad scientist lurking within that one. :tlol:


Apparently just hurrying up and eating the heart, preventing anyone else from getting it, did not cross Don Vizioso's mind. If that would presumably not lead to anything other than destroying it, heck it would have saved the Turtles some trouble as well... just force him to eat it, making sure he chews well, and be done with it. lol


And exactly how big are Tiger Claw's hand-paws?? The seal fits right in his palm fine, yet in April's hands it's almost the size of a damn pizza tray. Eesh.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Ninja Tribunal.

You don't notice any similarities at all with them trying to revive Shredder by reuniting his helmet with his body and all the villains fighting the Turtles over it?

It's a dated joke as people used to say "Party like it's 1999." Rocksteady was too stupid to remember it right.

It's from and old Prince song lol.

But 1995 seems very specific, We know that the show tends to throw in references to things, that usually hardcore fans would notice.

I don't think the reference is TMNT specific. It's pretty much all a botched Prince shoutout.

Agree, I doubt it references anything. Seems more in line with the fact that this Rocksteady just says things a little wrong sometimes. (Imo no so much because this version is dumb, but just that English isn't his first language so stuff gets lost in translation a little.)

The only reference it could be is by 1995 Bebop/Rocksteady never appeared again from that point up until Turtles Forever in 2009.

Bebop/Rocksteady's final episode in the original cartoon was Season 8's last episode in 1994.

Below average episode for me. Donnie's need for vengeance felt too weird to be taken seriously with how in previous episodes we seem him shot, battered, thrown, battered, disintegrated, getting defenestrated and battered, you would think being almost vivisected would't really bother him but apparently thats enough to make him the Punisher.

I don't see why Don's vengeance isn't justified, since this isn't just a random monster mutant or alien, but an actual human with racist actions against mutants. I don't see why it would be a below average episode, I'm not sure what you want from this show.

It's actually a miswording of the phrase "party like it's 1999"

So, why are these sentences the same barring some wording differences?

Donnie wanting vengeance seems out of character for him, I would understand if it were Raph, But Donnie? He isnt the type that would hold a grudge.

You guys are reeeeeally reaching. It's a popular 80's song. Rocksteady misquotes common American sayings and phrases pretty much every single episode he's in. It's his shtick.

But y'all can believe whatever you want. Even if you yourselves don't even know what he's "referencing" lol.

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I actually agree. Don's been in various situations where he and his brothers have nearly been killed before.

Tiger Claw holds him down and nearly stabs him with Raph's sai. Donnie hasn't held any grudge against him.

Karai has tried to kill April on a couple of occasions, as well as poisoned and tortured all four turtles, and while that has made things more personal he hasn't held a grudge against her.

The whole vengeance thing was meant to show Donnie descending down a path that would only destroy everything that matters to him. Which is why that moment when he catches sight of the manic look in his eyes in the blade of his Naginata he gets scared because he realizes he's essentially becoming like the Shredder.


The only explanation for the out of character behavior I could come up with was two possibilities.

1. a few of Za-noran's particles exist in Donnie and they are slowly corrupting him. But as none of the arcs feel they have room for something like that it feels less likely.

2. Splinter's loss is causing it. Donnie was one of the Turtles who took Splinter's loss rather hard. If you watch the scene Leo, Raph, and Mikey are openly weeping for Splinter, but Donnie makes a noise like the actual impact of the loss itself is causing him pain.

On top of losing his father his retromutagen failed, he's the first to be knocked out of the final fight with Shredder in a way he was denied his chance at vengeance. And now on top of a demonic dragon, they have to deal with the Shredder being returned. And he has this whole back up of rage and emotion to let out that he just finds Vizioso a worthy target.

As much as I loved the Leo/Donnie bonding I feel this episode should have had Raph be the one to help counter Donnie's anger. After all Raph was there when Donnie was abducted by Vizioso's goons, he was also was the reason behind it.

So it would have been an interesting twist for Raph to see what his brothers experience when he goes into one of his rages.

Yeah, this. It's like Ziva from NCIS. Her character did that all the time, and one can't be too stupid if they managed to learn a second language.

Pretty good episode, about the same quality as the last two. Some great stuff, some pretty bad stuff. From the way that final scene was written, I feel like Donnie actually was going to kill Vizioso only to regret it later. It just felt very ham-handed in comparison to the rest of the episode.

Kavaxas still as rad as always. Bebop and Rocksteady gave some legitimate laughs to this episode. And of course, it's a sequel to Mutant Gangland which is definitely not a bad thing. Unfortunately, it's one of those clumsy "Leo is always right" episodes, and from my opinion on Clash of the Mutanimals, you know how I feel about those.

Also, "We're taking the heart and you're going to jail!" I mean, I can't get over that line. That is meme-quality levels of bad right there.

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finaly!!!! Finaly!!! I rise again!!! Now with my demon army i will conquer new york city and kill the turtles!!!1!!

Exactly. I hate that. Leo just ****ing decapitated Shredder 3 episodes ago, and now he's all high and mighty over Vizioso.

Not to mention they've tried to kill Shredder multiple times before that, they've tried to kill snakeweed every time they fought him, Splinter killed Rat King, LH killed Bradford, the list goes on.

I suppose the difference is Shredder had to die because of what he did (he killed Splinter, was their mortal enemy for life), but Leonardo doesn't view other enemies the same way.

Shredder had become a danger to them and himself. Like Mikey was saying to Karai, he could come after her, April, Casey and his family, etc., since he was no longer in his right state of mind.

That aside, it may have been three eps ago, but months have gone by since then. Tigerclaw said as much.

Which team?

depends, i mean the original ghost busters kong, spencer, and tracy couldn't pull it off. neither could their kids jake and eddie. the real ghostbusters most likely could. and since my meme is from the second movie where the live action team had to take on vego and a slime covered museum in a slimed statue of liberty i think they could too. then again the extreme ghostbusters probably could pull it off. as for the new all female team i'm not sure just because i've yet to see the new movie. i'm not boycotting it i just haven't had a chance to. and lets not also forget the idw team. or would those count as an off shoot of the movie ghostbusters?

You know I gotta play Kavaxas advocate here and say that at least in this situation they had a non lethal alternative in getting rid of Vizioso.

I believe Donnie's behavior was more fear based rather then anger based. They had lost Splinter already that was a huge impact already. So knowing Vizioso had it out for them was what triggered Donnie into pulling a Raph, because he didn't want to lose anyone else he cared about to senseless violence and hatred.