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ZariusTwo 04-27-2017 02:11 AM

Dan Slott On His Short-Lived TMNT Adventures Run
 
During a conversation on the Spider-Man CBR forums. Current ASM and Silver Surfer Writer Dan Slott talked a bit about his three issue TMNT Adventures run which came to an end due to Archie losing the license.

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It was going to be the start of a new ongoing series, but *right* before issue #1 was heading off, Archie lost the license (I believe to Erik Larsen's group over at Image) and we had to change the ending of our 3rd issue to wrap up the story and "put all the toys back in the box".

From #4 on, Splinter was restored from a rat back into a man. Mikey had been turned back into a turtle, but returned to his mutated state-- but the act of that had drastically scrambled his memories and left him more child-like. Those were the 2 big status quo changes going forward... but both had to be undone (rather abruptly) to play fair with fans who'd want a clean ending before picking up the new Image book.

Still had tons of fun working with those characters. (And, you can see from the 1st cover, it was around the time when the Power Rangers had become a big hit in the U.S., so our first issue had the Turtles fighting a thinly veiled Power Ranger-like team.)
http://community.comicbookresources....eversed/page63

Powder 04-27-2017 03:51 AM

I quite liked those books & woulda loved more. For better or worse they were some of my earliest TMNT comics, so I've got a certain fondness for 'em.

DrSpengler 04-27-2017 06:56 AM

I enjoyed the heck out of Year of the Turtle, personally. It played a little loose with continuity to accommodate new readers, but it worked really well as a finale to the Archie series (even if it wasn't initially meant to be).

I actually rather wish Slott hadn't restored the status quo at the end (it's not like the Image series was part of that timeline, though perhaps he didn't know that). It would have felt like a stronger sendoff if Splinter had remained human permanently and Mikey would have had to gradually grow back up after being turned into a kid.

Still, it was a good mini with excellent art and an appropriately epic/goofy finale confrontation with the Shredder. One of the Archie gems you don't see pop up too often.

AquaParade 04-27-2017 11:56 AM

Nearly forgot about this story, but I loved it as a kid.

Blew my mind a couple years ago when I realized it was written by Dan Slott. He really impressed me with Superior Spider-Man.

Andrew NDB 04-27-2017 12:28 PM

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Archie lost the license (I believe to Erik Larsen's group over at Image)
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but both had to be undone (rather abruptly) to play fair with fans who'd want a clean ending before picking up the new Image book.
lol... that's... not what happened at all.

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Mikey had been turned back into a turtle, but returned to his mutated state-- but the act of that had drastically scrambled his memories and left him more child-like. Those were the 2 big status quo changes going forward... but both had to be undone (rather abruptly)
He wanted to literally in-story change Mikey into Ultra Dude Mikey? That's a horrible idea.

ZariusTwo 04-27-2017 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1679451)
Nearly forgot about this story, but I loved it as a kid.

Blew my mind a couple years ago when I realized it was written by Dan Slott. He really impressed me with Superior Spider-Man.

He wrote some of my favorite Ren and Stimpy comics...kind of feel dirty for enjoying them considering how much I think he sucks now.

I agree with that one CBR article that said Superior is a worse story than OMD too

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1679457)
lol... that's... not what happened at all.

Really? Dan caught in another lie? Perish the thought:roll:

Ninjinister 04-27-2017 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 1679497)
I agree with that one CBR article that said Superior is a worse story than OMD too

Absolute nonsense.

oldmanwinters 04-27-2017 04:08 PM

To be honest, I never considered the fact that the Year of the Turtle series ever planned to continue after issue #3. Now I really would like to know what the long-term story arc plans might have been.

TurtleWA 04-27-2017 08:24 PM

Weird timing for this thread considering the newest member currently says it's Dan Slott. I would like to read the three issues but can't find them. Except for one ebay seller with a dozen copies of #1. If anyone has a tip for buying issues 1-3 that would be great.

ZariusTwo 04-28-2017 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1679506)
Absolute nonsense.

As someone who's read the Spider-Man comics all my life and who abhors OMD...yeah, it really is worse.

But if you liked it, good for you.

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Originally Posted by TurtleWA (Post 1679546)
Weird timing for this thread considering the newest member currently says it's Dan Slott.



He's probably joined to contest Andrew's claim that he's misremebering details about Archie and Image.

