Official Episode Discussion S5 Ep 09: Kagayake! Kintaro
 

The 3rd and final part of the Usagi arc

It's now up on ITunes, so discuss away

My favourite episode of third Arc by far. Loved the entire action.
Leo throws his Katana to Jei's Chest. Once more they dont censure those parts :lol:
But Jei dies falling from the bridge thanks to Usagi. And you can know he is really dead because animators did draw a skull of a dead wolf.
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Given all the talk of his immortality and his abilities in the books, I doubt he's really "dead" - even with the skull (I can't remember if they ever did that for Jei in the books). However, he might as well be, as he's obviously never showing up again.

Now THAT, was worthy of following the first part of this arc. Masterfully done, damn. Can't believe they had the Neko Clan, in white & meowing, no less! :tlol:

"When you understand others, their strength can become yours."

This is such a great line.

Great episode.

Loved the final fight and I like how everything went red so they could get away with things that should of been censored.

Jei ain't dead because he's immortal so he will just possess someone else body but I expect they have to be near him for him to do that.

I had a feeling that we don't see the turtles arrive home as we didn't see them leave.

As Usagi has the trinkets he can probably summon the Turtles again but as this is the last season, we won't see it. But fanfic writers probably can come up with an ideas.

Due to production order this is the final episode before the future arc so it's kind of sad that this is technically the last time we see the turtles as teenagers.

Probably in the first episode of the last arc, right at the beginning and before the temporary jump, we could see a scene of them as teenagers

That moment when they were fighting those Ninja cats and one of them nearly cuts Mikey's arm off and we see him with out no arm (but he had it in his shell). I wonder if that's foreshadowing that Mikey isn't going to have no arm in the final.

Yeah maybe

Such an awesome episode! My favourite out of all them this arc. If only they did something more in the second episode then this arc would be perfect.

And for the people who say theres no character development since season 2, watch this episode. Kintaro turned from an annoying brat into such an awesome dude. I just wish Leo and Usagi connected on a higher level.

I'm really surprised that they got away with Leo throwing his Katan into Jei's chest and you see it sticking out of his back and it was left like it for a couple of minutes while he was fighting Usagi.

I don't think the British Censors will like that. If they wouldn't show April putting the knife in Ho Chan chest in Chinatown Ghost Story I doubt they will show this. Find out on Friday when it's aired.

Dude everyone has the season 5 in their respective countries, and in mine they have not even premiered it :ohwell:

Maybe it's because they want to air it in production order.

It depends what they can get away with for the certificate too, it's usually PG but I noticed that the season 2 DVD set is a cert 12 (not sure of US rating).
Looking forward to catching up on the new eps this week.

Yeah it's a 12 on 1 disc (the other 3 are PG), don't know which disc it is though.

12 and 12A for UK is PG13 for USA

This was leagues better than the second part, and about on par with the first one.

I really like how Kintaro unlocked his power, and how Leo had a bit of a hand in doing so by trying to have a real conversation with him. While it was an interesting twist that Kintaro had to give up selfishness to become the powerful being he had the potential to be, my favorite twist was that Jei never even let go of his control of the Turtles to begin with. It caught me completely off guard, but it made a lot of sense.

The dialogue was nothing great, but it was damn better than last week's train-explosion in this department. The action was excellent. I'm pretty sure this ep had more storyboarders credited at the beginning than the average episode, and it shows. The lighting, the shots, the pans, it all felt very cinematic especially at the climax. Usagi vs. Jei was easily my favorite part of the entire episode due to these factors as well as the fluid animation.

I really appreciated that the Turtles actually did something in this arc. They could have easily written it as a Usagi arc feat. the Turtles, but they give Jei the upper hand and, as previously mentioned, Leo is very instrumental to Kintaro unlocking his true power. The humor was nice here, no Season 1 by any means, but Mikey's spit coming back and hitting Raph did get a good laugh out of me as did most of the other jokes.

Overall, I'm really glad this show still had enough steam in it by this point to produce this ep and Yojimbo. Hopefully this can translate to future episodes of similar quality. But for now, I've got two episodes to gleefully rewatch.

love how wicked sweet this ep is!!! also dont think anyone else caught it yet but think its awesome how they got away w/ showing blood (or at least might be blood) during the red sky section, look closely at the spear tip



Aside from that, like how over the course of this arc, jei kept his control on them suppressed until the right moment, pretty sure thats why their heads hurt so much - it was a side effect of jeis influence on what he wanted

just caught something else that i think is weird.... in this second image, it looks like a tiny portion of jeis spirit is in or covering leos sword... and with how usagis eyes appear to slightly be glowing, anyone else think that jei MIGHT be in usagi?

I would think that part of Jei's soul is now in Leo's katana (like a Horcrux) :lol:

Maybe...
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Sumo Kuma being the high priest brainwashed by Jei. I did not see that coming.

I knew that Jei referring the Turtles as his puppets will come back to haunt us.

