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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 05-17-2017 06:45 AM

Why confusing children?
 
Why did the 1989 NES game have the Mirage turtles with all-red coloured bandanas? It's not like most children back in 1989 had any idea of it, so to most of them it was just a "mistake with four Raphaels".

mrmaczaps 05-17-2017 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1683275)
Why did the 1989 NES game have the Mirage turtles with all-red coloured bandanas? It's not like most children back in 1989 had any idea of it, so to most of them it was just a "mistake with four Raphaels".

Children aren't as oblivious as adults seem to think they are. They see all and know all, even if they don't yet understand.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 05-17-2017 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmaczaps (Post 1683278)
Children aren't as oblivious as adults seem to think they are. They see all and know all, even if they don't yet understand.

I had no idea of Mirage comics. It was before the Internet had gone mainstream.

Ninjinister 05-17-2017 07:08 AM

I deduced it myself. "Oh! That must be what they all looked like originally."

oldmanwinters 05-17-2017 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1683281)
I deduced it myself. "Oh! That must be what they all looked like originally."

It all made sense once I got a copy of The Official TMNT Treasury and saw the Mirage cover gallery. Plus, Raphael was my favorite turtle action figure primarily because of how well his red mask color scheme worked, so having them all red was perfectly fine with me!

I am glad Konami/Ultra resisted the urge to edit over Dooney's artwork.

DestronMirage22 05-17-2017 10:26 AM

They realized the epicness of that Dooney art. There's a reason why it's been used so much. :)

pferreira 05-18-2017 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1683275)
Why did the 1989 NES game have the Mirage turtles with all-red coloured bandanas? It's not like most children back in 1989 had any idea of it, so to most of them it was just a "mistake with four Raphaels".

Only the cover as far as I'm aware. In game they should all have different bandana colours.

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Originally Posted by DestronMirage22 (Post 1683315)
They realized the epicness of that Dooney art. There's a reason why it's been used so much. :)

It's such a terrific piece of art isn't it? :)

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 05-18-2017 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1683311)
It all made sense once I got a copy of The Official TMNT Treasury and saw the Mirage cover gallery. Plus, Raphael was my favorite turtle action figure primarily because of how well his red mask color scheme worked, so having them all red was perfectly fine with me!

I am glad Konami/Ultra resisted the urge to edit over Dooney's artwork.

I am pretty surprised they didn't recolor the masks. Seems like it would have been easy to do, and hard to avoid because marketing decisions.

I wonder what that would've looked like?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 05-18-2017 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pferreira (Post 1683504)
Only the cover as far as I'm aware. In game they should all have different bandana colours.

Yes, it's only the cover.

Logan 07-30-2017 04:59 PM

As a kid, I just assumed it was an image montage of Raphael training with all the weapons. Didn't give it much thought.

If I remember right, there is a palette glitch in the Shredder fight where your turtle's mask turns red regardless of who you are playing as.

Cryomancer 07-30-2017 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1683506)
I am pretty surprised they didn't recolor the masks. Seems like it would have been easy to do, and hard to avoid because marketing decisions.

I wonder what that would've looked like?

Welp, it felt dirty to mess with a classic, but here's a quick and dirty edit

http://i.imgur.com/Rd7M246.jpg


For the record, this (the original) piece rules a lot. But is also actually somewhat misleading, haha.

edit: well, a little misleading anyway. It's fairly accurate to the issue but thinking of what comes of it later makes it feel a little weird.

DestronMirage22 07-30-2017 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomancer (Post 1703098)
Welp, it felt dirty to mess with a classic, but here's a quick and dirty edit

http://i.imgur.com/Rd7M246.jpg


For the record, this piece rules a lot. But is also actually somewhat misleading, haha.

Doesn't look quite as good like that.

mrmaczaps 07-30-2017 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomancer (Post 1703098)
Welp, it felt dirty to mess with a classic, but here's a quick and dirty edit

http://i.imgur.com/Rd7M246.jpg


For the record, this piece rules a lot. But is also actually somewhat misleading, haha.

Nah man. You ruined it. Not the same vibe at all.

Powder 07-30-2017 08:31 PM

He did a favor to satisfy a member's curiosity. Ease up. His edits are clean.

& if it makes anyone feel better, I'm pretty sure a 'rainbow revision' just like that existed in poster form in the late 80's.