If he's here...well, I'm sure we'll find a way to get on. Regardless of how I feel about his current work and attitudes to fans, he used to write stuff I enjoyed and he'll probably be very open to people who continue to enjoy him.

Andrew NDB 04-28-2017 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 1679579)
He's probably joined to contest Andrew's claim that he's misremebering details about Archie and Image.

That would be strange, though I'd love to see what he'd say. There's 0 chance there was any correlation between Archie and Image... I doubt Erik even had a clue there was an Archie book out there. Image (Vol. 3) happened because Mirage Volume 2 ended at Mirage and Mirage came to Erik to do a continuation. Whether the Archie book was thriving, barely treading water, or cancelled, that had absolutely no bearing on the Image book, or vice versa... that was always considered "The kids' book."

Weapons@theready 04-28-2017 10:13 AM

Superior is quality work, and is way better than OMD

ZariusTwo 04-28-2017 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Weapons@theready (Post 1679620)
Superior is quality work, and is way better than OMD

You been listening to Unci Herb?:D


AquaParade 04-28-2017 09:58 PM

Yeah, Superior Spider-Man was a blast to follow monthly and does a nice job pointing out what makes Peter Parker special to Dan.

OMD is 100% retcon disguised as a story.

This is coming from someone who think Dan should have been booted off Amazing Spider-Man years ago.

Also, as much as I love Dan's work on TMNT, I'm totally glad he left when he did. Assumig that it was to make room for Image comic's TMNT.

snake 04-28-2017 10:24 PM

lol, I hope that really is Dan Slott who joined.

ZariusTwo 04-29-2017 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1679745)
This is coming from someone who think Dan should have been booted off Amazing Spider-Man years ago.

Yeah, totally cool if you like Superior. I'm mainly just ribbing people here 'cause Dan and I fell out ages ago on other forums:P

AquaParade 04-29-2017 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 1679759)
Yeah, totally cool if you like Superior. I'm mainly just ribbing people here 'cause Dan and I fell out ages ago on other forums:P

Yeah, to each their own. I'm sure we'd agree on other Spidey stories.

Now, what I would like is for Dan to hop of Spider-Man and take charge of IDW TMNT.
Probably a big pay cut, but if it balances out with other work...

ZariusTwo 04-29-2017 09:55 AM

Yeah, I'd like him to move forward with his career, and he'd at least give TMNT a healthy kind of controversial spin. Hell you already see it with Andrew's reaction to man-child Mikey:D

MsMarvelDuckie 04-29-2017 02:23 PM

Idunno. With how I feel about Superior and much of his work on Spidey post-BND, I'd prefer he stayed far away from my TMNT. I have not been impressed with any of his stories. Might change my mind where RYV is concerned but have yet to read any of that. Until then I'm happy with TMNT's current writers.

ZariusTwo 04-29-2017 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie (Post 1679823)
Idunno. With how I feel about Superior and much of his work on Spidey post-BND, I'd prefer he stayed far away from my TMNT. I have not been impressed with any of his stories. Might change my mind where RYV is concerned but have yet to read any of that. Until then I'm happy with TMNT's current writers.

The current RYV series is better than the one Slott wrote.

snake 04-29-2017 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1679780)
Yeah, to each their own. I'm sure we'd agree on other Spidey stories.

Now, what I would like is for Dan to hop of Spider-Man and take charge of IDW TMNT.
Probably a big pay cut, but if it balances out with other work...

God damn, what is wrong with you?

Andrew NDB 04-29-2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1679745)
Also, as much as I love Dan's work on TMNT, I'm totally glad he left when he did. Assumig that it was to make room for Image comic's TMNT.

There is literally no way that can be true.

AquaParade 04-29-2017 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 1679824)
The current RYV series is better than the one Slott wrote.

Really enjoyed every enjoyed issue #5 and it's one of the few current marvel books I'm reading.

Odd choice to have the first three issues be the same story told from different perspectives, in such a crowded market place.

AquaParade 04-29-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by snake (Post 1679832)
God damn, what is wrong with you?

Look, I think the current team does a really great job but most of the stories they're telling just aren't grabbing me. Love the concepts but I find the scripting to be weak in comparison. Dan is fumbling on Spider-Man lately but he has shown in the past that he can tell fantastic stories.

Given a little more breathing room, which, despite how hands on Nickelodeon may be, tmnt probably still allows more of than Amazing Spider-Man, I think he could come up with some really fun and inventI've twists for tmnt. A fresh book would probably inspire him and he did good work on the archie series.