Red cloud appearing, perfect set up for a showdown.

To be honest, I kinda wish to see Sumo Kuma have a surprised reaction to seeing Usagi and the Turtles alive.

I almost thought that there would be an avalanche in the snow mountain segment.

I wonder what would happen if Gennedy Tartakovsky was involved as a guest writer for this arc.

I wonder if The red sky was a reference to the 80s turtles red sky seasons.

A red sky just implies dusk or dawn, it would be a stretch to call it a reference.

Thought this episode was alright, while there was some good stuff here and there, nothing in this episode really wowed me compared to Yojimbo. I thought Kintaro's development was a bit jarring and tacked on especially since we had 3 episodes of him acting like a spoiled brat. As for the crossover itself I'm kinda disappointed with it, my favorite part about the Usagi/TMNT crossovers is how Leo and Usagi interact and how the play off with one another but we rarely get to see them interact. So while I did enjoy "Yojimbo" the rest of the arc leaves a lot to be desired

Loved it, really impressed by the dialogue here too. Much better than last weeks, and the action sequences were superb. The fight on the snowy mountain with the Neko Ninja Clan, and the entire climax with Jei and the bear. Jei Vs. the Turtles and then Jei Vs. Usagi under the red sky was fantastic.

I only wish this could have been a 4 parter with one more ep in the middle of the arc, if only to see more Usagi. It's a bit bittersweet we didn't get him until the end of the show, if only because we won't get to see him again in this continuity.

I agree, Kintaro had absolutely no development for the first two episodes, and thus the writers had to speed it up for this one making it go right by with no sense of passing time. One of my few problems with this one.

Well there were signs Kintaro didn't really mean what he was saying, it was the typical underage brat character who is nasty to everyone but in reality knows what everyone is saying is right. The camera focused on Kintaro lots of times in scenes showing him acknowledging his true feelings, etc.

Absolutely loved this episode, just as much as Yojimbo. I had a few problems with the 2nd episode but this one I think improved upon everything from Osoroshi Na Tabi.

The fight scenes were great, especially towards the end of the episode.

Kintaro was funny and cute as usual, and I liked him achieving his true power at the end of the episode.

But most of all, I loved the art style throughout the episode, and the pure red sky sequence at the end was absolutely beautiful.

10/10, no complaints.

An awesome finale to an awesome story arc.

Usagi really needs his own cartoon. It's mind blowing in 30 years its never happened.

Not really, I fear what would happen if Stan completely let someone else handle his characters unrestricted.

I'm just saying we should've seen a middle ground between blue blooded snot to high fiveing Mikey.

Yeah, we were talking about this at the comic book store the other day. One of the guys said Sakai should make a show, but I pointed out that he's always worked at his own pace and would never want to be a full time show runner working untold hours a week out of a studio in Burbank.

Then we imagined how many ways the wrong hands could bastardized Usagi. I'm sure we barely scratched the surface.

I think if they got show runners who understood Usagi and worked closely with Stan it could work.

I thought it was a great final for the Usagi arc, Kintaro started off as a bratty kid, but in the end he turned out alright, and Usagi was fantastic.

Really enjoyed the Usagi arc so I went to my Library and found this

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Cool. I encourage you to stick with it. It doesn't get really good until like book 6 or so of the Fantagraphics collections.

I have all 31 books of Usagi, plus Yokai, Senso and Space Usagi except Books 22-23 which are rare and out of print, and I don't want to buy a used copy.

I can't believe Usagi has been going on 30 years with Stan Sakai himself drawing and writing every single issue. This is something manga artists in Japan do, but it's unheard of for an American comic book. Even Peter/Kevin stopped drawing/writing Mirage themselves very early on...like at issue 16.

sometimes if you don't know for sure, its better to shut up and say nothing....

usagi book 1 which is pictured there has a few very prescious moments in usagi's tale (mariko, frst encounter with gen, tomoe and lord noriykui, the neko ninja, etc).
overall it collects the first few published stories of usagi that appeared in albedo and critters.
book 2 already collects the start if usagi's own series and is incredible!it's the samurai story arch, which recounts how usagi came to be in is position as a ronin.book 3 delivers the first meeting with jei for example and book 4 has the long story the dragon bellow conspiracy in it.

what I want to say with this is simply this:
there is no not-good usagi tpb out there.
so, don't tell someone new to usagi that the good stuff only starts somewhere later.I hate this, because it not only neglects some wonderful comics, but you're ******** on the guy who found this beat up copy of usagi book 1 at the library and wanted to share this with us..what's wrong with you, man?

My Library is weird they had book one than all the other Usagi ones where vol 16 and up. They are missing books 2-14

Don't be a bitch, Marcel. I'm a big Usagi fan too. I've just known several people that have had trouble getting into it when starting from the beginning and I always encourage them to at least make it to "Circles".

Take your own advice. He's entitled to an opinion. The early material is rough by comparison, that's a fact, even if it's still good.