Cryomancer 07-30-2017 09:48 PM

I was saying the original piece rules. I don't really like the edit either.

oldmanwinters 07-30-2017 09:51 PM

Yeah, seems inevitably that Leonardo's blue mask blends too much with that blue background. Red masks all round is still the best way to go!

Shark_Blade 07-31-2017 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryomancer (Post 1703098)
Welp, it felt dirty to mess with a classic, but here's a quick and dirty edit

http://i.imgur.com/Rd7M246.jpg


For the record, this piece rules a lot. But is also actually somewhat misleading, haha.

edit: well, a little misleading anyway. It's fairly accurate to the issue but thinking of what comes of it later makes it feel a little weird.

I actually prefer this colored version than the bland all-red-bandanas version tbh. Great work.

pferreira 08-03-2017 09:51 AM

I don't mind either. It's the art that makes it look great.

Konchadunga 08-06-2017 02:47 AM

It's interesting to look back on how Mirage-esque a lot of the artwork for merchandise technically based on the Fred Wolf show was; even when they had multicolored bandanas. The game art, as well as the toy designs, featured the turtles putting on the beak-warped grins/glares :tmad:, rather than looking giddy and smiley :trazz:. Well, why not; those areas were where the Turtles were actually doing most of their proper fighting. It's kind of like a look at what might have been, had moral concerns not been as big of a deal during the time the Fred Wolf show itself had been made.

Rooish 08-09-2017 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Konchadunga (Post 1705171)
It's interesting to look back on how Mirage-esque a lot of the artwork for merchandise technically based on the Fred Wolf show was; even when they had multicolored bandanas. The game art, as well as the toy designs, featured the turtles putting on the beak-warped grins/glares :tmad:, rather than looking giddy and smiley :trazz:. Well, why not; those areas were where the Turtles were actually doing most of their proper fighting. It's kind of like a look at what might have been, had moral concerns not been as big of a deal during the time the Fred Wolf show itself had been made.

Yeah it's weird how the different looks were marketed at the same time. The toys had the "beak-warped grin/glare" too! I remember just taking it in stride as a kid.

Ninjinister 08-09-2017 10:01 PM

Yeah I never gave any of this a second thought as a lad.

funatic 08-10-2017 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1703116)
I'm pretty sure a 'rainbow revision' just like that existed in poster form in the late 80's.

I have that poster but it's the regular red... unless they made two versions?

http://i66.tinypic.com/8yrio2.jpg

I Crave Pizza No More 08-13-2017 12:21 PM

Pretty sure I had seen the Dark Horse minis and had one of the role playing books, as well as a calendar, and so knew that that's how they looked in the comics (which I hadn't read or paid much attention to).

ABrown 09-21-2017 01:15 PM

I think the 1989 Nintendo game had more in common with the original comics than it did the original cartoon, and the cover being one of the reasons why. I consider the first game to be the comics game, and TMNT II: The Arcade Game to be the cartoon game.

Andrew NDB 09-21-2017 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomancer (Post 1703098)
Welp, it felt dirty to mess with a classic, but here's a quick and dirty edit

http://i.imgur.com/Rd7M246.jpg

This should be a war crime.

plastroncafe 09-21-2017 01:38 PM

[IMG]
https://sep.yimg.com/ay/autographsforsale/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-cast-autographed-2013-comic-con-poster-sean-astin-greg-cipes-rob-paulsen-kevin-michael-richardson-mae-whitman-41.jpg[/IMG]

So like this?
(please hold for new image)

ABrown 09-21-2017 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe (Post 1716355)
https://sep.yimg.com/ay/autographsforsale/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-cast-autographed-2013-comic-con-poster-sean-astin-greg-cipes-rob-paulsen-kevin-michael-richardson-mae-whitman-41.jpg

So like this?

I'm just gonna pretend that I never saw that...

Candy Kappa 09-21-2017 01:46 PM

I think the Nick recreation of that artwork is wonderful, I like it a lot.

plastroncafe 09-21-2017 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown (Post 1716357)
I'm just gonna pretend that I never saw that...

This isn't the first in the series...



Quote:

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa (Post 1716359)
I think the Nick recreation of that artwork is wonderful, I like it a lot.

I liked it a lot too. The artists who drew the originals were...surprised when I showed it to them.

Ninjinister 09-22-2017 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ABrown (Post 1716357)
I'm just gonna pretend that I never saw that...

