Official Discussion Topic: S5 E10 - Lone Rat and Cubs
 

Watching it now... actually surprised nobody's made a topic yet lol

Man, the way Splinter attacked that Kraang sentry was badass.

Sorry I woke up late :P

Man Splinter's just a boss altogether in this!

And you'd think Raph would be much more phased by how his shell was broken. Even a tough baby like him should have reacted more.

But yeah, no big secrets or reveals like some people were assuming. Just... a bunch of really strong scenes of Splinter bonding with the Turtles and being a badass.

I could not tell: Which turtle activated the water outlet when everyone was at the bottom of the water?
Was it Donnie? Sometimes I can not recognize them :lol:

Oh my god!!!! that was a awesome episode, the baby turtles were adorable.

Yeah it's Donnie, he has a different shaped head

Thanks Vicky :) man Donnie was really smart

I wonder if when Splinter said: "The weapons chose you", it's because all those times we saw the babies involved with their weapons (Like Mikey sucking The Nunchaku; Raph and Leo giving to Splinter a Sai and a Katana. Although I didn't see baby Donnie with a stick during the episode).

A fantastic episode. Not much else I can say, thoroughly pleased. :)

When we first saw the Baby Turtles and Splinter gave them food, he gave Donnie a stick (of food). I guess Splinter didn't have a Bo Staff at the time.

You can see a bo staff in the shopping cart all the time, but Donnie didn't do anything with that I think

I didn't notice that. Maybe something was cut out for timing or the fact that baby Donnie doing smart things was more important.

Yeah it must be. But it was cool to see the other babies involved with their weapons. And I was really worried when the wheel of the shopping cart crushed Raph, but you can see how hard is the shell when he was even happy after that :lol::lol:

It was pretty scary seeing him fall down the steps and get hit by the trolley as he's a only a baby but it didn't phase him at all. He was born to be tough.

Love this episode. This episode proves to me that Hoon Lee is the best iteration of Splinter in my opinion.

Also the Kraang yelling Exterminate was very dalek like. My one issue is they had Splinter and the turtles living in the subway hideout in this episode when they were young. Could have sworn they had a different home in Season 1.

Ugh!!!! some people on tumblr are idiots.

They are complaining that Mikey wasn't taken seriously and wasn't given a serious reason on why he got the nun chucks. Hello it's a flashback episode, so they had to keep up the continuity with season 1.

Let it go Vicky :ohwell: The best thing is to ignore if you don't like to read it. To be honest I understand them.

Good episode, liked that Splinter couldn't think of a fitting reason to give Mikey his weapons.

Every time the Baby Turtles appeared on my TV screen I just couldn't stop smiling. They were just the cutest things. I think this was probably one of the best origin stories that I've seen in a superhero cartoon. There's no doubt that Splinter was an outstanding father figure and seeing him be so protective and loving in this episode makes me miss him even more than I did before.

Pretty good episode, even if the framing device of Splinter telling a story creates a contradiction with the first two episodes.

Liked the little nod there of having the Turtles mimic Splinter as a subsitute of Splinter mimicking Yoshi.

I guess Splinter's reasons for giving Donnie the Bo Staff is a good explanation to Leo yelling "Donnie, don't lose sight of who you are!" Back in "Heart of Evil"

I admit the weapons origin wasn't what I expected, but I do like how it was done. Particularly with Donnie graciously accepting his bo staff, but still saying "Oh man, it's just a stick." in disappointment. While we don't see Donnie using or interacting with the staff like we see the others do with their weapons, we do see Splinter use a broom stick as a bo staff and Splinter does call Donatello "Smart one" after he plugs in that lamp but has no pet names for the others.

Originally in one of the first fics I did of this series I had described the weapons origin as Donnie being brought out of the Dojo feeling disappointed that the only weapon to choose him was a giant stick. Raph sees it and immediately starts teasing his brother about how he got the most useless weapon ever. Splinter then demonstrates what the Bo Staff was capable of, which impresses Leo, Raph, and Mikey. But Raph still points out that Donnie isn't the most effective fighter which causes Donatello to go running in the direction of the dorms in tears.

A year or so ago a person on FF.Net emailed me about that scene and said they had come up with part of a fic expanding on that moment and they wanted to see what I would do with it. So I looked it over and I came up with how I believed the Weapons Origin could have gone. In that fic I wrote that the Turtles were about 10 years old when they received their weapons. Splinter summons each Turtle one at a time into the Dojo starting with Leo, Raph, and Mikey. Their weapons are found almost instantaneously because they knew which ones called them. Donnie on the other hand was wanting a cool weapon because his brothers often tease him about being a weaker fighter, so he was wanting something to show he was just as capable as everyone else. When he's called into the Dojo, much like April's weapon search he tries several weapons and doesn't find one that wants him. After a bit, Splinter then says "Perhaps you are looking at the wrong sort of weapons, my son." Before picking up the Bo Staff and suggesting that he try it out. Donnie tries it out with some reluctance, and when he sees it's responding to him he tries to figure think of ways to prove it wasn't such as messing up on purpose. But ultimately accepts that this is the one that felt was meant to be his.

very cool episode.


it was pretty Awesome seeing Kevin Eastman on the writing credits.

It's about time we learn how Raph got that crack on his shell.

Without the multi colored masks, it's hard to tell which baby Turtle is which.

It appears that some of the Kraang's technology doesn't work well underground.

Agreed. I also have felt since episode 1 that he gives the strongest performance in the series.

glad to hear that. I even tweeted that I thought his splinter was the best out of all the other splinters to him a few months back and he said it was very much appreciated.