Andrew, I hear you. Would have helped if I read the whole thread before responding.

DestronMirage22 04-29-2017 09:52 PM

I kind of hope that new account is actually Dan Slott's, even with all the controversy surrounding his work. It's always nice getting to ask questions to people who've worked on past TMNT projects, he could provide some interesting and new information.

AquaParade 04-30-2017 10:34 AM

So, Dan confirmed on CBR that he did indeed join this forum but it won't let him post! Blast!

How can we fix this?

MikeandRaph87 04-30-2017 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1679938)
So, Dan confirmed on CBR that he did indeed join this forum but it won't let him post! Blast!

How can we fix this?

A moderator has to approve of all registered members, however I don't know if its something Krang or Shredder have to do or if a mini-moderator like Jester or Machias are able to do. Unfortunately it has been a few days between actual registration and aporoved to post. When approved of he needs the green lsttering to identify creator.

I had no idea that miniseries after Adventures abrupt end was written by Dan Slott and was meant to be an ongoing volume. Cool find of the week.

ZariusTwo 04-30-2017 11:22 AM

Thanks for the information Aqua.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Dan actually wanting to reply in a thread I created...it blows my mind too considering we haven't gotten on lately:P

If he gets approved, I'll probably shoot him a visitor message, last time I spoke to him directly was on my personal blog a year or so ago when he came over to call me deceitful and clarify that he didn't read any fanfiction I wrote (I had a theory that he had at one point...long story)

I'd love to patch up with him, even if we'll probably never really see eye to eye on how he handles Spider-Man, I do respect him for his accomplishments with the franchise and early work.

Anyhoo...if he's seeing this, welcome and behave yourself:P

myconius 04-30-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1679780)
Now, what I would like is for Dan to hop of Spider-Man and take charge of IDW TMNT.

i think Dan Slott is just fine where he is.....

...writing a comic series i dropped long ago.

Powder 04-30-2017 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1679938)
So, Dan confirmed on CBR that he did indeed join this forum but it won't let him post! Blast!

How can we fix this?

The forum runner Krang is the only one in power to enable his account privileges but as most know, they've been a ghost here for ages now. Between his scarcity & that he's had to be very careful about verifying newly registered users given the problem we've had with banned users coming back en masse, it could well be months until Krang gets to it.

Machias might be able to get Krang to do it in the relative now if anyone feels like contacting the staff.

Machias Banshee 04-30-2017 08:04 PM

Sorry guys, as much as I'd like to, Krang is still the only one in charge of approving new accounts. :(

Year of the Turtle initially broke my heart when I first read it (I think I was in middle school?), but the art style was very nice. It'd be great to have Don join our community...

TurtleWA 05-15-2017 09:09 PM

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Today I read the three issues for the first time. Found an avatar suggestion for when/if Dan starts posting.

Dan Slott 07-14-2017 02:13 PM

Hi.
Took me forever to get approved onto this site. :)

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1679457)
lol... that's... not what happened at all.

That's exactly what happened. It wasn't done under marching orders from Image. It was done more as a courtesy to readers of the Archie run.
We wanted to end on a clean slate continuity-wise and not have Turtles abruptly end at Archie with dangling plots points.

If Archie had not lost the license, the book would have continued on as a monthly with that same writing and art team. And I would have gotten to follow those story lines and subplots. That was the intent when I plotted the first issue, but by the time it came to script it, we knew that like-it-or-not, #3 would be the last, so we put out what would have been the first arc as a self-contained mini-series.

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo (Post 1679497)
Really? Dan caught in another lie? Perish the thought:roll:

Hi, David. I'd be very interested in hearing what my other lies have been. I think I've been straight forward and honest with my dealings with you online. I'm sorry I've written stories you haven't enjoyed.

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1679506)
Absolute nonsense.

Ha! Thanks. Everyone on the Superior Spider-Man team had a fun time working on the book. Thanks for sticking up for it. (Sounds really weird w/o the context of the previous post you were calling "absolute nonsense".) :-D

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Originally Posted by Weapons@theready (Post 1679620)
Superior is quality work...

Cheers, sir.

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1679745)
Yeah, Superior Spider-Man was a blast to follow monthly and does a nice job pointing out what makes Peter Parker special to Dan.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

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Originally Posted by TurtleWA (Post 1683037)
Today I read the three issues for the first time. Found an avatar suggestion for when/if Dan starts posting.