Why...? o.O

ProactiveMan 09-22-2017 04:45 AM

I don't know if I had read the Mirage stuff when that game came out - I don't think I had because I remember seeing that panel and having a moment of realisation. The thing is though, there was a lot of weird variation in merch at the time, so I wasn't confused by the red masks any more than I was by the different skin tones on the figures.

Cryomancer 09-22-2017 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1716353)
This should be a war crime.

Yeah like I said, felt bad doing it. But I enjoy doing terrible mask swaps now and then. I did an all reds and no pupils edit of the Ninja Rap tape at some point.

Candy Kappa 09-22-2017 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryomancer (Post 1716563)
I did an all reds and no pupils edit of the Ninja Rap tape at some point.

omg, pics or it didn't happen :lol: no, seriously do you still have the edits it would be hilarious to see that?

Cryomancer 09-22-2017 10:46 PM

Alright, have a bunch of real dumb TMNT edits i've done while we're at it then.

Red masks -> color masks https://imgur.com/a/VVcUN
color masks -> red masks https://imgur.com/a/AsG7J
various weird edits to next mutation stuff https://imgur.com/a/tW2M7
2007 TMNT with lightsabers https://imgur.com/a/w57lN
Some wallpapers made from TMNT manga https://imgur.com/a/UdtfV
colorized stuff from TMNT manga https://imgur.com/a/V9iWx

I suppose if someone wants something done lemme know and I'll take a look.

Bonus awful Krang thing: https://imgur.com/ThNxoC0

oldmanwinters 09-23-2017 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryomancer (Post 1716877)
Alright, have a bunch of real dumb TMNT edits i've done while we're at it then.

Red masks -> color masks https://imgur.com/a/VVcUN
color masks -> red masks https://imgur.com/a/AsG7J
various weird edits to next mutation stuff https://imgur.com/a/tW2M7
2007 TMNT with lightsabers https://imgur.com/a/w57lN
Some wallpapers made from TMNT manga https://imgur.com/a/UdtfV
colorized stuff from TMNT manga https://imgur.com/a/V9iWx

I suppose if someone wants something done lemme know and I'll take a look.

Bonus awful Krang thing: https://imgur.com/ThNxoC0

Love the manga color collection!

Konchadunga 09-27-2017 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ProactiveMan (Post 1716554)
I don't know if I had read the Mirage stuff when that game came out - I don't think I had because I remember seeing that panel and having a moment of realisation. The thing is though, there was a lot of weird variation in merch at the time, so I wasn't confused by the red masks any more than I was by the different skin tones on the figures.

I don't think I had an experience of either the Mirage series or the first video game's boxart back then. That being said, I always was bamboozled by how the video games featured the turtles fighting more like actual ninjas against villains that were competent, and the cartoons featured...a sitcom.

BH Daimaouji 10-01-2017 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1683275)
Why did the 1989 NES game have the Mirage turtles with all-red coloured bandanas? It's not like most children back in 1989 had any idea of it, so to most of them it was just a "mistake with four Raphaels".

That's only in the PAL/USA versions

If you live in Poland/Russia/China and had and knew the japanese who would be shocked as to why:

-There's no Krang
-Why is April Splinter's dauther
-Why the TMNT theme isn't played

The reason the other is becuase...the show was beggining to air in japan, so Konami mixed the comic (hence why Turtles having no pupils) and cartoon (Splinter being human, Rocksteady, Bebop, Footclan, Technodrome) into one, and a japanese feel to it

Powder 10-01-2017 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BH Daimaouji (Post 1719163)
Konami mixed the comic (hence why Turtles having no pupils) and cartoon (Splinter being human, Rocksteady, Bebop, Footclan, Technodrome) into one, and a japanese feel to it

Not accurate at all.

Prowler 10-01-2017 04:13 PM

I was like 5-6 years old when I first played that game? I had noticed indeed that the Turtles all had red bandanas like Raphael did in the FW cartoon... but I didn't really care. I was, you know, busy playing the game. Well, ore mile trying to play the game since it was hard as hell and I kept dying.

Of all the things wrong with that game, its cover certainly isn't one of them.

sdp 05-02-2019 10:41 AM

As a kid I just thought it was an artistic choice and that because it was dark and they were getting that bright light shone on them which caused all the bandannas to look red. I also thought the thing shining the light was the Technodrome or Turtle Blimp.


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