Man, with listening to a clip of the younger Turtles, it does feel weird with Seth Green being there instead of Jason Briggs. I know the vocal change was explained in season 3, but for young Leo, it feels weird to me despite being used to his voice now.

Reviewing this soon.

They can't really ditch Green and ask Biggs back for the episode though.

At first it was confusing but the way I figured it out, got easy for me.

Mikey and Donnie are both light green, Mikey has the freckles and Donnie has a different shaped head.

Leo and Raph was a bit harder, they are darker but Raph is more darker than Leo and he has the evil face look sometimes. Then Raph had the chip in the plastron and it got more easy to tell them apart.

This is the only bit that I couldn't tell them apart

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Last year Dominic (2nd Leo voice) did tweet he was voicing Leo again, so I though it was for this episode but it was Seth Green that voiced Leo.

I get that.

I know that in Darkest Plight, they redubbed some of Jason's lines with Seth. That I can understand from a story perspective. This time though, it feels... off. Young Leo feels like he's hit puberty too soon. :lol:

However, for this episode, it feels more noticeable. Obviously bringing in Jason here would be possible confusion for younger fans, but for here when the Turtles are children, it's especially weird at least to me.

That's something I don't get. Dominic Catrambone was getting better as Leo after filling in. He's not my favorite Leo (that would be Brian Tochi), but if he continued, I still feel his voice could've justified being deepened with the voice box damage.

I got nothing against Seth Green at all. I've gotten used to him, but for this episode, he feels a bit out of place with sounding younger. Not to the same extent as the 2k3 Turtles team, but a bit jarring for my tastes.

Man, Nick's Splinter really is one of the best incarnations of Splinter ever. I'm really going to miss this Splinter the most when this show ends, (and technically I miss him now because he's dead and this is probably his last episode).

Really great episode, feels like it was a Season 1 episode. In fact this probably should have been a Season 1 episode...instead of being made now at literally the end of the show. :lol: I guess better late than never.

I'm glad we finally know how the Turtles got their names and weapons, something not revealed before in this series. I almost kind of wish they made a sequel episode featuring the Turtle toddlers with their weapons, but oh well, the show is over. Great ep.

I didn't notice as much difference with Dominic where as Green was very different (also sounds less like a teen), but I like him as Leo.

Biggs will always be the American pie guy to me :)

My speculation from right to left...Mikey would be the one that Splinter tucks in since we hear Greg Cipes make the yawning noise and Mikey is also the most affectionate of the turtles so having him cuddle against the Turtle next to him is something Mikey would have done.

Raph is the one loudly snoring, because his complexion is darker then Mikey's. And loud is one of the words is used to describe Raph.

The other two are harder to tell apart. All we know is one is showing some discomfort when he's being pushed into his to his other sleeping brother. And the other one is just sleeping peacefully with his mouth hanging open.

I at first thought the one with his mouth hanging open was Donnie since at first glance the head is a similar shape. But he has a darker complexion compared to the one showing discomfort.

But on closer look, Donnie is the one showing discomfort at being sort of pressed into Leo, and Leo is the one just peacefully sleeping with his mouth open.

Such a good episode! I totally teared up when Splinter had the vision of Shen and Miwa, afraid he didn't deserve a second chance to be a father. Also when he gave Leo the sword, since that's what he flashed back to when Splinter died.

Pretty egregious of Nickelodeon to not air this one on Father's Day like they originally planned. But probably for the best, since I would have been ugly crying lol.

Agreed!

That's my one nitpick too. I figured they'd use Catrambone, but I guess he's just doing an additional voice in another episode.

I don't see what's so funny, but you're totally wrong. First of all, the episode is especially poignant because Splinter is dead. Secondly, the Shen/Miwa vision wouldn't have been as effective coming before "Tale of the Yokai".

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Thanks :D

It's so cute seeing Mikey cuddle up to Raph. I love there moments together.

Also when toddler Don was talking, he sounded just like the kid version of Raphael in the two original cartoon episodes. Not a surprise since Rob Paulsen used the same type of high-pitched light voice.

Splinter
 

Great to have a Splinter-focused episode.

I loved this episode to death. The baby Turtles were so cute and I think the voice actors did a great job sounding younger and pulled it off too. I always felt like the 2k3 actors were sort of forced when trying to sound younger, but the Nick cast nailed it for me. I loved how the Turtles each handled their weapons as a baby and the origin of Raph's crack in his shell. The flashback to Yoshi as his human self and of Shen and Miwa was also a nice touch to how Splinter doubts himself as a father. Loved how they got their home and their weapons at the end. Definitely one of my favorite episodes of the season and a great last appearance for Splinter.

Alright, I have to eat crow about what I've been saying about the baby turtles, that they are creepy looking. They were actually pretty darn adorable in the episode!

Did any one else watch "Rise of the Turtles" right after watching this? :tsmile:

Man, I don't know where to start. This episode was PERFECT. It made my day, until the new tmnt summer short came in and ruined it.

It was the perfect send off to Master Splinter and wraps up his entire story from the very 1st episode flawlessly.

The baby turtles were very cute and the story was fascinating.

I think having Splinter stay in a Water tower and then an abandoned house before moving into the sewers was a genius idea, especially considering that he was a human not too long ago and no human would think first of living in the sewers.

What really made it work was seeing the bond between Splinter and the turtles develop and flow very naturally, you do feel that they are a family.

10/10, I would put this in my top 5 favourite episodes of this show.

And by the way, I can't believe we're already half way through the season. If this was the final episode, I would've been satisfied but seeing as how much I liked the first half of season 5, I have VERY high hopes for the second half.

The water tower is also from City at War in Mirage, (and also the 4kids version of it), where the Turtles stayed for a while when they were hiding from the Foot, it's nice to see another Mirage reference there.