Ye Gods. I think I drew that... way back when at the dawn of time. :-P

Andrew NDB 07-14-2017 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Slott (Post 1697846)
That's exactly what happened. It wasn't done under marching orders from Image. It was done more as a courtesy to readers of the Archie run.
We wanted to end on a clean slate continuity-wise and not have Turtles abruptly end at Archie with dangling plots points.

If Archie had not lost the license, the book would have continued on as a monthly with that same writing and art team. And I would have gotten to follow those story lines and subplots. That was the intent when I plotted the first issue, but by the time it came to script it, we knew that like-it-or-not, #3 would be the last, so we put out what would have been the first arc as a self-contained mini-series.

I don't get it. What does any of that have to do with Image?

The Image series (TMNT Vol. 3), which was B&W, was a direct continuation from Mirage's Vol. 2, which was in color. Mirage Vol. 1 and 2 were being published simultaneously next to the Archie TMNT stuff for years. Why would Archie, at the end of many years of publishing their TMNT book side-by-side with the Mirage TMNT book, suddenly care about "the other book"?

Do you mean, Archie wanted the Archie book to kind of... salt the earth around it on the way out, so TMNT fans going to the store to buy Image TMNT #1 wouldn't accidentally think they're picking up the latest issue of the Archie stuff? Like that? I don't get the motivation.

Dan Slott 07-14-2017 02:46 PM

It wasn't so that there'd be a continuation point for Image.
It was so there would be an END point for Archie.
Archie lost the rights to do further Turtles stories.
I was told it would ALL go over to Image.
We were wrapping up so that there'd be a clean ending for Archie/Turtles fan without any dangling plot points or subplots.
That's all.

Andrew NDB 07-14-2017 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Slott (Post 1697862)
It wasn't so that there'd be a continuation point for Image.
It was so there would be an END point for Archie.
Archie lost the rights to do further Turtles stories.
I was told it would ALL go over to Image.
We were wrapping up so that there'd be a clean ending for Archie/Turtles fan without any dangling plot points or subplots.
That's all.

Oh, I see. But it wasn't that "ALL (would) go over to Image"... it just stopped going at all at Archie. Image was just carrying the baton handed to it from Mirage at the end of Vol. 2.

I'm glad that Archie got that modicum of an ending, as it was.

MikeandRaph87 07-14-2017 03:12 PM

It's Dan Freaking Slott!:o Sorry, about the registration issue. The site creator has nearly faded away.

I wondered as an elementary school student, why the cancellation of the final arc in TMNT Adventures and the different continuity of Year of The Turtle? It is interesting to note that the series was not a mini, but an ongoing.

What were intentions with the three henchmen Cyberius, T.K. O, and Psonic? Did you have origins for the characters or an idea as to why they were working for The Shredder? Did you have any plans for other characters ranging from Bebop and Rocksteady to Casey Jones, or other notable enemies and alliess?

Powder 07-14-2017 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1697875)
I'm glad that Archie got that modicum of an ending, as it was.

It didn't provide any closure, but it was a pretty nice sendoff in its own way. I like those "there's always another adventure" kinda endings, even if we already new their future was bleek anyway. YOTT was very solid.

CyberCubed 07-14-2017 04:29 PM

I love that it had some sort of final showdown with Shredder, that's where the closure came from. Before that Shredder's last appearance was getting washed away by a flood in the future with Armaggon/Rat King.

Dan Slott 07-14-2017 06:49 PM

Hi. Again, it wasn't meant to be closure for ALL of Archie/Turtles comics continuity.

The first issue was being drawn, the second issue was plotted, and the third issue had been planned.

The intention was for this to be the opening arc for a whole new Turtles monthly-- and there were going to be big status quo changes (like, for instance, Splinter turned back into a man). We were setting up new, original villains. And there was a lot more in the works.

But part way through, we found out that Archie lost the license. Issue three was going to wrap up our first arc, but there were going to be many massive changes that would keep playing out and lead to more stories, subplots, and ongoing drama. THAT all had to be wrapped up-- or it wouldn't be fair to the regular Archie/Turtles readers.

We didn't want to end with plot threads and subplots that would never be resolved. THAT'S the closure I'm talking about. For example, we let the reader know in Chapter 3 that Splinter was slowly reverting back to rat-form and would be returned to his regular status quo. Things like that.

If the book HAD remained a monthly, we wouldn't have tied that up right away.


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